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My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.

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ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 11:44

I’ve namechanged for this but I’ve been around a long time.

Last night DH and I went out for dinner. I’m 6 months pregnant. It was a lovely local Italian place and he ordered a Peroni, I ordered a glass of Prosecco. It was fairly late because he’d watched the first half of the football in the pub after work first, and I’d joined him later, so he’d already had a fair few pints beforehand.

For context, I have been having the odd (125ml) glass of wine or champagne or Prosecco approx once a week (occasionally twice, but I wouldn’t have two drinks on the same night) since I was 16 weeks or so. I felt too ropey before that to contemplate it. Always have the drink with food, always sip very slowly. I was big into wine before I got pregnant and after doing a lot of research (I do have the Emily Oster book but I read lots more research and have come to the conclusion that it’s a negligible ‘risk’ on such a small scale and felt comfortable with my decision. We are talking 1.5 units here.

DH was a bit quiet after I ordered the Prosecco. We had a nice meal and walked home, he then made himself a gin and tonic, and I had a fake version with an M&S seedlip rip off. I asked him if he was ok and why he’d been a bit off. He then said he had ‘come to terms’ with me having the odd drink at home but he’d felt really uncomfortable with me ordering anything alcoholic out in public, because I was visibly pregnant, and he was really worried about what other people in the restaurant were thinking.

I didn’t notice any judgement, and never have, but frankly I wouldn’t care if there was. He also reminded me of the time we had some family round and I had a glass of champagne, and said he’d felt unhappy about it then too.

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time) and he thinks a big reason I do it is to ‘challenge’ the patriarchy and to go against the rules, not because I truly fancy a glass of wine. This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought. We don’t really actually know many other friends that have gone through pregnancy either, but he maintains they would have cut out all alcohol. Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge. Which I would absolutely never do. I know what a unit is.

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.

He is now saying that the drinking is not something he’s comfortable with anymore and just because I have a book that says it’s fine I just have no way to know if we’ve put our unborn son at risk or not, and if he was pregnant he wouldn’t touch a drop. He can’t handle me ordering a drink in public anymore as it just makes him feel too uncomfortable- it didn’t so much when I didn’t have a bump but he hates the fact that ‘people are judging and looking at us’ now that I do.

I fully expect to get some replies about how he’s right and I am being reckless with my pregnancy, and that it’s only 9 months and why can’t I just cut it out all together, and the answer is, I had weighed up or thought I’d weighed up, whether I truly I had to, and considered myself to be in very safe limits. I like the taste of good wine and the foods it goes with. Yes I’ve tried alcohol free wine and it’s rank, I’d be more likely to cut everything out than drink pretend versions.

So I’ve just woke up this morning upset that he’s had all these thoughts about me causing harm to our baby (for what it’s worth I had a miscarriage before this pregnancy, and I know that was not down to alcohol as I hadn’t drunk at all as I lost it in the first trimester, so it didn’t affect my decision to have the odd drink in this pregnancy) and also that he’s inflicting other peoples judgments on me and just generally making me feel really bad. He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

So hit me with it- am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
Workinghardeveryday · 12/06/2021 21:22

I craved larger when I was pregnant and I don’t even like it. Never had as much as one as I know the risks and I just couldn’t drink it just in case there was a slight chance I could harm my baby. Same with all the dos snd don’ts with food, did everything as it advises.
I do understand him being embarrassed because rightly or wrongly people will judge you for drinking alcohol while pregnant or course they will!! That said it’s bang out of order for him to drink and expect you not too!!

NigellaSeed · 12/06/2021 21:25

I take your point @sweak - I didn't think my small comment would make any waves to be honest - just wanted a quick TeamFetus comment - I certainly didn't want to be nasty.

ScabbyHorse · 12/06/2021 21:28

Sounds like he was a little bit drunk himself and was being insensitive. Tell him to support you by not drinking too or be quiet. And how dare he say you could be responsible for future behaviour issues!

Zerrin13 · 12/06/2021 21:29

9 months isn't long to cope without drinking is it? 9 months to grow and develop your beautiful son. I've had 3 kids and each pregnancy I gave it my all. Wont be long before baby is here and you can get back on the sauce good and proper.

Namechangeme1 · 12/06/2021 21:29

I don't understand posters that instead the partner should give up alcohol.

It's not mens fault biology is this way - why make your partner unhappy because you can't drink?

Becoming pregnant was still your choice and it doesn't need everyone else to give up their freedoms to 'support you'. It's quite pathetic.

Sweak · 12/06/2021 21:30

@NigellaSeed

I take your point *@sweak* - I didn't think my small comment would make any waves to be honest - just wanted a quick TeamFetus comment - I certainly didn't want to be nasty.
It probably came across worse as there had already been some brutal comments.

My point on remembering theres a real person posting isn't just directed to you. Many replies on many posts are so harsh on the OP. I think in this instance the OP was either very brave or very foolish to post about this as it's very divisive! Replies were always going to end up like this. Happens time and time again on here.

OP I hope you are ok now.

Graphista · 12/06/2021 21:31

I'm sorry you're upset op. My question re whether the baby was wanted/planned was because you seem to be struggling making the changes that most make during pregnancy.

I'm honestly concerned about your relationship with alcohol and the way you're approaching pregnancy generally.

I come from a family of addicts inc alcoholics and inc women who continued to drink during pregnancy and that having caused heartache which I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Have you been completely honest with your midwife about how you feel and that you're not following quite a few of the standard guidelines?

I think it's important that you do tell her because it informs the care that you and the baby receive both now and during the Labour and childbirth.

My intent is for you to avoid the heartache that others have gone through as a result of a pregnancy not being managed as well as possible.

I've listened to and supported women who've had to live with at least the possibility and sometimes the knowledge that something they had done/not done in pregnancy had caused a negative outcome.

I want you to enjoy your pregnancy, to be confident you've done all you can to enable a healthy pregnancy, birth and baby, to feel supported by the father and hcps, to be able to enjoy the first weeks/months/years of your child's life without more worry than most have (and believe me it's a worrying time anyway!)

I'm sure you want the same so why not give yourself that gift of true peace of mind?

Namechangeme1 · 12/06/2021 21:31

It's like you developing an allergy later in life and saying your partner should also stay away from those foods? Makes no sense

WettyHainthrop · 12/06/2021 21:32

just wanted a quick TeamFetus comment

Well this is reminiscent of a dangerous rhetoric…

NigellaSeed · 12/06/2021 21:37

Nope. Pro choice. But nice try. Please move on from hating on me - it's disproportionate to my original comment

FTEngineerM · 12/06/2021 21:41

Just realised I spend way too much time on mumsnet, OP, I recognise your ‘voice’ from other threads.

Anyway; I think it’s odd that your DH didn’t care until he thought other people would judge, now he suddenly does? I don’t think he’s wrong to have concerns or bring it up to talk about it, but ultimately you have autonomy over your own body and what gets put inside it.

Sillawithans · 12/06/2021 21:44

It's 9 months just stop drinking.

timeisnotaline · 12/06/2021 21:53

[quote NigellaSeed]@Sadiecrow - yeah MN isn't posting my quotes, but all I said was poor baby. Yes, I'm taking an innocent babies side. I don't think the alcohol drinking pregnanct woman needs a hand hold. She just needs to step up and put her baby first. [/quote]
Hard to believe the person making this comment is telling other people they come across as awful. Have you a mirror?

KurtWilde · 12/06/2021 21:58

I haven't RTFT but I have read all OPs comments and honestly, it's a very strange way to view pregnancy imo. Sounds like OP isn't willing to make a few short term sacrifices without her DP having to do the same. I'd be concerned if I was a man and my pregnant partner couldn't hold off the alcohol tbh.

WettyHainthrop · 12/06/2021 22:00

@NigellaSeed

Nope. Pro choice. But nice try. Please move on from hating on me - it's disproportionate to my original comment
You mean your original comment, which was deeply unhelpful and added nothing except judgement? The one that said “poor baby Sad

That one?

FTEngineerM · 12/06/2021 22:00

She just needs to step up and put her baby first.

What am I actually reading?!
Fuck, what, she’s already a shit mother because she’s had a sippett of wine. Relax.

There are no martyr medals when they get to school.

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 12/06/2021 22:08

He is being unreasonable.

I also had the odd glass during pregnancy and continued to eat soft cheese, Parma ham, rare beef, runny eggs etc.

boomwhacker · 12/06/2021 22:13
  • He is being unreasonable.

I also had the odd glass during pregnancy and continued to eat soft cheese, Parma ham, rare beef, runny eggs etc*

Why?

Tubbs99 · 12/06/2021 22:13

@FTEngineerM

She just needs to step up and put her baby first.

What am I actually reading?!
Fuck, what, she’s already a shit mother because she’s had a sippett of wine. Relax.

There are no martyr medals when they get to school.

These are the type of neurotic, overprotective parents that I actively avoided at the school gates.
irresistibleoverwhelm · 12/06/2021 22:20

OP if I recall correctly the Danish study which came out just before I was pregnant showed that the children of mothers who drank small amounts in pregnancy had fewer behavioural difficulties and scored slightly higher on intelligence tests Grin But as I said upthread, this is one of those emotive subjects you don’t get evidence-based reasoning about on MN.

(Higher risk of listeria from bagged salads than most U.K. soft cheese, too: posters above are clutching their pearls about your deli cheeses and meats, but I bet most didn’t avoid salads!)

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 22:22

@Coldwine75

OP you are not selfish, id do the same, you enjoy that wine and your baby will be fine x
Yes @Coldwine75 username is just coincidence......not a marketing professional in the wine business at all.
Talkwhilstyouwalk · 12/06/2021 22:22

@boomwhacker

* He is being unreasonable.

I also had the odd glass during pregnancy and continued to eat soft cheese, Parma ham, rare beef, runny eggs etc*

Why?

Because there is no risk from drinking a glass here and there.

The risks of eating the things I mentioned are only relevant if you get food poisoning, and even then the chances of it having any impact on the baby is minute. The cheese I ate after it had been melted.

Each to their own. OP is pregnant, healthy and acting perfectly responsibly.

NigellaSeed · 12/06/2021 22:22

@FTengineerM gee I wish I was cool and didn't care so much about doing everything within my control to give my kid the best start in life. If only I gave less of a shit.

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 12/06/2021 22:24

@Sillawithans

It's 9 months just stop drinking.
She's talking about a glass of prosecco FFS....
Wowthisisreal · 12/06/2021 22:25

Pretty sure you can eat prawns in pregnancy..? misses the point entirely

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