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My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.

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ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 11:44

I’ve namechanged for this but I’ve been around a long time.

Last night DH and I went out for dinner. I’m 6 months pregnant. It was a lovely local Italian place and he ordered a Peroni, I ordered a glass of Prosecco. It was fairly late because he’d watched the first half of the football in the pub after work first, and I’d joined him later, so he’d already had a fair few pints beforehand.

For context, I have been having the odd (125ml) glass of wine or champagne or Prosecco approx once a week (occasionally twice, but I wouldn’t have two drinks on the same night) since I was 16 weeks or so. I felt too ropey before that to contemplate it. Always have the drink with food, always sip very slowly. I was big into wine before I got pregnant and after doing a lot of research (I do have the Emily Oster book but I read lots more research and have come to the conclusion that it’s a negligible ‘risk’ on such a small scale and felt comfortable with my decision. We are talking 1.5 units here.

DH was a bit quiet after I ordered the Prosecco. We had a nice meal and walked home, he then made himself a gin and tonic, and I had a fake version with an M&S seedlip rip off. I asked him if he was ok and why he’d been a bit off. He then said he had ‘come to terms’ with me having the odd drink at home but he’d felt really uncomfortable with me ordering anything alcoholic out in public, because I was visibly pregnant, and he was really worried about what other people in the restaurant were thinking.

I didn’t notice any judgement, and never have, but frankly I wouldn’t care if there was. He also reminded me of the time we had some family round and I had a glass of champagne, and said he’d felt unhappy about it then too.

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time) and he thinks a big reason I do it is to ‘challenge’ the patriarchy and to go against the rules, not because I truly fancy a glass of wine. This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought. We don’t really actually know many other friends that have gone through pregnancy either, but he maintains they would have cut out all alcohol. Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge. Which I would absolutely never do. I know what a unit is.

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.

He is now saying that the drinking is not something he’s comfortable with anymore and just because I have a book that says it’s fine I just have no way to know if we’ve put our unborn son at risk or not, and if he was pregnant he wouldn’t touch a drop. He can’t handle me ordering a drink in public anymore as it just makes him feel too uncomfortable- it didn’t so much when I didn’t have a bump but he hates the fact that ‘people are judging and looking at us’ now that I do.

I fully expect to get some replies about how he’s right and I am being reckless with my pregnancy, and that it’s only 9 months and why can’t I just cut it out all together, and the answer is, I had weighed up or thought I’d weighed up, whether I truly I had to, and considered myself to be in very safe limits. I like the taste of good wine and the foods it goes with. Yes I’ve tried alcohol free wine and it’s rank, I’d be more likely to cut everything out than drink pretend versions.

So I’ve just woke up this morning upset that he’s had all these thoughts about me causing harm to our baby (for what it’s worth I had a miscarriage before this pregnancy, and I know that was not down to alcohol as I hadn’t drunk at all as I lost it in the first trimester, so it didn’t affect my decision to have the odd drink in this pregnancy) and also that he’s inflicting other peoples judgments on me and just generally making me feel really bad. He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

So hit me with it- am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
ivfgottwins · 12/06/2021 15:21

OP you aren't being "attacked" you just don't have anyone agreeing with you - it's the not same thing 🤷‍♀️

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 15:23

[quote Nightbear]www.independent.co.uk/news/health/pregnancy-drinking-units-allowed-health-baby-harm-a7941316.html[/quote]
Yeah sure a study that measured only the birth weight as evidence of harm. Nothing done to look at the internal damage alcohol consumption does- no looking at whether the baby hit developmental milestones or had lower IQ or was later diagnosed with a learning disability.

Sweak · 12/06/2021 15:24

The problem with the 'your body, your choice' argument is where does it end? I mean by that argument you could do heroin whilst pregnant (not saying the OPs drinks are in any way as dangerous or irresponsible to be clear). The problem with that argument is you are sharing your body for a few months so it's not just 'your body'.

There seems to be a lot of posters insinuating pregnancy advise is 'controlling women.' I just find it a bs argument. Not everything is about patriarchy.

At the levels the op is drinking I'm sure the risk is minimal, but that's not to say there are no risks at all. It's not controlling women it's facts.

HotPotatoHotPotato21 · 12/06/2021 15:24

When I had my first child two years ago, the NHS advice was one unit a couple of times a week was absolutely fine. I am currently pregnant again and checked why the advise has changed. One of the main factors in saying no alcohol now is because most people don't actually know what one unit is so were having too much. I have chosen to have a small glass every now and then in this pregnancy, although did go out last night and avoided any as I'm obviously pregnant and didn't want the judgement. I have also read lots of information on alcohol in pregnancy and am comfortable with my decision.
If my husband was against me drinking, I would suggest as pp mentions and both give up alcohol completely for the remainder of the pregnancy.

awaketoosoon · 12/06/2021 15:25

I was amused to read an article in The Times recently about the deterioration in sperm quality in which, believe it or not, men were not blamed a single time.....

Typical

Polkadots2021 · 12/06/2021 15:25

I don't think either of you is unreasonable! You're both in the mindset of what is safest for your baby and couples often argue about disagreements relating to childcare decisions.

You both have the right to feel like you do. If he feels very strongly about it, and is genuinely worried about it, he's probably upset at the lack of control he has over this particular worry. If it's possible I'd try to appreciate his position as healthy parental concern directed toward the baby rather than negative judgement directed at you.

Nightbear · 12/06/2021 15:26

There’s nothing to say that very low level alcohol consumption does cause damage. There’s nothing to say it doesn’t. It’s not a choice I’d make but FASD goes hand in hand with heavy drinking.

bitheby · 12/06/2021 15:27

You're both entitled to your opinions and your feelings and neither of YABU. I would be more on his side of things than yours but it's up to you to make your own choices and yup to both of you to make peace with each other's choices or compromise accordingly.

thedancingbear · 12/06/2021 15:27

[quote Nightbear]www.independent.co.uk/news/health/pregnancy-drinking-units-allowed-health-baby-harm-a7941316.html[/quote]
Tbf, a quick skim of the main academic papers suggests that there are conflicting studies wrt whether light drinking is likely to cause harm. But the two meta-analyses suggest that there is a risk, albeit obviously a smaller one than getting leathered every night.

But query whether the OP's twice-a-week drinking truly falls into the 'light drinking category'. I suppose factors such as her size and metabolism would be relevant. This all feeds into the consistent public health message that there is no safe level of drinking during pregnancy.

And a study that only looks at birth weight is, obviously, meaningless, as is a Harley Street GP telling his paying clients what they want to hear.

areforumsstillathing · 12/06/2021 15:28

I’m 24 weeks and been tee total since 4 weeks when I found out. I was a pretty heavy drinker before I got pregnant tbh (4ish glasses twice a week) but still managed to stop for the sake of my baby. It’s true it’s your body but it’s not just your baby and if your DH wants you to stop then you should. But I would ask him to stop too in solidarity (at least while you’re out together). I think that’s fair and shows he’s willing to make a sacrifice for his baby too.

LadyCluck · 12/06/2021 15:28

YANBU having the odd glass.

If it annoys him so much, would he be willing to go alcohol free for 9 months?

laidbacklife · 12/06/2021 15:29

What you’re doing is perfectly fine and a very balanced approach. Not anyone else’s business frankly. There’s actually no defined ‘safe’ amount of alcohol for anyone to drink, regardless of gender or pregnancy, which is why it always says ‘recommended’. You know how well or badly your body copes with alcohol and it sounds like you’re regulating your intake just fine. Shame about your DH’s attitude.

thedancingbear · 12/06/2021 15:29

@awaketoosoon

I was amused to read an article in The Times recently about the deterioration in sperm quality in which, believe it or not, men were not blamed a single time.....

Typical

It's not comparable. The risk with low sperm count is that pregnancy does not occur at all, which given the world is over-populated, is a far less negative outcome than brain and body deformities.
PixieDust28 · 12/06/2021 15:31

You posted in AIBU to say YANBU Hmm.

I don't get how you can go 16 weeks but now crave a drink every week for 'pleasure'. You decided to take up drinking once a week when your baby is growing the most and developing features etc.

You're not being attacked.

Cannes12 · 12/06/2021 15:32

I think you should agree tk give up alcohol if he does so too.

ArnoldJudasRimmer · 12/06/2021 15:33

@Funfortheroad

I'm with your DP. I would never drink in pregnancy and I do judge others who do (sorry, but that's the truth - though I wouldn't say it to someone's face). I feel sorry for your DP as he has to see potential harm being caused to his baby regularly and he isn't allowed to stop it. As well as worried, I'd be mortified if my partner openly in public did something that had the potential to harm our baby.

How much alcohol do you think would be ok to give to a newborn baby? Any at all? It's the same thing. Alcohol does real damage to babies. I think it's a bit worrying that you can't set it aside for a short time and your DH sounds worried too.

I more or less agree ^

There seem to be assumptions that those disagreeing with OP are being sanctimonious. Yes I would look negatively on her drinking while pregnant if I saw her in public, but I wouldn't say anything to her. She's asked for opinions here, and I think YABU, very much so.
I wouldn't tell her what to do with her pregnancy/body, but I do feel sorry for her husband having to watch her drinking knowing it carries a risk, however small.

SpaceOp · 12/06/2021 15:35

And a study that only looks at birth weight is, obviously, meaningless, as is a Harley Street GP telling his paying clients what they want to hear.

Wow. So a person should listen to a bunch of people on the internet instead of someone who is well regarded, experienced, and professionally trained? Hahahahaha. Amazingly low view of doctors there. Also, it was a she. Internalised misogyny much?

Chamomileteaplease · 12/06/2021 15:36

@ThymeCrisis I can't comment on the safety of alcohol whilst pregnant as it's a long time since I have looked that up but please can you answer posters' questions about whether you could ask your dh to give up alcohol to support you? Or whether he could only have 1.5 units a week too?

He sounds rather smug and superior and it would be great to test his mettle.

SpaceOp · 12/06/2021 15:38

The risk with low sperm count is that pregnancy does not occur at all, which given the world is over-populated, is a far less negative outcome than brain and body deformities.

The point I was making is that low sperm count is not blamed on men, while women are blamed for everything. You may or may not think low sperm count is an issue, but nonetheless, you've spectacularly missed the point that something that ONLY happens to men is not, miraculously, blamed on men.

Also, while overpopulation is a problem theoretically, a quick read of the press would tell you that right now lots of countries are, in fact, very concerned about the impact of low birth rates.

SpaceOp · 12/06/2021 15:39

Also, issues with female fertility are almost always positioned as the fault of women (individually or collectively)....

WithANameLikeDaniCalifornia · 12/06/2021 15:40

Mumsnet - where women’s feelings and wants are more important than a baby’s health

AngeloMysterioso · 12/06/2021 15:43

@PlanDeRaccordement

Alcohol was one of my friends joys too, and then her DS was born with fetal alcohol syndrome. She said she only drank occasionally and never got tipsy. I and everyone else thought she was being reckless and selfish. Now she has a disabled son to raise and every day she is reminded that she caused his disabilities because she couldn’t just not drink alcohol for 9 measly months.
Meanwhile, I have a friend who didn’t even realise she was pregnant til she was about 7.5ish months gone and had partied and drunk like a fish up until that point, including two hen weekends, two weddings and a girls holiday in Marbella. Her son is now a strapping sport mad 11 year old who just got into private school on a full scholarship.
Bentoforthehorde · 12/06/2021 15:45

Fucking hell some posters on here are pricks.

OP welcome to parenthood where every part of your life is now fair game for strangers.

AIBU is usually a bit hostile.

Witchesbelazy · 12/06/2021 15:46

Nhs advice two years ago wasn’t some was fine. It was none.

hoven · 12/06/2021 15:48

YABU. If you choose to drink in your pregnancy knowing the risks that is fine, but he has every right to be worried about the effect it is having on his unborn baby. You say he is only concerned with what other people think, but if he had to 'come to terms' with you drinking while pregnant at home, he is obviously concerned about the risk to the baby also

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