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My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.

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ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 11:44

I’ve namechanged for this but I’ve been around a long time.

Last night DH and I went out for dinner. I’m 6 months pregnant. It was a lovely local Italian place and he ordered a Peroni, I ordered a glass of Prosecco. It was fairly late because he’d watched the first half of the football in the pub after work first, and I’d joined him later, so he’d already had a fair few pints beforehand.

For context, I have been having the odd (125ml) glass of wine or champagne or Prosecco approx once a week (occasionally twice, but I wouldn’t have two drinks on the same night) since I was 16 weeks or so. I felt too ropey before that to contemplate it. Always have the drink with food, always sip very slowly. I was big into wine before I got pregnant and after doing a lot of research (I do have the Emily Oster book but I read lots more research and have come to the conclusion that it’s a negligible ‘risk’ on such a small scale and felt comfortable with my decision. We are talking 1.5 units here.

DH was a bit quiet after I ordered the Prosecco. We had a nice meal and walked home, he then made himself a gin and tonic, and I had a fake version with an M&S seedlip rip off. I asked him if he was ok and why he’d been a bit off. He then said he had ‘come to terms’ with me having the odd drink at home but he’d felt really uncomfortable with me ordering anything alcoholic out in public, because I was visibly pregnant, and he was really worried about what other people in the restaurant were thinking.

I didn’t notice any judgement, and never have, but frankly I wouldn’t care if there was. He also reminded me of the time we had some family round and I had a glass of champagne, and said he’d felt unhappy about it then too.

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time) and he thinks a big reason I do it is to ‘challenge’ the patriarchy and to go against the rules, not because I truly fancy a glass of wine. This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought. We don’t really actually know many other friends that have gone through pregnancy either, but he maintains they would have cut out all alcohol. Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge. Which I would absolutely never do. I know what a unit is.

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.

He is now saying that the drinking is not something he’s comfortable with anymore and just because I have a book that says it’s fine I just have no way to know if we’ve put our unborn son at risk or not, and if he was pregnant he wouldn’t touch a drop. He can’t handle me ordering a drink in public anymore as it just makes him feel too uncomfortable- it didn’t so much when I didn’t have a bump but he hates the fact that ‘people are judging and looking at us’ now that I do.

I fully expect to get some replies about how he’s right and I am being reckless with my pregnancy, and that it’s only 9 months and why can’t I just cut it out all together, and the answer is, I had weighed up or thought I’d weighed up, whether I truly I had to, and considered myself to be in very safe limits. I like the taste of good wine and the foods it goes with. Yes I’ve tried alcohol free wine and it’s rank, I’d be more likely to cut everything out than drink pretend versions.

So I’ve just woke up this morning upset that he’s had all these thoughts about me causing harm to our baby (for what it’s worth I had a miscarriage before this pregnancy, and I know that was not down to alcohol as I hadn’t drunk at all as I lost it in the first trimester, so it didn’t affect my decision to have the odd drink in this pregnancy) and also that he’s inflicting other peoples judgments on me and just generally making me feel really bad. He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

So hit me with it- am I being unreasonable?

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MouseholeCat · 12/06/2021 13:33

I don't think it's unreasonable to set your own boundaries during pregnancy and I do not judge you for drinking. YABU to substantiate the decision based on Expecting Better though.

Personally, I'm not comfortable making decisions off the back of Emily Oster's analysis. A lot of people take it as rote because of her academic standing and the fact she's done literature reviews.

However, she isn't an expert in any of the fields that she is writing about. She understands the scientific method, statistics, risk and peer review. This means that she can miss things and while she may be able to pick out major research design issues she doesn't necessarily have the background to substantiate all the unknowns in research findings.

The way I read that book was I'd digest a chapter, and then I'd do my own digging if I felt compelled by her argument to go against standard advice. I'd look at rebuttals and summaries of new research online and see if I still felt the same way about the issue. There are some things I've agreed with her on, but others (alcohol included), the vast uncertainties still outweigh the short-term satisfaction IMO.

Tubbs99 · 12/06/2021 13:33

OP you’re going to get judged whatever you do. Welcome to parenthood, you’ll need to grow a thick skin. Sanctimonious twats are going to interfere no matter what you do. Good luck!

sergeilavrov · 12/06/2021 13:33

Every time your child doesn’t meet a milestone, acts up or has a bigger health/behavioural concern; he will link it to this. If you get him to stop vocalizing it, he will be blaming your drinking in his head.

You have chosen to take informed risks with your pregnancy, and that is your right in the UK. He can express dissatisfaction with your choices, given you are pregnant with a shared child. It’s your prerogative to determine the balance between risks you want to take, and critique you are willing to receive before the risks are no longer worth it.

You mention there are lots of ‘treats’ you enjoy that don’t pose risk or concern your partner. In your mind, are they the same value as the wine, rare steaks etc.? What do you feel prevents you doing more of those treats, and reducing the risky treats?

HumunaHey · 12/06/2021 13:34

It's a shame all the comments slating your DH because he simply stated how he feels. Like others have said, it's your body but it's his baby too. He has every right to be concerned. From what I read, he hadn't berated you, just said how he feels.

If you really like alcohol that much that you find it hard to resist, then you should definitely tell him it's unfair for him to drink infront of you if he would like you not to. He doesn't have to stop drinking completely but I think he could show some effort and solidarity if he's really concerned and is in anyway a supportive DH.

Overall, I actually think yabu for getting upset about the harm your drinking might cause your baby only AFTER your DH comments. It's something you seemed to have looked into already and decided you felt it would be fine to drink the amount you have. Why has his comments now made you worried if you were so sure it was fine before?

Abouttimemum · 12/06/2021 13:34

I’m really concerned here OP that if your son does turn out to have any kind of future issues, which is possible, that he’ll automatically (and incorrectly) hold you responsible. I’m wondering if you need to jointly speak to the midwife about it so she can reassure him?

Personally, I didn’t drink at all (but I don’t drink generally anyway) I also didn’t eat steak because it’s disgusting well done 😂 I followed all of the guidelines, was really fit and healthy and exercised, but I still had issues with my placenta and DS was born prematurely and was really poorly. It happens.

That said, yes I do judge pregnant women who I have seen smoke and drink throughout because that’s dreadful and not based on any careful risk assessment, and having been in hospital for a lengthy period I saw the impact of that on unborn babies, but I wouldn’t judge someone having a glass of wine with a meal once a week.

Also he needs to get used to be judged. DS went ballistic in Morrison’s today because he wanted to eat his apple but he didn’t want to take any bites out of it. Glares all round.

Lollypop701 · 12/06/2021 13:35

Op you absolutely do deserve a baby and one small glass with food is ok… I didn’t drink in my pregnancies but that was my choice… I would have wanted a second! Personally I think dh is a knob if he’s only bothered because of other people opions or expressed himself badly , but you know him. He should also think that people will think he will be a bad father if they see him with his pregnant wife pissed

Hoppinggreen · 12/06/2021 13:35

@ThymeCrisis

Yes, I absolutely do deserve to have a baby, saying that I don’t is really unnecessary and cruel.
I agree that was a horrible comment but nobody really needs alcahol so why not give it up until your baby arrives? The chances of it doing any harm are small but since it’s a totally unnecessary risk why take it?
Fr0thandBubble · 12/06/2021 13:35

OP I took your attitude with my first - although, to be fair, I think I had slightly more than you; I might have had a couple of glasses once or twice a week (and, like you, nothing at all during the first trimester).

DS has mild autism and is slightly delayed. Now, whilst I know that it was very likely caused by genetics rather than alcohol, I don't know that for sure and I beat myself up for it constantly.

It sounds like you have done your research and I'm sure you are right that the risk is negligible, but honestly it's just not worth it. Because no one knows for sure, and if your child is born with any problems, the "what ifs" will drive you crazy and you will never forgive yourself.

lastcall · 12/06/2021 13:35

I don't agree with you on the alcohol; but that's irrelevant. You've made your own decision to make.

Your DH, otoh, happily ordered himself beer and then expressed dismay that you had a prosecco.

Your DH has happily continued to drink throughout your pregnancy while expressing dismay that you have had the occasional light glass of wine as well post first-trimester.

Bet he didn't suggest joining you in abstaining for the duration of your pregnancy so he could also feel like he's supported you in what he thinks needs to be done for a healthy outcome.

Have you addressed his lack of personal abstinence for the duration since he feels so strongly about it?

WithANameLikeDaniCalifornia · 12/06/2021 13:35

However I look at it he has ruined the pleasure in one small drink for me now

How has he “ruined” drinking for you? You’re still doing it. And you’re going to keep doing it because your wants are the most important thing in the world.

ViceLikeBlip · 12/06/2021 13:35

The soft cheese and undercooked meat is far more of a risk than the alcohol. At least with a glass of wine, you know exactly how much alcohol is in it, but with a piece of cheese you just don't know if/how much listeria it contains. And listeria and toxoplasmosis (undercooked lamb) really can and do cause miscarriage and still birth. One glass of wine certainly won't.

emmylousings · 12/06/2021 13:36

I drank a little like you during both my pregnancies and wouldn't care if people judged. You can only reassure your DP that you are very confident that it's not a threat to your unborn. It's easy for male DP's to be judgy when they aren't the ones having to manage pregnancy. If he's so keen on a tee-total pregnancy, how about he lead by example?!

FMSucks · 12/06/2021 13:36

I always came from the angle that I would do absolutely nothing that could potentially harm my unborn child. I ate sensibly, no caffeine (and I love my builders tea), certainly no alcohol no matter how much I wanted a glass of white on a Friday evening. I was going to do everything in my power to ensure my children had the best start in life. While I knew I could not control everything (had horrendous labour on my eldest where we both nearly died) I was certainly going to control the things I could do for my child.

adeleh · 12/06/2021 13:38

He is being really cruel imo. If there were an issue, then the first three months would have been the worst time, even if nobody had known. And preparing to blame you already for future behavioural problems !! Fuck off with that. That is so manipulative.

I had occasional glasses as well, OP. A small, occasional glass with food was fine and welcomed by my parents, both of whom are doctors.

Zitouna · 12/06/2021 13:38

Just to say, OP, having caught up with some later comments, I’m so sorry you’re getting a hard time, I absolutely understand how you feel. One of the weirdest things about pregnancy is how everyone somehow seems to own you all of a sudden, and feels they have a right to a say in your decisions. I was v disconcerted by it. I and my partner also read the Emily Oster book, and I found it v helpful and empowering.

Getawriggleon · 12/06/2021 13:39

I absolutely love a drink and I've had the odd drink in both my pregnancies but I can count that on one hand. I found it relatively easy to stop because it's for my baby - I've been drinking for over 20 years, 18 months on the wagon isn't a lot by comparison. I'm sure I've got years of lots of lovely Shiraz/champagne/g&ts to come.

I've actually cut down loads since having children as has DH, because guess what, getting up multiple times in the night when you've had a few is the least fun thing ever. Maybe you both need to have a chat about both of your drinking habits.

AndSal92 · 12/06/2021 13:40

To be honest, as someone who has had miscarriages in the past I would be following medical guidelines and not drinking, or consuming food that could put your baby at risk - no matter how small that risk would be. I think the difficulty is that if something were to happen (even if it was completely unrelated) you would then feel like you were to blame in some way. Like I said I would be classed as 'high risk' myself though so speak from a place of extreme caution probably, but I'd also see my partners opinions on this as equal to my own (or close to equal at least) as it is his baby too and therefore sort of a shared risk there.

ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 13:40

@WithANameLikeDaniCalifornia how am I ‘still doing it’? This was last night. It’s lunchtime. I’m not still doing it, I wouldn’t have intended to have anything else until next week Confused

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Abouttimemum · 12/06/2021 13:41

I agree with @ViceLikeBlip as well actually, also things which you might like but you can do without for 9 months 🤷‍♀️

WithANameLikeDaniCalifornia · 12/06/2021 13:42

You’re still going to do it then

ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 13:43

Check your reading comp skills.

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cupsofcoffee · 12/06/2021 13:43

@lastcall

I don't agree with you on the alcohol; but that's irrelevant. You've made your own decision to make.

Your DH, otoh, happily ordered himself beer and then expressed dismay that you had a prosecco.

Your DH has happily continued to drink throughout your pregnancy while expressing dismay that you have had the occasional light glass of wine as well post first-trimester.

Bet he didn't suggest joining you in abstaining for the duration of your pregnancy so he could also feel like he's supported you in what he thinks needs to be done for a healthy outcome.

Have you addressed his lack of personal abstinence for the duration since he feels so strongly about it?

But he's not pregnant. I don't know why people insist on making this comparison - it's very odd ime.
awaketoosoon · 12/06/2021 13:45

I always came from the angle that I would do absolutely nothing that could potentially harm my unborn child. I ate sensibly, no caffeine (and I love my builders tea), certainly no alcohol no matter how much I wanted a glass of white on a Friday evening. I was going to do everything in my power to ensure my children had the best start in life

Caffeine is allowed. Tbf whether my children had a great start to life or not was far more down to my dad being very successful.

InnaBun · 12/06/2021 13:46

I don't get why you have to eat soft cheese, rare meat and drink wine for 9 months. It's not that hard to stop just incase.

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