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My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.

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ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 11:44

I’ve namechanged for this but I’ve been around a long time.

Last night DH and I went out for dinner. I’m 6 months pregnant. It was a lovely local Italian place and he ordered a Peroni, I ordered a glass of Prosecco. It was fairly late because he’d watched the first half of the football in the pub after work first, and I’d joined him later, so he’d already had a fair few pints beforehand.

For context, I have been having the odd (125ml) glass of wine or champagne or Prosecco approx once a week (occasionally twice, but I wouldn’t have two drinks on the same night) since I was 16 weeks or so. I felt too ropey before that to contemplate it. Always have the drink with food, always sip very slowly. I was big into wine before I got pregnant and after doing a lot of research (I do have the Emily Oster book but I read lots more research and have come to the conclusion that it’s a negligible ‘risk’ on such a small scale and felt comfortable with my decision. We are talking 1.5 units here.

DH was a bit quiet after I ordered the Prosecco. We had a nice meal and walked home, he then made himself a gin and tonic, and I had a fake version with an M&S seedlip rip off. I asked him if he was ok and why he’d been a bit off. He then said he had ‘come to terms’ with me having the odd drink at home but he’d felt really uncomfortable with me ordering anything alcoholic out in public, because I was visibly pregnant, and he was really worried about what other people in the restaurant were thinking.

I didn’t notice any judgement, and never have, but frankly I wouldn’t care if there was. He also reminded me of the time we had some family round and I had a glass of champagne, and said he’d felt unhappy about it then too.

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time) and he thinks a big reason I do it is to ‘challenge’ the patriarchy and to go against the rules, not because I truly fancy a glass of wine. This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought. We don’t really actually know many other friends that have gone through pregnancy either, but he maintains they would have cut out all alcohol. Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge. Which I would absolutely never do. I know what a unit is.

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.

He is now saying that the drinking is not something he’s comfortable with anymore and just because I have a book that says it’s fine I just have no way to know if we’ve put our unborn son at risk or not, and if he was pregnant he wouldn’t touch a drop. He can’t handle me ordering a drink in public anymore as it just makes him feel too uncomfortable- it didn’t so much when I didn’t have a bump but he hates the fact that ‘people are judging and looking at us’ now that I do.

I fully expect to get some replies about how he’s right and I am being reckless with my pregnancy, and that it’s only 9 months and why can’t I just cut it out all together, and the answer is, I had weighed up or thought I’d weighed up, whether I truly I had to, and considered myself to be in very safe limits. I like the taste of good wine and the foods it goes with. Yes I’ve tried alcohol free wine and it’s rank, I’d be more likely to cut everything out than drink pretend versions.

So I’ve just woke up this morning upset that he’s had all these thoughts about me causing harm to our baby (for what it’s worth I had a miscarriage before this pregnancy, and I know that was not down to alcohol as I hadn’t drunk at all as I lost it in the first trimester, so it didn’t affect my decision to have the odd drink in this pregnancy) and also that he’s inflicting other peoples judgments on me and just generally making me feel really bad. He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

So hit me with it- am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
MKCH · 12/06/2021 14:01

@ThymeCrisis

Sorry- I’ll probably be flamed for this now but I was of the opinion that current advice says that having a drink when breastfeeding is totally fine- or has my midwife just lied to my face about that?
Drinking when breastfeeding is fine. The amount that gets through is so minimal, it is likened to a shot of whisky in a swimming pool. There is more alcohol in orange juice than what a baby would consume when breastfeeding. You would need to be almost alcohol poisoned before any notable amount got through to the baby. That isn't a challenge. If you can hold the baby (as in, you don't need someone to hold the baby to your breast to feed), you can feed the baby.
HumunaHey · 12/06/2021 14:01

@ThymeCrisis

Sorry- I’ll probably be flamed for this now but I was of the opinion that current advice says that having a drink when breastfeeding is totally fine- or has my midwife just lied to my face about that?
Anything you eat or drink can be consumed by the baby via breastmilk, especially when newborn and feeds are frequent.
awaketoosoon · 12/06/2021 14:01

you would shamelessly drink in public whilst visibly pregnant

🙄

PegasusReturns · 12/06/2021 14:01

@PlanDeRaccordement

There’s a difference between “having an opinion” and being part of the decision making process.

Regardless of it being a drug there are many other activities that are far more risky. Maternal weight can seriously affect health outcomes of the child, but I think most people would be horrified at the idea of a man requiring his partner adopt a health regime against her wishes

Regardless of the restriction I fundamentally disagree that he has a say in this. As far as I’m concerned OP would be perfectly entitled to end her pregnancy if she so so wished and I certainly don’t think it’s appropriate for the baby’s father to be able to stop her. That way lies madness.

CantEnjoySummer · 12/06/2021 14:01

@ThymeCrisis

Sorry- I’ll probably be flamed for this now but I was of the opinion that current advice says that having a drink when breastfeeding is totally fine- or has my midwife just lied to my face about that?
Yes breastfeeding is fine.

Drinking whilst pregnant is not. And to be honest I'd have judged you hard if I'd seen you drinking.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 12/06/2021 14:01

He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

What a dick. I thought he may have reasonable points until he decided to blame any problem for the next 18 years on you.

If this is an accurate report of his words, he hasn't said "I will blame you" if there are any problems that are acknowledged to potentially have a link to being exposed to alcohol in the womb. If your toddler knocked over a candle and burned your house down, you wouldn't blame the child at all (you'd blame yourself for putting the toddler at risk in the first place), but it would be a clear case of cause and effect.

Like it or not, if you choose to continue a pregnancy (and legally, you don't have to), you have to accept, as a PP put it so well, that you are sharing your body with another person - and that it was your choice to do so.

Yes, there are always calculated risks in being a parent, but you have to look at the cost/benefit to the risks. Unless you have a personal problem with alcohol and everybody knows that children shouldn't be exposed to it, why is it worth insisting on a little treat to the potential (however small) detriment of your child?

I don't think your DH has expressed himself very well - and I think drinking moderately (if not completely giving up) in support of you would have been a respectful thing to do; obviously, he should abstain completely once you're at the stage where he might need to drive you to hospital - but I can well see his reasoning.

Additionally, however irrational his fears may be, he could be paranoid about SS demanding to heavily monitor you both (as in your behaviour and suitability as parents, not just routine/precautionary medical tests) and even ending up taking your baby away if they know you've been drinking during pregnancy, should your baby show any signs that could possibly be attributed to drinking in pregnancy - even if there is no actual link whatsoever in your case.

We've all seen the heartbreaking stories where babies are born with congenital medical conditions that present as bruising or give them extremely brittle bones and the parents have been accused of abuse and lost their children. Sometimes, it takes months or even years to prove the parents' innocence, from which their bond will never recover, even if they do get their child back. If you've been drinking at home only, there's nobody to report you; not so much if you've been seen drinking in public places - by people who wouldn't even know if it was your one sip of a drink throughout the whole pregnancy or a daily large glass or two of wine.

InnaBun · 12/06/2021 14:02

@ThymeCrisis

Sorry- I’ll probably be flamed for this now but I was of the opinion that current advice says that having a drink when breastfeeding is totally fine- or has my midwife just lied to my face about that?
www.nhs.uk/conditions/baby/breastfeeding-and-bottle-feeding/breastfeeding-and-lifestyle/alcohol/

NHS guidance. Personally I'd just use formula then you can enjoy your wine .

HumunaHey · 12/06/2021 14:02

But I think with breastfeeding, a very small amount is fine as the volume isn't like for like with your own consumption.

awaketoosoon · 12/06/2021 14:02

@MiddleParking exactly!

godmum56 · 12/06/2021 14:02

[quote MKCH]@ThymeCrisis

I mean, it's your choice and advice is contradictory as NHS says don't drink, Department of Health says 1-2 units once or twice a week (max).

NHS says don't drink because ultimately there are other variables that have to be taken into account with previous studies (drug use, actual amount of units drunk vs recorded, etc) and they can't differentiate between them and the various outcomes.

I didn't drink in my first trimester but then sometimes had one/two drinks a week (not every week) from about week 20 ish onwards.

It comes down to whether you're ok with it.

And your DH - as has been mentioned, the whole alcohol vs no alcohol doesn't even seem to be the problem here, it's the social visibility and judgement that he doesn't want. Compromise? Carry on as is but don't enjoy a drink in public?[/quote]
I rthink that the problem is (always has been) with NHS advice is that it has to be 100% risk averse...they can never say well "the research says this" they always have to come down on the side of don't do it.

WimpoleHat · 12/06/2021 14:03

I probably would keep to NHS guidance too as opposed to a book written by someone who specialises in Economics.

NHS guidance is written for a mass audience (so has to be basic and simple) and a free at the point of use public health service. It should always be considered in that context.

PegasusReturns · 12/06/2021 14:03

But he's not forcing her to stop. He's expressed his opinion. Is he not allowed to do that?

No he’s not expressing an opinion. He’s having a pathetic tantrum, spoiling an evening out and is sulking in order to try and manipulate the OP into adopting his position. That’s not a nice way to behave

InnaBun · 12/06/2021 14:03

It's only advice though. It's your child.

MintLampShade · 12/06/2021 14:03

My Partner didn't drink through out my pregnancy, as I made the decision not to drink at all, so he quit as well. If he doesn't want you to drink, then he gets to quit as well, you are doing all the work, his job is to support you

My DH supported me too; he cooked, cleaned, fetched me midnight snacks, came to all the appointments etc. But sure as heck I did not expect him to give up beer and wine for 9 months! Or stake..He wasn't the one pregnant. Yes, your body, your decision - but you also made a decision to be responsible for a human being. If you can't exercise self control when there is alcohol in the house, that's a different issue. As long as he's not rubbing it in, why should he / they give up?? Totally and utterly beyond me.

LapinR0se · 12/06/2021 14:04

This is from your post
“Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge.”
You are 100% correct. That is exactly why the NHS guidelines are zero alcohol - because they do not trust women.

Sweak · 12/06/2021 14:05

@CynsterBitch

For balance, my mum also smoked through her pregnancy with me, and while breastfeeding me (there are pictures in my baby album of me being breastfeed on the couch with her while she smokes) I was an average sized baby, no health issues, grew up to to be above average height woman 5f10”, if it stunted my growth thank god for that. Anyway for every anecdote there is an opposite experience, not really helpful to anyone. OP has done her research and is happy with what she is doing, her DH has gone no further than the NHS website and the opinion of those around them. Maybe he should make an effort and do some research into pregnancy as well, sounds like OP is doing all the hard work here. Enjoy your Prosecco *@ThymeCrisis*
OP has done her research and is happy with what she is doing, her DH has gone no further than the NHS website and the opinion of those around them. Maybe he should make an effort and do some research into pregnancy as well, sounds like OP is doing all the hard work here.

Pretty pointless. We can all find research/evidence to fit our preconceived ideas.

And there's nothing wrong with going by the NHS website. The book op mentioned isn't superior to the NHS website.

TheCheeseBadge · 12/06/2021 14:06

I think YANBU regarding reading up on what is and isn't recommended and making informed decisions about your baby and your body.

BUT - this isn't just your baby. And while I don't think your DH should get a say in what you do with your body, I do think you should have a conversation about what risks you're both comfortable with. If you don't do that and your baby turns out to be neurodiverse or disabled in any way do you think you might feel like you're to "blame"? Would your DH blame you?

FWIW, I drank on two occasions (similar to you in that I had 1-2 units both times, drunk slowly) during my first pregnancy because I agree with your risk assessment. I don't think drinking to the level you describe will cause "problems", nor do I think neurodiverse or disabled children are a "problem". FAS is of course a different matter and totally avoidable, but it takes a fair amount of alcohol to cause AFAIK.

BountyIsUnderrated · 12/06/2021 14:06

Once or twice a week isn't the odd glass of wine it's a regular drink.
Personally I think yabu for taking risks with your pregnancy, how would you feel if you found out the baby was sick/unwell because of it.
It's only for 9 months after all.

MintLampShade · 12/06/2021 14:08

*steak. Obviously.

CorporateReject · 12/06/2021 14:08

Although I didn't because I was already at risk, I don't see an issue with one small glass a week if you and the pregnancy are going fine but I understand his concerns based on previous advice and he's also a father to your unborn child. What's wrong is him throwing opinions of others at you. He's going to get a tonne of judgement for all kinds as a parent because we all do things differently. He's in for an absolute shock with that.

Ask him to give up drinking until the baby is born if he feels so passionately about it. No alcohol at home or going out for pub drinks. If he can't support you like that then I think he should leave off with his opinions.

HumunaHey · 12/06/2021 14:08

@PegasusReturns

But he's not forcing her to stop. He's expressed his opinion. Is he not allowed to do that?

No he’s not expressing an opinion. He’s having a pathetic tantrum, spoiling an evening out and is sulking in order to try and manipulate the OP into adopting his position. That’s not a nice way to behave

Nowhere did OP describe anything that sounded like a tantrum. She said he was a bit quiet and they had a nice meal Confused.
Ohpleasenotagain · 12/06/2021 14:09

I can see his point. You are drinking in pregnancy and you do it regularly. Not once in a while, but every week. While I’m not supporting him criticising your habits because of what others think. I’d rather think about your baby’s health. And I do love wine, but no amount of alcohol is safe in pregnancy and you know that. There are other ways to relax.

letsmakethishappen · 12/06/2021 14:10

If that’s the case he needs to stop drinking too since he wouldn’t touch a drop if he was. Well you both are expecting a child

MintyMabel · 12/06/2021 14:10

This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought.

So it isn’t bullshit then, you are making choices because you believe you should ignore advice, because you don’t believe it applies to you. Only to stupid women who don’t make good choices.

Make your choices for whatever reason you like, but don’t pretend you aren’t risking harm to your pregnancy.

Florence3110 · 12/06/2021 14:10

YABU
I just don't understand why you would take the risk? However minimal it may be

Come on OP, it's really not that hard to give up soft cheese, alcohol and rare meat for nine months. I didn't drink any alcohol during my 3 pregnancies and yes I would definitely judge you if I saw you drinking wine while visibly pregnant.