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My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.

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ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 11:44

I’ve namechanged for this but I’ve been around a long time.

Last night DH and I went out for dinner. I’m 6 months pregnant. It was a lovely local Italian place and he ordered a Peroni, I ordered a glass of Prosecco. It was fairly late because he’d watched the first half of the football in the pub after work first, and I’d joined him later, so he’d already had a fair few pints beforehand.

For context, I have been having the odd (125ml) glass of wine or champagne or Prosecco approx once a week (occasionally twice, but I wouldn’t have two drinks on the same night) since I was 16 weeks or so. I felt too ropey before that to contemplate it. Always have the drink with food, always sip very slowly. I was big into wine before I got pregnant and after doing a lot of research (I do have the Emily Oster book but I read lots more research and have come to the conclusion that it’s a negligible ‘risk’ on such a small scale and felt comfortable with my decision. We are talking 1.5 units here.

DH was a bit quiet after I ordered the Prosecco. We had a nice meal and walked home, he then made himself a gin and tonic, and I had a fake version with an M&S seedlip rip off. I asked him if he was ok and why he’d been a bit off. He then said he had ‘come to terms’ with me having the odd drink at home but he’d felt really uncomfortable with me ordering anything alcoholic out in public, because I was visibly pregnant, and he was really worried about what other people in the restaurant were thinking.

I didn’t notice any judgement, and never have, but frankly I wouldn’t care if there was. He also reminded me of the time we had some family round and I had a glass of champagne, and said he’d felt unhappy about it then too.

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time) and he thinks a big reason I do it is to ‘challenge’ the patriarchy and to go against the rules, not because I truly fancy a glass of wine. This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought. We don’t really actually know many other friends that have gone through pregnancy either, but he maintains they would have cut out all alcohol. Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge. Which I would absolutely never do. I know what a unit is.

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.

He is now saying that the drinking is not something he’s comfortable with anymore and just because I have a book that says it’s fine I just have no way to know if we’ve put our unborn son at risk or not, and if he was pregnant he wouldn’t touch a drop. He can’t handle me ordering a drink in public anymore as it just makes him feel too uncomfortable- it didn’t so much when I didn’t have a bump but he hates the fact that ‘people are judging and looking at us’ now that I do.

I fully expect to get some replies about how he’s right and I am being reckless with my pregnancy, and that it’s only 9 months and why can’t I just cut it out all together, and the answer is, I had weighed up or thought I’d weighed up, whether I truly I had to, and considered myself to be in very safe limits. I like the taste of good wine and the foods it goes with. Yes I’ve tried alcohol free wine and it’s rank, I’d be more likely to cut everything out than drink pretend versions.

So I’ve just woke up this morning upset that he’s had all these thoughts about me causing harm to our baby (for what it’s worth I had a miscarriage before this pregnancy, and I know that was not down to alcohol as I hadn’t drunk at all as I lost it in the first trimester, so it didn’t affect my decision to have the odd drink in this pregnancy) and also that he’s inflicting other peoples judgments on me and just generally making me feel really bad. He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

So hit me with it- am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
lottiegarbanzo · 12/06/2021 23:26

He didn't care in the first trimester, when it counted as much as it ever might. But he cares now that it doesn't but other people can see.

Newmum29 · 12/06/2021 23:29

If it helps my husband was the same, really uncomfortable about me drinking during pregnancy so I respected his views.

I had 3 drinks in total, 1 in each trimester. 1 champagne at 5 weeks (almost absent minded, my boss handed it to me and I sipped before I realised). 1 Prosecco in the second trimester (not sure why, random lunch with a colleague and I wanted one). 1 champagne on our wedding day (postponed due to covid and 3 weeks before birth).

Although he didn’t give up alcohol he had very strong views, all about the baby’s health, nothing to do with what others thought. He also insisted I avoid soft eggs, cured meats, soft cheeses etc etc. it didn’t bother me and he cooked most of our meals and was super supportive.

I have been having the odd wine while breastfeeding though, always timed and it’s something we’re both more comfortable with particularly as we do mixed feeding so it feels even safer.

I would do what your comfortable with but I agree the joy of it is ruined when you know it’s disapproved of and for me I did feel hubby had the right to comment as it was his baby’s health (but my body).

user1470132907 · 12/06/2021 23:35

He's picked a weird time in the pregnancy to raise it if it is genuinely just the effect on the baby he's worried about. He had all those times you drank at home earlier on, when risk to the baby presumably higher.

FWIW I didn't drink alcohol at all in pregnancy. (Because foetal alcohol syndrome can present in so many sometimes quite subtle ways, I knew I'd never be able to emotionally rule out booze if my child had some sort of learning/emotional/behavioural issues/, even if I knew rationally it was unlikely the cause.) But I did have the odd cup of tea towards the end. I'm sure some people would say that was selfish but, like you, assessed risk based on stage of the pregnancy.

CharlieParley · 12/06/2021 23:36

@KurtWilde

The thing is *@Bizawit* once you choose to continue with a pregnancy you share your body with another human life relying on you to give it the best possible outcome, so the whole her body her choice kinda goes out of the window. You do realise if a midwife or healthcare professional thinks a pregnant woman is risking the health of her unborn they're completely at liberty to raise a safeguarding concern?
I disagree. You're sharing your body with a potential human life. Until the unborn is born, the mother's life is paramount in my view.

As for the policies regarding the raising of safeguarding concerns, they are not designed to override this principle, they are designed to allow early intervention measures to be put into place. And to help women who don't understand the risks they're taking, those who want to but cannot stop risky behaviour on their own and so on. A woman who does not cooperate for instance will not be forced to do so (if she is mentally able to make her own decisions), but safeguarding measures will be put in place to protect the life of the baby immediately after birth.

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 12/06/2021 23:37

@KurtWilde

The thing is *@Bizawit* once you choose to continue with a pregnancy you share your body with another human life relying on you to give it the best possible outcome, so the whole her body her choice kinda goes out of the window. You do realise if a midwife or healthcare professional thinks a pregnant woman is risking the health of her unborn they're completely at liberty to raise a safeguarding concern?
I don't think for a second that any midwife in the right mind would think that 1 drink would do any harm to the baby!
boomwhacker · 12/06/2021 23:40

I don't think for a second that any midwife in the right mind would think that 1 drink would do any harm to the baby

But the OP isn't talking about one drink. She's talking about one drink, sometimes two every week since week 16.

Bizawit · 12/06/2021 23:41

@CharlieParley thank you for setting that out so calmly and reasonably. 😅 And for explaining the safeguarding principles.

Bizawit · 12/06/2021 23:44

@boomwhacker

I don't think for a second that any midwife in the right mind would think that 1 drink would do any harm to the baby

But the OP isn't talking about one drink. She's talking about one drink, sometimes two every week since week 16.

So what? Two drinks over the course of a week does not accumulate! You do know how the body processes alcohol right?

And it’s true- not a midwife in the country who would raise a safeguarding concern over a woman having 1 drink 2 times a week. And if they did they certainly wouldn’t be taken seriously.

aibubaby · 12/06/2021 23:45

@Laiste

Blunt opinion? I think this much determination to carrying on drinking alcohol smacks of dependency.

When you add on the cheese, the rare steak, the prawns ect ... it smacks of obstinancy.

All the 'if i can't then neither should he' business - just bloody childish.

I agree I think. A kind of stubborn "why should I give anything up" vibe... because it's very low stakes stuff to give up for very important reasons, why would you not? At the very least, going for very occasionally rather than once a week at least.

Odd choice. And yes it is your body OP but it's not just your baby.

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 12/06/2021 23:47

@boomwhacker

I don't think for a second that any midwife in the right mind would think that 1 drink would do any harm to the baby

But the OP isn't talking about one drink. She's talking about one drink, sometimes two every week since week 16.

Still no issue whatsoever!! You clearly have no idea about how alcohol is processed in the body or about how the placenta works. Not saying that it would be ok to binge drink regularly but that is a very different thing to having a drink every now and again!
theleafandnotthetree · 12/06/2021 23:48

@user1470132907

He's picked a weird time in the pregnancy to raise it if it is genuinely just the effect on the baby he's worried about. He had all those times you drank at home earlier on, when risk to the baby presumably higher.

FWIW I didn't drink alcohol at all in pregnancy. (Because foetal alcohol syndrome can present in so many sometimes quite subtle ways, I knew I'd never be able to emotionally rule out booze if my child had some sort of learning/emotional/behavioural issues/, even if I knew rationally it was unlikely the cause.) But I did have the odd cup of tea towards the end. I'm sure some people would say that was selfish but, like you, assessed risk based on stage of the pregnancy.

The odd cup of tea towards the end, call the police....I feel I've dropped into an alternative universe where women are vessels for carrying these ubermensh babies with no autonomy and maximum judegement over everything eaten, drank, said, done....is this meant to be progress? Cause it feels pretty fucking chilling to me....paging Margaret Atwood, there's great material here
Bizawit · 12/06/2021 23:50

@theleafandnotthetree I feel you Flowers. I’m on exactly the same page. It’s horrifying.

Travis1 · 12/06/2021 23:54

Fucking hell the cunts are out in full force aye!

tenlittlecygnets · 12/06/2021 23:58

What research has HE done to show that alcohol is dangerous? Or is he just going on a 'feeling'?

theleafandnotthetree · 12/06/2021 23:59

@Newmum29

If it helps my husband was the same, really uncomfortable about me drinking during pregnancy so I respected his views.

I had 3 drinks in total, 1 in each trimester. 1 champagne at 5 weeks (almost absent minded, my boss handed it to me and I sipped before I realised). 1 Prosecco in the second trimester (not sure why, random lunch with a colleague and I wanted one). 1 champagne on our wedding day (postponed due to covid and 3 weeks before birth).

Although he didn’t give up alcohol he had very strong views, all about the baby’s health, nothing to do with what others thought. He also insisted I avoid soft eggs, cured meats, soft cheeses etc etc. it didn’t bother me and he cooked most of our meals and was super supportive.

I have been having the odd wine while breastfeeding though, always timed and it’s something we’re both more comfortable with particularly as we do mixed feeding so it feels even safer.

I would do what your comfortable with but I agree the joy of it is ruined when you know it’s disapproved of and for me I did feel hubby had the right to comment as it was his baby’s health (but my body).

You are a more tolerant or maybe more compliant woman than I, if my husband insisted on anything to do with what I ate or didn't eat other than ingesting poison, he'd be told where to stick his hard boiled eggs, cooked meats and hard cheese
GabriellaMontez · 13/06/2021 00:02

[quote Bizawit]@theleafandnotthetree I feel you Flowers. I’m on exactly the same page. It’s horrifying.[/quote]
I knew how this would go but it's even worse than I thought.

Florence3110 · 13/06/2021 00:03

I disagree. You're sharing your body with a potential human life. Until the unborn is born, the mother's life is paramount in my view.

@CharlieParley are you saying that the mother's wishes prioritise the baby's health?

According to this reasoning there should be absolutely no boundaries then.

Coke, a bottle of wine every night, kickboxing, raw meat, ... as long as mum's happy

Belladonna12 · 13/06/2021 00:07

It wasn’t to “no ill effect” the WHO estimates that 1 in 100 babies born have some sort of FASD. The guidance to drink nothing is based on evidence.

It is very unlikely that the mothers of babies born with FASD only drank one glass of wine a week. If that was all it took most people over the age of 20 would have it.

davidrosejumper · 13/06/2021 00:08

I lost my last pregnancy well over the half-way mark. When these things happen, there are usually very few answers. We eventually found out that what had happened was quite rare. We were the 1 in x-thousand.

What gave us a little consolation in the months of uncertainty before we had those answers, was the fact that I had done everything 'by the book'. I had been fully off booze, off caffeine, off risky food, etc. If I had had any reason to question whether my personal behaviour might have contributed to our baby's poor outcome, I don't think I would have been able to mentally cope. We are heartbroken, but we don't have to add to this distress by agonising whether things would have been potentially better, had I done things a little differently.

All these things you do, have relatively small risks, as you are well aware of. But they do add up, sometimes cumulatively over time (alcohol), sometimes by taking the same gamble again and again afresh. Take the food, for example. Every time you eat some soft cheese, or have that charcuterie, you gamble with tiny odds for a poor outcome, but you do gamble. It can be fine a thousand times, until it one day isn't. Unfortunately, someone is going to be that one in x-thousand. I found myself being that exception, drawing that short straw, and it is a rotten place to be in.

I hope all goes well with you and baby, but on the off chance things turn out badly, it is nice to have your conscience clear. Not just to avoid recriminations from your partner (perhaps hypocritically and badly motivated), but especially so you can move forward knowing you did everything you could to ensure a good outcome.

ArnoldJudasRimmer · 13/06/2021 00:09

@Florence3110

I disagree. You're sharing your body with a potential human life. Until the unborn is born, the mother's life is paramount in my view.

@CharlieParley are you saying that the mother's wishes prioritise the baby's health?

According to this reasoning there should be absolutely no boundaries then.

Coke, a bottle of wine every night, kickboxing, raw meat, ... as long as mum's happy

Very true. 😕
Mia727 · 13/06/2021 00:09

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@Bizawit
Feminism isn’t about risking the physical and mental development your unborn child by using alcohol. Babies are not the patriarchy. Men can be right occasionally, and the DH being right about the harms of alcohol isn’t the patriarchy either.[/quote]
Yes I agree. A baby has no power. This is not about patriarchy, it's about giving a baby the right start in life by not exposing them to something which is toxic to them.

powershowerforanhour · 13/06/2021 00:14

Well he was happy enough to get you pregnant right? Putting his loved one at risk of gestational diabetes, eclampsia, haemorrhage, infection, 3rd degree tearing, prolapse, postpartum psychosis, postnatal depression etc etc. But he doesn't want the baby exposed to (or being seen to be exposed to) a miniscule amount of alcohol at the stage of pregnancy when it least matters. Sounds like he's crap at risk assessment .

awaketoosoon · 13/06/2021 00:17

@theleafandnotthetree indeed!

Mydogdoesntlisten · 13/06/2021 00:17

When I was pregnant, the guidelines, (reiterated by my midwife), were 1-2 units, once or twice a week. MIL had been TOLD by her doctor when pregnant to drink a half of Guinness every night. Obviously things may have changed, but I'm sure many, many women of previous generations drank far more than you OP completely within medically approved limits.

Strokethefurrywall · 13/06/2021 00:25

It is very unlikely that the mothers of babies born with FASD only drank one glass of wine a week. If that was all it took most people over the age of 20 would have it.

Exactly right.