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My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.

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ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 11:44

I’ve namechanged for this but I’ve been around a long time.

Last night DH and I went out for dinner. I’m 6 months pregnant. It was a lovely local Italian place and he ordered a Peroni, I ordered a glass of Prosecco. It was fairly late because he’d watched the first half of the football in the pub after work first, and I’d joined him later, so he’d already had a fair few pints beforehand.

For context, I have been having the odd (125ml) glass of wine or champagne or Prosecco approx once a week (occasionally twice, but I wouldn’t have two drinks on the same night) since I was 16 weeks or so. I felt too ropey before that to contemplate it. Always have the drink with food, always sip very slowly. I was big into wine before I got pregnant and after doing a lot of research (I do have the Emily Oster book but I read lots more research and have come to the conclusion that it’s a negligible ‘risk’ on such a small scale and felt comfortable with my decision. We are talking 1.5 units here.

DH was a bit quiet after I ordered the Prosecco. We had a nice meal and walked home, he then made himself a gin and tonic, and I had a fake version with an M&S seedlip rip off. I asked him if he was ok and why he’d been a bit off. He then said he had ‘come to terms’ with me having the odd drink at home but he’d felt really uncomfortable with me ordering anything alcoholic out in public, because I was visibly pregnant, and he was really worried about what other people in the restaurant were thinking.

I didn’t notice any judgement, and never have, but frankly I wouldn’t care if there was. He also reminded me of the time we had some family round and I had a glass of champagne, and said he’d felt unhappy about it then too.

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time) and he thinks a big reason I do it is to ‘challenge’ the patriarchy and to go against the rules, not because I truly fancy a glass of wine. This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought. We don’t really actually know many other friends that have gone through pregnancy either, but he maintains they would have cut out all alcohol. Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge. Which I would absolutely never do. I know what a unit is.

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.

He is now saying that the drinking is not something he’s comfortable with anymore and just because I have a book that says it’s fine I just have no way to know if we’ve put our unborn son at risk or not, and if he was pregnant he wouldn’t touch a drop. He can’t handle me ordering a drink in public anymore as it just makes him feel too uncomfortable- it didn’t so much when I didn’t have a bump but he hates the fact that ‘people are judging and looking at us’ now that I do.

I fully expect to get some replies about how he’s right and I am being reckless with my pregnancy, and that it’s only 9 months and why can’t I just cut it out all together, and the answer is, I had weighed up or thought I’d weighed up, whether I truly I had to, and considered myself to be in very safe limits. I like the taste of good wine and the foods it goes with. Yes I’ve tried alcohol free wine and it’s rank, I’d be more likely to cut everything out than drink pretend versions.

So I’ve just woke up this morning upset that he’s had all these thoughts about me causing harm to our baby (for what it’s worth I had a miscarriage before this pregnancy, and I know that was not down to alcohol as I hadn’t drunk at all as I lost it in the first trimester, so it didn’t affect my decision to have the odd drink in this pregnancy) and also that he’s inflicting other peoples judgments on me and just generally making me feel really bad. He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

So hit me with it- am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
MissTrip82 · 13/06/2021 00:28

I didn’t drink alcohol or have caffeine. I was worried that something would go wrong and I’d blame myself.

It wasn’t, in truth, a healthy attitude.

Just as the husband who ‘insisted’ his wife not eat/drink various things wasn’t exhibiting healthy relationship behaviours . Adults don’t get to ‘insist’ on the behaviour of other adults.

GertietheGherkin · 13/06/2021 00:46

@TedHastingsweeDonkey

Maybe you should find pleasure in the fact that you are nurturing a little human inside of you and giving them the best possible start in life. Yes it's your body, you decide what you put in it. But there is life growing inside of you. So it's not just you, is it? Also, you say you take the small risk. Small risk of a drink, small risk of rare stake, small risk of Parma ham. Seems to be a lot to small risks there. I am sure you can make your own mind up and decide for you what you can and can't have but I actually do not blame your husband here...you rent your body out for 9 months and baby should come first. Their health should be a priority. Yeah a sip of drink every now and then, but definitely not on a regular basis. Not because of what other people do, or judgment, but for the sake of your unborn child.
This 100%
NeonDreams · 13/06/2021 01:06

@Bizawit Nowhere is anyone talking about a man forcing a woman to do something with her body. Her husband (and the father of the child) said that he is uncomfortable with her drinking when pregnant. That does NOT equate to him 'controlling' or 'forcing' her. Having an opinion is not controlling or forcing. Especially as his opinion is evidence-based. Also, her decision is not evidence-based, on the contrary. If it was evidence-based, she wouldn't be having a drink while pregnant, especially as regularly as she does.

NeonDreams · 13/06/2021 01:13

This thread has shocked me and gives me the rage at how irresponsible people are with alcohol. No wonder the UK has a serious alcohol problem. Medical and scientific evidence and facts show that a woman drinking during pregnancy can cause significant harm to the fetus.

This, is established medical fact.

That women on here are trying to excuse pregnant women drinking shows the relationship with alcohol in this country is seriously disturbing. I am stunned at some of the comments on here from people I thought would have and should have known better. Some deeply disturbing posts on here.

Burmesecatlover · 13/06/2021 01:32

Alcohol enters the bloodstream and a developing foetus shares the mother's blood. Therefore, any alcohol circulates through all of the baby's developing organs (brain etc). This is the problem. The alcohol needs to be metabolised by the baby's liver, which, at times, may be as big as the tip of your little finger. What level of alcohol may be okay for an adult may not be okay for a foetus. You are not comparing apples with apples. Having worked diagnosing children with FASD, the realisation on the mother's behalf of the role alcohol has played in their child's condition is truly devastating. The mother's alcohol consumption does not need to have been huge. Due to alcohol, babies can have irreversible brain damage before they are even born and the life long consequences they live with is heartbreaking. It doesn't make sense to me to take the risk. That's why the health guidelines are in place about drinking during pregnancy.

BusterGonad · 13/06/2021 01:35

It does sound to me like you are taking a lot of 'small' risks. I personally don't think they are worth it. I've got to be honest I would judge an obviously pregnant woman drinking in a pub/restaurant.
My son was born extremely premature, a micro premie, if I had carried on drinking and eating against the guidelines I'd have certainly blamed myself, I found it hard not to blame myself as it was. You are free to do as you choose, but people will have their opinions, especially the father of the child. It sounds a little bit like you are trying to be rebelous to me though. But I could be totally off the mark on that one.

Milliepossum · 13/06/2021 01:51

When I was seeing a fertility specialist he said he could help me get pregnant but any brain or mental issues would be my problem. That comment stayed with me. Then when I started seeing my obstetrician I realised his job is only to deliver a live baby, and although he promoted drinking a glass of red every night there was no way I was going to risk it. I really couldn’t have chosen to follow his verbal, undocumented advice about the wine knowing what the fertility specialist said to me. Even now I don’t think we get the full facts.

Blue4YOU · 13/06/2021 02:20

Is it just possible that it’s ok to have an odd alcoholic drink whilst pregnant but ideally one wouldn’t..?
In my first pregnancy I didn’t- miscarried.
Second I had one and half glasses of wine - full term stillbirth with massive place abruption.
Third - no alcohol- miscarriage.
Fourth and final - none past 4 weeks- seriously disabled child.
It’s not essential to drink in pregnancy.
But it most likely, at small levels, makes no difference

Milliepossum · 13/06/2021 02:30

@Blue4YOU

Is it just possible that it’s ok to have an odd alcoholic drink whilst pregnant but ideally one wouldn’t..? In my first pregnancy I didn’t- miscarried. Second I had one and half glasses of wine - full term stillbirth with massive place abruption. Third - no alcohol- miscarriage. Fourth and final - none past 4 weeks- seriously disabled child. It’s not essential to drink in pregnancy. But it most likely, at small levels, makes no difference
I’m sorry you had such a difficult time 💐. I really wish science could be more accurate about what affects some people but not others.
HelpMeh · 13/06/2021 02:59

Sorry, I'm with your husband and in my opinion once or twice a week is not occasional.

My SIL smoked multiple times per week throughout her first pregnancy (while judging those who drank Confused). Nephew has some developmental concerns and although I say nothing, I really do wonder... I'd be wracked with guilt in her shoes.

Bizawit · 13/06/2021 04:10

@NeonDreams he’s telling her what she can and cannot drink- of course that’s controlling. He’s not just giving his opinion either, he’s told her that he “can’t handle” her doing it and that he will blame her if the child has any issues, which is incredibly manipulative and coercive.

You are entitled to your opinion that having one drink/ unit of alcohol is harmful to a fetus. That has not been in any way proven with research- plenty of evidence says otherwise . Either way, your opinion (and mine) are irrelevant. It’s the OP’s choice whether she has a drink or not and nobody else’s.

I would be absolutely furious if anyone, especially my partner tried to tell me what I can and cannot do when pregnant. And I wouldn’t tolerate it at all.

Blondebakingmumma · 13/06/2021 06:17

My OB said it was fine to have an occasional wine

AGirlsGotToDo · 13/06/2021 06:39

I would judge you. I am judging you. You have created a life that you are growing and you can't even give up alcohol for 9 months to ensure a healthy baby.

I'm with your husband on this.

Posieandpip · 13/06/2021 07:06

I'm furious on your behalf! How dare he even dream of saying that to you while holding his gin and tonic after his several beers.

Posieandpip · 13/06/2021 07:07

And the postet above me is insane and made a really uneducated comment. The occasional small glass of wine isn't going to harm the baby Hmm

3Britnee · 13/06/2021 07:15

I would judge, very heavily too, in the same way I'd judge a pregnant woman smoking. In fact I'd assume you smoke at home too. I'd feel sorry for your child, with this level of selfish going on.

3Britnee · 13/06/2021 07:19

@Blondebakingmumma

My OB said it was fine to have an occasional wine
Every to several times a week isn't occasional.
Jenny70 · 13/06/2021 07:30

I think the crux of this to me would be your husband blithely drinking as per usual, pointing the accusatory finger for what is realistically a very low risk behaviour (not no-risk, but there are no guarantees regardless of this one decision). When firstly he didn't abstain to conceive, which would have been recommended if he bothered to research it, and secondly can show you no moral support by suggesting you both stop drinking for the next 20+ weeks, use the savings to buy XYZ for yourselves or for baby.

sillysausages99 · 13/06/2021 07:35

To be honest, I feel once or twice a week is quite a lot for a pregnant woman

I had a glass if we went out for dinner but that was it. Not every week.

I cut out coffee totally. That was my choice.

I'm an all or nothing person

You can make yours and shouldn't be judged: but it's your husbands baby too so he does have a right to an opinion

I think he should agree to cut out drinking with you in solidarity

CutieBear · 13/06/2021 07:40

The occasional glass of wine isn’t 1-2 glasses every single week. For those who think drinking alcohol and eating raw meat is okay, then read this article: www.tommys.org/pregnancy-information/im-pregnant/nutrition-in-pregnancy/foods-avoid-pregnancy

Also, I don’t think her DH is controlling. It’s his baby too. Mums shouldn’t say “my body my choice” when they’re sharing a body with another human, sharing nutrients. I’m
Pro choice for the mother, but only if it’s early on and she wants an abortion (or there’s some medical issue later on).

sillysausages99 · 13/06/2021 07:45

@CutieBear

I agree with you on this one. Although there's nothing to say the OP can't enjoy her steak rare and soft cheese

OP, look at alcohol free beer for when you're in the pub . There are loads of good ones now.

cheeseismydownfall · 13/06/2021 07:46

@Milliepossum

When I was seeing a fertility specialist he said he could help me get pregnant but any brain or mental issues would be my problem. That comment stayed with me. Then when I started seeing my obstetrician I realised his job is only to deliver a live baby, and although he promoted drinking a glass of red every night there was no way I was going to risk it. I really couldn’t have chosen to follow his verbal, undocumented advice about the wine knowing what the fertility specialist said to me. Even now I don’t think we get the full facts.
That is one of the most offensive things I have ever read on here. Are you honestly saying that you think that the thousands upon thousands of women on this forum who have children with some form of additional needs are somehow to blame for it?
LouHotel · 13/06/2021 08:01

I'm sorry I'm with your husband but he is a dickhead to have drunken that much in your company at the same time as shaming you.

I drank way to much caffeine in my last daughters pregnancy (cups of tea) as was stressed at work and I didn't notice/take much care in how much i was consuming whilst looking after two older kids....my older kids are 95th percentile and she's under the 9th percentile for her age in height.

Logically speaking my kids height difference can be down to genetics as their dad is over 6ft as our my siblings whilst I'm 5ft2 but I will never be able to shake the thought that my choice in pregnancy assisted this.

Are 20 weeks of not drinking worth a lifetime of comments?

HelpMeh · 13/06/2021 08:05

@Posieandpip

I'm furious on your behalf! How dare he even dream of saying that to you while holding his gin and tonic after his several beers.
But he's not pregnant Confused
Milliepossum · 13/06/2021 08:11

No, what I’m saying is my fertility specialist with his blunt comments scared me and after all this time I remember. There is no proper science in place, his comments had nothing to do with food or anything, it was very much that I had zero say in the way a pregnancy would play out.