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My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.

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ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 11:44

I’ve namechanged for this but I’ve been around a long time.

Last night DH and I went out for dinner. I’m 6 months pregnant. It was a lovely local Italian place and he ordered a Peroni, I ordered a glass of Prosecco. It was fairly late because he’d watched the first half of the football in the pub after work first, and I’d joined him later, so he’d already had a fair few pints beforehand.

For context, I have been having the odd (125ml) glass of wine or champagne or Prosecco approx once a week (occasionally twice, but I wouldn’t have two drinks on the same night) since I was 16 weeks or so. I felt too ropey before that to contemplate it. Always have the drink with food, always sip very slowly. I was big into wine before I got pregnant and after doing a lot of research (I do have the Emily Oster book but I read lots more research and have come to the conclusion that it’s a negligible ‘risk’ on such a small scale and felt comfortable with my decision. We are talking 1.5 units here.

DH was a bit quiet after I ordered the Prosecco. We had a nice meal and walked home, he then made himself a gin and tonic, and I had a fake version with an M&S seedlip rip off. I asked him if he was ok and why he’d been a bit off. He then said he had ‘come to terms’ with me having the odd drink at home but he’d felt really uncomfortable with me ordering anything alcoholic out in public, because I was visibly pregnant, and he was really worried about what other people in the restaurant were thinking.

I didn’t notice any judgement, and never have, but frankly I wouldn’t care if there was. He also reminded me of the time we had some family round and I had a glass of champagne, and said he’d felt unhappy about it then too.

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time) and he thinks a big reason I do it is to ‘challenge’ the patriarchy and to go against the rules, not because I truly fancy a glass of wine. This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought. We don’t really actually know many other friends that have gone through pregnancy either, but he maintains they would have cut out all alcohol. Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge. Which I would absolutely never do. I know what a unit is.

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.

He is now saying that the drinking is not something he’s comfortable with anymore and just because I have a book that says it’s fine I just have no way to know if we’ve put our unborn son at risk or not, and if he was pregnant he wouldn’t touch a drop. He can’t handle me ordering a drink in public anymore as it just makes him feel too uncomfortable- it didn’t so much when I didn’t have a bump but he hates the fact that ‘people are judging and looking at us’ now that I do.

I fully expect to get some replies about how he’s right and I am being reckless with my pregnancy, and that it’s only 9 months and why can’t I just cut it out all together, and the answer is, I had weighed up or thought I’d weighed up, whether I truly I had to, and considered myself to be in very safe limits. I like the taste of good wine and the foods it goes with. Yes I’ve tried alcohol free wine and it’s rank, I’d be more likely to cut everything out than drink pretend versions.

So I’ve just woke up this morning upset that he’s had all these thoughts about me causing harm to our baby (for what it’s worth I had a miscarriage before this pregnancy, and I know that was not down to alcohol as I hadn’t drunk at all as I lost it in the first trimester, so it didn’t affect my decision to have the odd drink in this pregnancy) and also that he’s inflicting other peoples judgments on me and just generally making me feel really bad. He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

So hit me with it- am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
KOKOagainandagain · 12/06/2021 14:11

The imagined judgement of strangers is irrelevant.

The decision is ideally taken by both parents and is not limited to pregnancy.

Before pregnancy - are we going to carry on as usual, maximise chance of success, minimise risk or try to eradicate any potential risk. This period is not time limited.

During pregnancy - is the shared plan for the pregnant woman to carry on as usual/maximise/minimise/eradicate and what support is required by the father to do this. Pregnancy is time limited.

When the baby is born - what are shared plans for parenting - what will carry on the same/what adjustments will be made by both parents and will the framework be to maximise development, minimise adverse effect or eradicate all potential risk. This period lasts for years.

This is not about drinking per se. Your partner was not trying to eradicate all risk etc before conception and is very unlikely to change their life to do this after the baby is born. He doesn't expect you to eradicate all risk (painkillers OK, caffeine OK, certain risky foods OK) just alcohol and not because of potential risk but potential judgement. He is not questioning your choice but attacking you as a person and suggesting that your behaviour is not rational but is some kind of rebellion against the patriarchal views of strangers.

This could set a precedent. Not only that you aren't perfect and so a scapegoat to blame but also that all your conscious and rational parenting choices and decisions are really a teenage rebellion against patriarchy. This could mean you can't do right for doing wrong - breastfeeding, returning to work - eminently flexible. You will always be wrong because there will always be unknown others that would do things differently - even for the same reasons.

Daisylg · 12/06/2021 14:12

40-80 glasses of wine during your pregnancy isn’t the occasional drink to be honest. Each to their own though, I personally just couldn’t see the point. Even if there was a 1% chance of it being a risk, it’s not something I would take a chance on. He’s told you he’s embarrassed, which I get to be fair. Maybe compromise on just having a drink at home if you still wish to carry on

MintyMabel · 12/06/2021 14:12

NHS guidance is written for a mass audience (so has to be basic and simple) and a free at the point of use public health service. It should always be considered in that context.

NHS guidance is based on decades of scientific review and fact. It is presented in an easy to understand format but it is based on real data.

ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 14:13

How on earth did you arrive at 40-80 glasses of wine?

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ArabellaScott · 12/06/2021 14:13

@JewelGarden

YANBU to have the odd glass of wine and so on. But I think it's probably right to take on board what your partner feels comfortable with too. I'd probably insist that if you're going along with what he wants and not drinking, then he can't drink when you're out either. But then I'm spiteful like that.
Yep. That.
Stormyequine · 12/06/2021 14:13

I think if he wants you to stop drinking he needs to put his money where his mouth is and stop drinking too. After all if there was a problem with the pregnancy he may need to drive you to hospital. FWIW I did the same research and drank similar small amounts while pregnant so I don't think you are wrong in what you are doing.

sunnypeaches · 12/06/2021 14:15

Well, you are harming the baby. Your DH should be unhappy about that, not about people judging you.
How you can enjoy a glass of wine knowing it could harm your baby is beyond me.
And im very into wine and drink quite a bit of it (when not pregnant)

MiddleParking · 12/06/2021 14:16

Additionally, however irrational his fears may be, he could be paranoid about SS demanding to heavily monitor you both (as in your behaviour and suitability as parents, not just routine/precautionary medical tests) and even ending up taking your baby away if they know you've been drinking during pregnancy, should your baby show any signs that could possibly be attributed to drinking in pregnancy - even if there is no actual link whatsoever in your case.

Did I miss a drip feed where the DH transpired to be an absolute raving lunatic?

gurglebelly · 12/06/2021 14:18

@lastcall

I don't agree with you on the alcohol; but that's irrelevant. You've made your own decision to make.

Your DH, otoh, happily ordered himself beer and then expressed dismay that you had a prosecco.

Your DH has happily continued to drink throughout your pregnancy while expressing dismay that you have had the occasional light glass of wine as well post first-trimester.

Bet he didn't suggest joining you in abstaining for the duration of your pregnancy so he could also feel like he's supported you in what he thinks needs to be done for a healthy outcome.

Have you addressed his lack of personal abstinence for the duration since he feels so strongly about it?

This was exactly what I had come on to say
awaketoosoon · 12/06/2021 14:18

Additionally, however irrational his fears may be, he could be paranoid about SS demanding to heavily monitor you both (as in your behaviour and suitability as parents, not just routine/precautionary medical tests) and even ending up taking your baby away if they know you've been drinking during pregnancy, should your baby show any signs that could possibly be attributed to drinking in pregnancy - even if there is no actual link whatsoever in your case

He would probably need help for paranoia then

HumunaHey · 12/06/2021 14:19

@ThymeCrisis

How on earth did you arrive at 40-80 glasses of wine?
I think that PP is totalling the amount you would have drunk if you have 1-2 glasses a week throughout a 40 week pregnancy.
Daisylg · 12/06/2021 14:19

How on earth did you arrive at 40-80 glasses of wine?

Pregnant for roughly 40 weeks… 1 glass a week = 40

If you were drinking 2 a week = 80? So anywhere between 40-80 as an estimate as I doubt your drinking 2 every week but people do tend to play down the real figures on here. I’m not Carol Vordeman my point was even 40 glasses isn’t occasional. I don’t know why you bothered to make this thread, because you clearly actually done care about anyone’s opinions who aren’t telling you your not being unreasonable.

Washyourtoes · 12/06/2021 14:19

YABU. I am with everyone else saying why in the world I would consider even a 'small' risk to my child for something as unnecessary as alcohol. It's only a few months. Cannot get my head around that.

BountyIsUnderrated · 12/06/2021 14:19

@sunnypeaches

I agree, when you think about alcohols effects on fully grown adults I would be worried about it harming the baby. Especially when some of their organs aren't fully functional yet.

This coming from someone who finds it very hard to give things up, when I was pregnant I didn't touch a drop for 9 months, no soft cheese, no rare meat, no food to me it just wasn't worth the risk.
Food is one thing but consuming a drug when the vulnerable person inside you has no say in it...

ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 14:20

@Daisylg it clearly says I didn’t drink until around week 16.

There have been three weeks where I didn’t drink anything (headaches)

There were three weeks where I had two in the week.

So your maths is really off.

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Washyourtoes · 12/06/2021 14:21

Obviously with the caveat that if you don't have a longstanding struggle with alcohol excess and you have managed to cut it down to this level due to unexpected pregnancy in which case way to go as of course that would be much harder to do.

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 14:22

@ThymeCrisis

How on earth did you arrive at 40-80 glasses of wine?
I would imagine it’s your confession you drink 1-2 glasses per week....times 40 weeks of pregnancy. That’s a lot of alcohol exposure.
ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 14:22

It’s also not what I said or anywhere near, @PlanDeRaccordement

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CinnamonJellyBeans · 12/06/2021 14:23

Who is this Emily Oster you speak of? A quick google shows me she's not a health professional at all, just a statistics number cruncher, but as she is giving you the advice you want to hear, she clearly trumps the NHS evidence-based guidelines.

And just how hard did you have to look to find this (one) person who tells you to drink alcohol while pregnant? Your relationship with alcohol is not a healthy one if you cannot give it up during pregnancy like the NHS advises. You can dress up your dependence in gastronomic terms if you wish, but you have taken a very conscious decision to expose your child to risk.

Your husband has a valid point; FAS has a very broad spectrum of effects and if your child does end up with any issues that could be a manifestation of FAS, you will always wonder if you could be responsible.

PS I can't wait until Emily publishes her long-awaited research showing no causal link between moderate consumption of cigarettes and cancer; I don't half miss fags.

awaketoosoon · 12/06/2021 14:23

NHS guidance is based on decades of scientific review and fact. It is presented in an easy to understand format but it is based on real data.

The NHS didn't advise me on mixed feeding or using a pump/bottle when expressing.

knittingaddict · 12/06/2021 14:25

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time)

Just for info, I had mine in the mid to late 80's and the advice was no alcohol.

Thisseatisnotavailable · 12/06/2021 14:25

YANBU at all OP. And anyone who has said they would judge you is a dick who should mind there own business.

I know some advice has clearly changed since I was last pregnant, but I thought maternal stress was considered one of the biggest risks so he should be supporting you not causing you stress.

PurplePansy05 · 12/06/2021 14:25

Ok, so calculating at your pace of drinking when pregnant, at least 24 glasses throughout pregnancy is an "occasional drink" and fine...OK, OP, you do you, many of us simply do not agree.

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 14:26

I hope you both walked to this restaurant because otherwise one of you was also drink driving.

Daisylg · 12/06/2021 14:26

As if your arguing about my math Grinyour ATTITUDE is way off. I didn’t read every word you said what jumped out was 1-2 drinks a week, I didn’t see you said you started drinking at 16 weeks, My comment wasn’t even mean, it said each to their own. You literally have asked if you are being unreasonable then stamped your feet because people are saying you are.