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My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.

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ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 11:44

I’ve namechanged for this but I’ve been around a long time.

Last night DH and I went out for dinner. I’m 6 months pregnant. It was a lovely local Italian place and he ordered a Peroni, I ordered a glass of Prosecco. It was fairly late because he’d watched the first half of the football in the pub after work first, and I’d joined him later, so he’d already had a fair few pints beforehand.

For context, I have been having the odd (125ml) glass of wine or champagne or Prosecco approx once a week (occasionally twice, but I wouldn’t have two drinks on the same night) since I was 16 weeks or so. I felt too ropey before that to contemplate it. Always have the drink with food, always sip very slowly. I was big into wine before I got pregnant and after doing a lot of research (I do have the Emily Oster book but I read lots more research and have come to the conclusion that it’s a negligible ‘risk’ on such a small scale and felt comfortable with my decision. We are talking 1.5 units here.

DH was a bit quiet after I ordered the Prosecco. We had a nice meal and walked home, he then made himself a gin and tonic, and I had a fake version with an M&S seedlip rip off. I asked him if he was ok and why he’d been a bit off. He then said he had ‘come to terms’ with me having the odd drink at home but he’d felt really uncomfortable with me ordering anything alcoholic out in public, because I was visibly pregnant, and he was really worried about what other people in the restaurant were thinking.

I didn’t notice any judgement, and never have, but frankly I wouldn’t care if there was. He also reminded me of the time we had some family round and I had a glass of champagne, and said he’d felt unhappy about it then too.

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time) and he thinks a big reason I do it is to ‘challenge’ the patriarchy and to go against the rules, not because I truly fancy a glass of wine. This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought. We don’t really actually know many other friends that have gone through pregnancy either, but he maintains they would have cut out all alcohol. Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge. Which I would absolutely never do. I know what a unit is.

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.

He is now saying that the drinking is not something he’s comfortable with anymore and just because I have a book that says it’s fine I just have no way to know if we’ve put our unborn son at risk or not, and if he was pregnant he wouldn’t touch a drop. He can’t handle me ordering a drink in public anymore as it just makes him feel too uncomfortable- it didn’t so much when I didn’t have a bump but he hates the fact that ‘people are judging and looking at us’ now that I do.

I fully expect to get some replies about how he’s right and I am being reckless with my pregnancy, and that it’s only 9 months and why can’t I just cut it out all together, and the answer is, I had weighed up or thought I’d weighed up, whether I truly I had to, and considered myself to be in very safe limits. I like the taste of good wine and the foods it goes with. Yes I’ve tried alcohol free wine and it’s rank, I’d be more likely to cut everything out than drink pretend versions.

So I’ve just woke up this morning upset that he’s had all these thoughts about me causing harm to our baby (for what it’s worth I had a miscarriage before this pregnancy, and I know that was not down to alcohol as I hadn’t drunk at all as I lost it in the first trimester, so it didn’t affect my decision to have the odd drink in this pregnancy) and also that he’s inflicting other peoples judgments on me and just generally making me feel really bad. He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

So hit me with it- am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
lboogy · 12/06/2021 20:36

@ThymeCrisis

And of fucking course I take on board whst my own husband thinks. The upset has come from him not having a discussion with me earlier, being seemingly on the same page, and then going back on it and making me feel judged and ashamed. While he is five pints and a gin and tonic down.
The point is you shouldn't have needed your husband to endorse you drinking. You know the risks but chose one book which goes against all the advice because you wanted a drink. It's really not worth it.
ivfgottwins · 12/06/2021 20:38

While he is five pints and a gin and tonic down.

Well he's not the one who is pregnant is he?

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not *eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.
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It sounds like you are happy to pretty much ignore all the guidelines anyway - they are there for a reason......you do need to ask yourself how you would feel if god forbid something was wrong with the baby - could you live with the guilt and the "what ifs" - 99.9% of us who are/have been pregnant couldn't that's why for all of 9 months women follow the guidelines 🤷‍♀️

Mia184 · 12/06/2021 20:38

@Graphista Your post is excellent!

AngeloMysterioso · 12/06/2021 20:41

@Sweak

The OP has said this thread has made her cry. Yet people are still piling on! Just stop.

This thread is exactly what's wrong with MN. So many people can't say they disagree with the OP in a reasonable manner.

Awful isn’t it. And people will say “well, you did post in AIBU...” as if that’s a good excuse for giving a pregnant woman a kicking for having the audacity to have a glass of wine once a week.

And yet in the thread about a woman smoking over a newborn, it was all “Be kind, you don’t know what she’s going through...”

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 12/06/2021 20:41

@theleafandnotthetree yes I would because it's a regular thing, just like a PP said shopping once a week is a regular thing. But that's just me, I tend to think a lot of people drink too much in the UK anyway but having been brought up by an alcoholic and it affecting me health wise in more ways than one I do tend to be a bit sensitive to these things.

SadieCow · 12/06/2021 20:44

@CutieBear you made a totally incorrect statement and now the two glasses (occasionally) has become a few a week. Where has a few a week been said?

You are literally changing the words the OP has said, totally projecting!

I have an issue with posters like you making up absolute drivel and quoting lines, that are not there!

What next, a bottle of whiskey a day?

SadieCow · 12/06/2021 20:46

@CutieBear

She also not relying on one glass of wine every single week, that's hardly relying!

Tal45 · 12/06/2021 20:51

It's probably absolutely fine for you to have the odd glass of wine, lots of people do and your OH doesn't have to give up drink just because you do. But wouldn't it be nice if you gave up because he's worried about it and he gave up to support you so you're not having to sit there totally sober while he's downing pints.

NigellaSeed · 12/06/2021 20:54

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MilduraS · 12/06/2021 20:55

@ThursdayWeld

And official guidelines in France are for complete abstinence in pregnancy. So "but they do it on the Continent!" is once again an invalid argument.

However, practitioners’ lack of knowledge and practices around advising pregnant women about alcohol presents a challenge in France. Ms Chloé Cogordan, an addiction prevention researcher at Santé publique France, presented findings from a survey of general practitioners. The results indicated that while 82% routinely screen for smoking during pregnancy, only 61% routinely screen for alcohol use. Furthermore, despite the fact that official guidelines in France recommend complete abstinence, 23% reported that they do not provide this recommendation

Ummm having been pregnant and given birth in France I can confirm that my doctor advised me that the occasional drink during late pregnancy would be fine. I hadn't even asked. By coincidence, he said a drink every week or so.
MilduraS · 12/06/2021 20:56

Should have added. He wasn't the only doctor to say that, just the first. It seems to be a universal attitude rather than some rogue old school doctors.

Belladonna12 · 12/06/2021 21:00

I am in my 50s and when I was pregnant the guidance was one or two units once or twice a week was okay. Therefore, many people occasionally had a glass of wine to no ill effect. The guidance to drink nothing is very recent and not based on evidence that the occasional glass will do any harm so I would ignore your DH especially as he is only interested in what people think and not on whether it does any harm anyway.

NigellaSeed · 12/06/2021 21:01

@JewelGarden - would you like to elaborate on that baseless accusation? You come across as really awful, are you like this in person too or just online when it's anonymous?

iduno · 12/06/2021 21:02

I'm with him on this one. It's a risk not worth doing for the sake of a bit of alcohol. It is up to you though.

SadieCow · 12/06/2021 21:02

*And people are saying that the OP is being bullied. lmao. You're very rude.

I feel bad for a baby whose health is being risked for their mothers enjoyment of wine. Am I wrong? Where's the lie?*

@NigellaSeed who is this actually directed at? You've had a number of posters opposing your view.

cupsofcoffee · 12/06/2021 21:02

@NeonDreams

Put it this way: apart from alcohol being a toxin and carcinogen that adults can choose to drink whereas a fetus has no choice, there is a reason there is a drinking age. Alcohol is very toxic for growing bodies.

If you wouldn't give a glass of wine to a 5 year old, why would you give it to a fetus?

It's perfectly legal in England to give a 5yo a glass of wine in a private residence.

It is not illegal for a child aged five to 16 to drink alcohol at home or on other private premises.

www.drinkaware.co.uk/facts/alcohol-and-the-law/the-law-on-alcohol-and-under-18s

Ill advised and stupid? Of course. Illegal, no.

Belladonna12 · 12/06/2021 21:03

@NigellaSeed

And people are saying that the OP is being bullied. lmao. You're very rude.

I feel bad for a baby whose health is being risked for their mothers enjoyment of wine. Am I wrong? Where's the lie?

There is no evidence that the baby's health is at risk from one glass of wine a week. Quite the opposite considering that many women in the UK and other countries do have the occasional glass to no ill effect.
WettyHainthrop · 12/06/2021 21:04

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NigellaSeed · 12/06/2021 21:05

@Sadiecrow - yeah MN isn't posting my quotes, but all I said was poor baby. Yes, I'm taking an innocent babies side. I don't think the alcohol drinking pregnanct woman needs a hand hold. She just needs to step up and put her baby first.

Sweak · 12/06/2021 21:05

@NigellaSeed

And people are saying that the OP is being bullied. lmao. You're very rude.

I feel bad for a baby whose health is being risked for their mothers enjoyment of wine. Am I wrong? Where's the lie?

The point about the risks has been made (even if level of risk is disputed). I even said myself I wasn't comfortable to drink whilst pregnant. We all have different risk tolerance levels.

Going on and on about it and making comments like 'poor baby' is too much. It's berating her.

It's not just you, the comments basically implying she's an alcoholic are too much too.

When someone says they are upset you stop. Going on and on is bullying.

JewelGarden · 12/06/2021 21:08

[quote NigellaSeed]@JewelGarden - would you like to elaborate on that baseless accusation? You come across as really awful, are you like this in person too or just online when it's anonymous?[/quote]
If you were so nasty to someone in front of me in real life as you were in here, then I would be so awful to you in real life too yeah. Are you normally that nasty or do you just say things like that to people online?

NigellaSeed · 12/06/2021 21:08

@Sweak - sorry I. Haven't RTFT - it's over 400, I know, I know, commenting without RTFT is baaad, but I read the OP and the first 6 or so comments were agreeing that wine here and there is okay.

I really don't think I deserve to be told to f* off or be called sanctimonious. That's rude.

SadieCow · 12/06/2021 21:08

@NigellaSeed you're being totally ridiculous, no danger whatsoever, stop with your drama lama nonsense!

Florence3110 · 12/06/2021 21:11

@NigellaSeed

And people are saying that the OP is being bullied. lmao. You're very rude.

I feel bad for a baby whose health is being risked for their mothers enjoyment of wine. Am I wrong? Where's the lie?

I completely agree with you NigellaSeed. Some posters who claim people are bullying the OP are quite rude themselves.

Apparently it's now acceptable to drink alcohol during pregnancy. Each to their own I guess, but I wouldn't risk my baby's health for a glass of wine every week.

Sweak · 12/06/2021 21:17

[quote NigellaSeed]@Sweak - sorry I. Haven't RTFT - it's over 400, I know, I know, commenting without RTFT is baaad, but I read the OP and the first 6 or so comments were agreeing that wine here and there is okay.

I really don't think I deserve to be told to f* off or be called sanctimonious. That's rude. [/quote]
I agree that first few comments were accepting of the ops view. The tone changed fairly quickly to be a cess pit of vileness.

Let's be honest 'poor baby' added nothing to the discussion and just came across judgemental. By all means disagree with the OP, but 'poor baby' isn't nice or giving any facts to explain why you agree with the husband.

The OP is a real person with feelings. Remember that before posting.

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