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My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.

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ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 11:44

I’ve namechanged for this but I’ve been around a long time.

Last night DH and I went out for dinner. I’m 6 months pregnant. It was a lovely local Italian place and he ordered a Peroni, I ordered a glass of Prosecco. It was fairly late because he’d watched the first half of the football in the pub after work first, and I’d joined him later, so he’d already had a fair few pints beforehand.

For context, I have been having the odd (125ml) glass of wine or champagne or Prosecco approx once a week (occasionally twice, but I wouldn’t have two drinks on the same night) since I was 16 weeks or so. I felt too ropey before that to contemplate it. Always have the drink with food, always sip very slowly. I was big into wine before I got pregnant and after doing a lot of research (I do have the Emily Oster book but I read lots more research and have come to the conclusion that it’s a negligible ‘risk’ on such a small scale and felt comfortable with my decision. We are talking 1.5 units here.

DH was a bit quiet after I ordered the Prosecco. We had a nice meal and walked home, he then made himself a gin and tonic, and I had a fake version with an M&S seedlip rip off. I asked him if he was ok and why he’d been a bit off. He then said he had ‘come to terms’ with me having the odd drink at home but he’d felt really uncomfortable with me ordering anything alcoholic out in public, because I was visibly pregnant, and he was really worried about what other people in the restaurant were thinking.

I didn’t notice any judgement, and never have, but frankly I wouldn’t care if there was. He also reminded me of the time we had some family round and I had a glass of champagne, and said he’d felt unhappy about it then too.

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time) and he thinks a big reason I do it is to ‘challenge’ the patriarchy and to go against the rules, not because I truly fancy a glass of wine. This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought. We don’t really actually know many other friends that have gone through pregnancy either, but he maintains they would have cut out all alcohol. Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge. Which I would absolutely never do. I know what a unit is.

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.

He is now saying that the drinking is not something he’s comfortable with anymore and just because I have a book that says it’s fine I just have no way to know if we’ve put our unborn son at risk or not, and if he was pregnant he wouldn’t touch a drop. He can’t handle me ordering a drink in public anymore as it just makes him feel too uncomfortable- it didn’t so much when I didn’t have a bump but he hates the fact that ‘people are judging and looking at us’ now that I do.

I fully expect to get some replies about how he’s right and I am being reckless with my pregnancy, and that it’s only 9 months and why can’t I just cut it out all together, and the answer is, I had weighed up or thought I’d weighed up, whether I truly I had to, and considered myself to be in very safe limits. I like the taste of good wine and the foods it goes with. Yes I’ve tried alcohol free wine and it’s rank, I’d be more likely to cut everything out than drink pretend versions.

So I’ve just woke up this morning upset that he’s had all these thoughts about me causing harm to our baby (for what it’s worth I had a miscarriage before this pregnancy, and I know that was not down to alcohol as I hadn’t drunk at all as I lost it in the first trimester, so it didn’t affect my decision to have the odd drink in this pregnancy) and also that he’s inflicting other peoples judgments on me and just generally making me feel really bad. He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

So hit me with it- am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
Lesartisansetlessansculottes · 12/06/2021 13:46

@MilduraS

I was living in France for my pregnancy where they voluntarily told you the odd glass of alcohol is fine, you didn't have to ask. Some friends chose to go teetotal, some chose to have the odd glass but because it was openly discussed, I felt less judged. I also had the odd cigarette and nobody batted an eye. I live in England now and wouldn't think anything of a pregnant woman having a glass of Prosecco.

Would your DH actually give up alcohol for the rest of your pregnancy or is he just saying he would in the impossible situation that he were in your shoes? It's easy to say you would stop drinking altogether if you know it will never need to happen.

Why do people pedal these myths, or are you horribly out of date? My friend with an 18 year old was told no alcohol here in France and I most certainly was with younger children. Everybody in France would look at a pregnant woman smoking with horror. Totally out of date and inaccurate. Fed up of seeing people say French women drink in pregnancy and doctors say it is ok. That is not true. We even have had a warning symbol on wine bottles for years and years, there have been campaigns about it, and they say zero alcohol.
PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 13:46

Alcohol was one of my friends joys too, and then her DS was born with fetal alcohol syndrome. She said she only drank occasionally and never got tipsy. I and everyone else thought she was being reckless and selfish. Now she has a disabled son to raise and every day she is reminded that she caused his disabilities because she couldn’t just not drink alcohol for 9 measly months.

Subbaxeo · 12/06/2021 13:47

I think you’re within your rights to have the odd glass of wine OP without worrying about the baby just as other people are free to completely abstain. FAS isn’t caused by an occasional glass of wine and the advice isn’t so in other countries and babies turn out fine. All my peers had the odd glass when pregnant 20 years ago as the advice was that an occasional drink was ok. You cannot minimise risk completely and stressing about whether baby is ok isn’t risk free for baby with all that cortisol racing around the blood. And what’s the thing with steak? Goodness-how did cavemen cope with pregnancy?!!

PegasusReturns · 12/06/2021 13:48

I feel very uncomfortable about the posters saying it’s his baby so he gets a say. It’s your body and you get to make the decisions.

What if his next concern is driving or working or exercise or eating cake? Where does the line get drawn?

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 13:48

I was living in France for my pregnancy where they voluntarily told you the odd glass of alcohol is fine, you didn't have to ask.

Not my experience either here in France also.....it must have been the fellow expat friends you associated with.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 12/06/2021 13:48

I distinctly remember a wonderful restaurant in the Italian Alps near the border with France and a French woman, probably 6 or 7 months, with her mum, eating a massive anti-pasta platter followed by a raclette and downing a 500ml beer. Good for her! No one blinked. Very refreshing.

You're fine OP - tell your DH to go teetotal with you or do one.

godmum56 · 12/06/2021 13:48

cupsofcoffee "But he's not pregnant. I don't know why people insist on making this comparison - it's very odd ime."

its called "support"

and one or two glasses a week is NOT dependant FFS

PPCD · 12/06/2021 13:48

If he was bothered about it he would have mentioned it before when you were having a small glass at home. The fact he has only mentioned it after you drank in public means it's about perception not about risk for him.

I'm agree with everyone who is saying he should be giving up alcohol too if he expects you to. After all, it is only 9 months... And he can give up cheese and poached eggs and all the other things women are criticised for eating/drinking/doing during pregnancy.

InnaBun · 12/06/2021 13:49

Goodness-how did cavemen cope with pregnancy?!! they probably suffered more problems and had no idea why.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 12/06/2021 13:50

antipasto ...

Redruby2020 · 12/06/2021 13:50

Right, I read part way, and my thinking was, having been with my ex and father of my DS, is that he should be cutting back too, that sounds like a lot to drink. Also I'm assuming he is planning on cutting back once baby is born.
My ex was always out, and drinking was an issue, not just about because I didn't feel I could drink much anymore. I still enjoy myself I just know how to behave and naturally changed once I knew I was pregnant.
I hate this rule of it's okay for the father and not for the mother. Okay it's not a competition, but again if that is his view on that subject, what is he like or going to be like about other things?!
My life turned very bad once we had our DS, there had been years of abuse. But my ex changed for the worse once I had given birth to his child. In terms of then a new role, expectations, and the abuse escalated.
What is your DP like in general or other ways?

Rillington · 12/06/2021 13:50

It's very sad that you can't go 9 months without a drink.

stopchewingeverything · 12/06/2021 13:50

As a midwife (and pregnant myself) that has done reading into this, I personally wouldn't be drinking that much. I wouldn't judge a glass at a special occasion but weekly I think is too much. Fetal alcohol syndrome is actually a spectrum of disorders and there is a school of thought that lower level drinking could be contributing to increased behavioural disorders etc. It's not a risk I would be willing to take. I've asked my DP's opinion on your thread and situation and he said that he would also be uncomfortable with me drinking to that level and would probably say something. In my 2 pregnancies we have agreed that DP wouldn't drink wine in the house out of solidarity...he can drink beer though as I don't like it! He will have a glass if we go out for dinner and I will steal a sip or two but wouldn't order my own. I probably would keep to NHS guidance too as opposed to a book written by someone who specialises in Economics.

MKCH · 12/06/2021 13:50

@ThymeCrisis

I mean, it's your choice and advice is contradictory as NHS says don't drink, Department of Health says 1-2 units once or twice a week (max).

NHS says don't drink because ultimately there are other variables that have to be taken into account with previous studies (drug use, actual amount of units drunk vs recorded, etc) and they can't differentiate between them and the various outcomes.

I didn't drink in my first trimester but then sometimes had one/two drinks a week (not every week) from about week 20 ish onwards.

It comes down to whether you're ok with it.

And your DH - as has been mentioned, the whole alcohol vs no alcohol doesn't even seem to be the problem here, it's the social visibility and judgement that he doesn't want. Compromise? Carry on as is but don't enjoy a drink in public?

My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.
PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 13:50

@PegasusReturns

I feel very uncomfortable about the posters saying it’s his baby so he gets a say. It’s your body and you get to make the decisions.

What if his next concern is driving or working or exercise or eating cake? Where does the line get drawn?

Alcohol is a drug. Any drug use that is similarly proven to have risk of harm and zero benefits would be within a fathers rights to express an opinion about. Yes it is her body, her choice, but he can have an opinion and say he disagrees and encourage her to be less reckless with the baby’s health.
Redruby2020 · 12/06/2021 13:51

@JewelGarden

YANBU to have the odd glass of wine and so on. But I think it's probably right to take on board what your partner feels comfortable with too. I'd probably insist that if you're going along with what he wants and not drinking, then he can't drink when you're out either. But then I'm spiteful like that.
Yeah I tried that, it didn't work lol.
awaketoosoon · 12/06/2021 13:53

. We even have had a warning symbol on wine bottles for years and years, there have been campaigns about it, and they say zero alcohol.

They have been big campaigns because it was considered completely acceptable & many still do. The warning symbols have only been around since the mid 00s I think, & some felt the gov were not doing enough to warn of risks.

Slipperrr · 12/06/2021 13:53

@ThymeCrisis

I just feel he’s taken away any small joy I had in a nice small glass of something at the end of a long working week- obviously something he’s still free to enjoy. It’s completely taken away any pleasure I had in it.
Bit sad that.
WimpoleHat · 12/06/2021 13:54

OP - you’re fine. I actually went to see a private obs and gynaecology consultant when I found out about my unexpected pregnancy; we’d been on holiday and, while I hadn’t been legless every night or anything like that, I had really overindulged on the booze. So I was horrified to think I might have done some damage. He spent a long time reassuring me and talking through it with me. I won’t bore you with all the details, but a glass once a week isn’t anything to worry about if he’s correct (which you’d hope, given he’s been practising in the area for 40 years).

Redruby2020 · 12/06/2021 13:54

@awaketoosoon

Do you think you had a reliance / problem with alcohol before you became pregnant?

Awh, the reaching!! Mn never lets me down 😆

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youshallnotpass9 · 12/06/2021 13:55

I haven't read the full thread, the thing is its, not 9 months, its then however long you breastfeed for and then I am sure its one reason or another as to what you are going to be judged on

My Partner didn't drink through out my pregnancy, as I made the decision not to drink at all, so he quit as well. If he doesn't want you to drink, then he gets to quit as well, you are doing all the work, his job is to support you

MiddleParking · 12/06/2021 13:56

@awaketoosoon

I always came from the angle that I would do absolutely nothing that could potentially harm my unborn child. I ate sensibly, no caffeine (and I love my builders tea), certainly no alcohol no matter how much I wanted a glass of white on a Friday evening. I was going to do everything in my power to ensure my children had the best start in life

Caffeine is allowed. Tbf whether my children had a great start to life or not was far more down to my dad being very successful.

Yep. I do find all this competitive self-sacrifice about giving your kids the best start in life a bit pointless. All the things that gave my kids the ‘best start in life’ in terms of their health and life chances were things outwith the control of their father and I, namely that we were both white middle class, able-bodies, well-educated, came from wealthy families and live in a country with high-quality universal healthcare. Nice for us and for our children that we won the capitalism game, but not something we could pat ourselves on the backs for and nor could anyone else in our position, even if they pretend they can.
ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 13:57

Sorry- I’ll probably be flamed for this now but I was of the opinion that current advice says that having a drink when breastfeeding is totally fine- or has my midwife just lied to my face about that?

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HumunaHey · 12/06/2021 13:58

@PegasusReturns

I feel very uncomfortable about the posters saying it’s his baby so he gets a say. It’s your body and you get to make the decisions.

What if his next concern is driving or working or exercise or eating cake? Where does the line get drawn?

But he's not forcing her to stop. He's expressed his opinion. Is he not allowed to do that?

If the shoe were on the other foot and it were men who carried babies, I would absolutely say something to my DH if I was uncomfortable with his drinking. I would be as tactful as possible and know I can't force him to stop, but I wouldn't sit idly by and tear myself in knots about the welfare of the baby I also produced.

If needs be, I would also stop drinking for solidarity and support.

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