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My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.

775 replies

ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 11:44

I’ve namechanged for this but I’ve been around a long time.

Last night DH and I went out for dinner. I’m 6 months pregnant. It was a lovely local Italian place and he ordered a Peroni, I ordered a glass of Prosecco. It was fairly late because he’d watched the first half of the football in the pub after work first, and I’d joined him later, so he’d already had a fair few pints beforehand.

For context, I have been having the odd (125ml) glass of wine or champagne or Prosecco approx once a week (occasionally twice, but I wouldn’t have two drinks on the same night) since I was 16 weeks or so. I felt too ropey before that to contemplate it. Always have the drink with food, always sip very slowly. I was big into wine before I got pregnant and after doing a lot of research (I do have the Emily Oster book but I read lots more research and have come to the conclusion that it’s a negligible ‘risk’ on such a small scale and felt comfortable with my decision. We are talking 1.5 units here.

DH was a bit quiet after I ordered the Prosecco. We had a nice meal and walked home, he then made himself a gin and tonic, and I had a fake version with an M&S seedlip rip off. I asked him if he was ok and why he’d been a bit off. He then said he had ‘come to terms’ with me having the odd drink at home but he’d felt really uncomfortable with me ordering anything alcoholic out in public, because I was visibly pregnant, and he was really worried about what other people in the restaurant were thinking.

I didn’t notice any judgement, and never have, but frankly I wouldn’t care if there was. He also reminded me of the time we had some family round and I had a glass of champagne, and said he’d felt unhappy about it then too.

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time) and he thinks a big reason I do it is to ‘challenge’ the patriarchy and to go against the rules, not because I truly fancy a glass of wine. This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought. We don’t really actually know many other friends that have gone through pregnancy either, but he maintains they would have cut out all alcohol. Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge. Which I would absolutely never do. I know what a unit is.

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.

He is now saying that the drinking is not something he’s comfortable with anymore and just because I have a book that says it’s fine I just have no way to know if we’ve put our unborn son at risk or not, and if he was pregnant he wouldn’t touch a drop. He can’t handle me ordering a drink in public anymore as it just makes him feel too uncomfortable- it didn’t so much when I didn’t have a bump but he hates the fact that ‘people are judging and looking at us’ now that I do.

I fully expect to get some replies about how he’s right and I am being reckless with my pregnancy, and that it’s only 9 months and why can’t I just cut it out all together, and the answer is, I had weighed up or thought I’d weighed up, whether I truly I had to, and considered myself to be in very safe limits. I like the taste of good wine and the foods it goes with. Yes I’ve tried alcohol free wine and it’s rank, I’d be more likely to cut everything out than drink pretend versions.

So I’ve just woke up this morning upset that he’s had all these thoughts about me causing harm to our baby (for what it’s worth I had a miscarriage before this pregnancy, and I know that was not down to alcohol as I hadn’t drunk at all as I lost it in the first trimester, so it didn’t affect my decision to have the odd drink in this pregnancy) and also that he’s inflicting other peoples judgments on me and just generally making me feel really bad. He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

So hit me with it- am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 19:50

*spent the afternoon in tears

OP posts:
Coldwine75 · 12/06/2021 19:50

A glass each week or even 2 etc will no do any harm, enjoy it . I drank a glass or 2 most weeks in my pregnancies and all fine

Kisskiss · 12/06/2021 19:50

I think you should follow nhs guidelines, it’s literally only 9 months… why take the risk? Ditto for the steak, I absolutely love rare steak/steak tartare, after reading exactly what toxoplasmosis is and does, I’ve stopped myself eating it , I’ll stuff myself when this is over..
it’s also his baby so I can see where he’s coming from, however I think he should be a bit more supportive and maybe not drink in front of you if it makes you crave a drink too

WettyHainthrop · 12/06/2021 19:51

For fuck sake, this thread makes horrifying reading. Simply for the vituperative policing and judgement of pregnant women by other women.

ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 19:52

And of fucking course I take on board whst my own husband thinks. The upset has come from him not having a discussion with me earlier, being seemingly on the same page, and then going back on it and making me feel judged and ashamed. While he is five pints and a gin and tonic down.

OP posts:
SadieCow · 12/06/2021 19:52

Oh give over @NigellaSeed

Sweak · 12/06/2021 19:53

@WettyHainthrop

For fuck sake, this thread makes horrifying reading. Simply for the vituperative policing and judgement of pregnant women by other women.
Yes it's going too far. People should make their point without boarding on bullying the op
Coldwine75 · 12/06/2021 19:54

OP you are not selfish, id do the same, you enjoy that wine and your baby will be fine x

Hyppogriff · 12/06/2021 19:56

I agree with your husband. Why bother ? I’m sure your advanced medical research degree makes you uniquely qualified to make your own path.

Sweak · 12/06/2021 19:56

@ThymeCrisis I think it was to be expected it would end this way on here. I would just hide the thread now, no point getting more upset. People forget there's a real person behind the posts.

Checkingout811 · 12/06/2021 19:57

Yeah he might be 5 pints and a G&T down but he’s not pregnant is he!!

justwant2beamum · 12/06/2021 19:58

YABU. I personally can't believe youd be willing to take any chances, it's the rest of your baby's life snd its 9 months. Also it's his baby too. I think it's very selfish and find it hard to believe after having a miscarriage myself and desperate for a baby and already following all nhs pregnancy guidelines, that someone who's been through that devastating experience can be so reckless and blasé.

cupsofcoffee · 12/06/2021 19:59

You consider having 52 units of alcohol in a YEAR to be a 'regular' drinker, seriously?

Well, yes. The definition of regular is "recurring at uniform intervals" - so a weekly drink is a regular thing.

In the same way, I would describe my weekly horse-riding lessons as "regular". My Morrisons' shop comes every Wednesday and that's a regular thing too.

PixieDust28 · 12/06/2021 20:00

Listen, you're husband isn't the one that is pregnant. That's as silly as saying if you're on a diet he shouldn't eat chocolate in front of you. He can have a drink.

Pregnancy feels like a long time, but it isn't. You know you're sacrificing certain things when trying for a family. It's 9 months. Not 9 years.

PixieDust28 · 12/06/2021 20:00

Your*

Tubbs99 · 12/06/2021 20:01

Op just hide this thread. Don’t let a bunch of randoms on the internet bully you. Look after yourself and if you’d like an occasional glass of alcohol, have one Flowers

theleafandnotthetree · 12/06/2021 20:02

@NigellaSeed

Poor baby. :(
Well I for one would rather have a mother that had a drink once a week than someone who would write something so bloody ridiculous and stick the boot in on a thread where the OP has already been lambasted. You and your kind are showing little concern for the 'poor baby' in attacking its mother and leaving her in tears

Poor baby indeed, if only we lived in a world where on a spectrum of bad things someone could do, this was amongst the worst as some here are portraying it.

notanothertakeaway · 12/06/2021 20:03

At times, my DH and I have has different views about what is (or not) OK. Early on, we agreed that we would always go for the safe / cautious option ie in your case, no alcohol

Coldwine75 · 12/06/2021 20:04

Oh shut up no alcohol posters and leave her alone.

cupsofcoffee · 12/06/2021 20:04

@godmum56

cupsofcoffee "But he's not pregnant. I don't know why people insist on making this comparison - it's very odd ime."

its called "support"

and one or two glasses a week is NOT dependant FFS

But he's not pregnant. There's NO reason why he should have to give up alcohol. He doesn't need to give up alcohol to support her. That implies (to me) that she has a problem if she finds that necessary.

Until men can get pregnant, it's a totally bizarre thing to criticise them for.

ThursdayWeld · 12/06/2021 20:05

Smoking in pregnancy was once fine. In years to come, drinking in pregnancy will be looked on the same way.

And no, on "the continent" pregnant women do not drink more than we do in the UK.

womensmentalhealth.org/posts/alcohol-pregnancy-attitudes-around-globe/

Needaholidayplease · 12/06/2021 20:05

God this thread is a big metaphor for the whole of motherhood.
OP, you're a sensible adult and you don't need to be judged by anyone else. Everyone makes their own decisions when it comes to parenting. Yes it's in agreement with your partner, but negotiating that is part of being a parent. Other than the two of you, no one has any right to cast judgement on what you do (also- don't invite judgement! Just do what you want and think best for your situation!)
Fwiw, I've never felt so un-myself in pregnancy, like I was just a vessel for everyone else's opinions. Horrible

ThursdayWeld · 12/06/2021 20:06

A recent study looked at 7000 women in 11 European countries assessed the proportion of women in Europe who drink alcohol during pregnancy. Almost 16% of women living in Europe consumed alcohol during pregnancy. The countries with the highest proportion of women reporting alcohol consumption during pregnancy were the United Kingdom (28.5 %), Russia (26.5 %) and Switzerland (20.9 %). The countries with the lowest proportion of women reporting alcohol consumption were Norway (4.1 %), Sweden (7.2 %) and Poland (9.7 %)

Coldwine75 · 12/06/2021 20:07

It is a big metaphor for the whole of motherhood, once you become a mother you will have people judging you:

Bottle feeding
sleeping
night time
what they eat
when they walk
when they talk
what they wear

Its non stop from day 1, but clearly already people are judging and your baby isnt here yet, ignore them x

ThursdayWeld · 12/06/2021 20:07

Although the WHO states that A specific public health issue on the Conference agenda was alcohol and pregnancy. Recent estimates show that the prevalence of alcohol use during pregnancy as well as fetal alcohol syndrome is higher in France than in the rest of the WHO European Region

So, sure, they may drink more during pregnancy in France. But guess what...

www.euro.who.int/en/countries/france/news/news/2017/07/alcohol-and-pregnancy-on-the-agenda-at-the-national-public-health-conference-in-france