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My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.

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ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 11:44

I’ve namechanged for this but I’ve been around a long time.

Last night DH and I went out for dinner. I’m 6 months pregnant. It was a lovely local Italian place and he ordered a Peroni, I ordered a glass of Prosecco. It was fairly late because he’d watched the first half of the football in the pub after work first, and I’d joined him later, so he’d already had a fair few pints beforehand.

For context, I have been having the odd (125ml) glass of wine or champagne or Prosecco approx once a week (occasionally twice, but I wouldn’t have two drinks on the same night) since I was 16 weeks or so. I felt too ropey before that to contemplate it. Always have the drink with food, always sip very slowly. I was big into wine before I got pregnant and after doing a lot of research (I do have the Emily Oster book but I read lots more research and have come to the conclusion that it’s a negligible ‘risk’ on such a small scale and felt comfortable with my decision. We are talking 1.5 units here.

DH was a bit quiet after I ordered the Prosecco. We had a nice meal and walked home, he then made himself a gin and tonic, and I had a fake version with an M&S seedlip rip off. I asked him if he was ok and why he’d been a bit off. He then said he had ‘come to terms’ with me having the odd drink at home but he’d felt really uncomfortable with me ordering anything alcoholic out in public, because I was visibly pregnant, and he was really worried about what other people in the restaurant were thinking.

I didn’t notice any judgement, and never have, but frankly I wouldn’t care if there was. He also reminded me of the time we had some family round and I had a glass of champagne, and said he’d felt unhappy about it then too.

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time) and he thinks a big reason I do it is to ‘challenge’ the patriarchy and to go against the rules, not because I truly fancy a glass of wine. This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought. We don’t really actually know many other friends that have gone through pregnancy either, but he maintains they would have cut out all alcohol. Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge. Which I would absolutely never do. I know what a unit is.

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.

He is now saying that the drinking is not something he’s comfortable with anymore and just because I have a book that says it’s fine I just have no way to know if we’ve put our unborn son at risk or not, and if he was pregnant he wouldn’t touch a drop. He can’t handle me ordering a drink in public anymore as it just makes him feel too uncomfortable- it didn’t so much when I didn’t have a bump but he hates the fact that ‘people are judging and looking at us’ now that I do.

I fully expect to get some replies about how he’s right and I am being reckless with my pregnancy, and that it’s only 9 months and why can’t I just cut it out all together, and the answer is, I had weighed up or thought I’d weighed up, whether I truly I had to, and considered myself to be in very safe limits. I like the taste of good wine and the foods it goes with. Yes I’ve tried alcohol free wine and it’s rank, I’d be more likely to cut everything out than drink pretend versions.

So I’ve just woke up this morning upset that he’s had all these thoughts about me causing harm to our baby (for what it’s worth I had a miscarriage before this pregnancy, and I know that was not down to alcohol as I hadn’t drunk at all as I lost it in the first trimester, so it didn’t affect my decision to have the odd drink in this pregnancy) and also that he’s inflicting other peoples judgments on me and just generally making me feel really bad. He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

So hit me with it- am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
Gentleness · 12/06/2021 14:52

I would put forward the idea that you both give up alcohol for the rest of the pregnancy for mutual support and togetherness.

But either way, if he has indicated he might link any future problems to the alcohol, you need to bash that out together. My inclination would be to stop drinking alcohol while you do that, and while he does his own research.

It's fair enough that he feels uncomfortable with pregnant women drinking publicly. I think that would be the most common reaction given public health information. While you are focusing on it being because he's embarrassed, it could just as well be that the presence of other people has brought new focus. He didn't leap in, but talked later about how his feelings have changed as the bump has become more visible and he's thinking more about the reality of a baby.

frankenpoodle · 12/06/2021 14:54

You're both unreasonable.

Him because he seems to be more concerned about being judged than any potential risk to the baby, and you because... well, it is only nine months, and sorry, I do judge women who drink or smoke during pregnancy. It's their choice to do so, blah blah blah, but I don't think it's worth even the slimmest risk. It makes me respect someone less when I know they can't cut out the alcohol during pregnancy.

DappledThings · 12/06/2021 14:55

@innabun

NHS guidance. Personally I'd just use formula then you can enjoy your wine
The guidance you linked to there pointing out the dangers of bedsharing after a drink, a definite no but then just went onnto suggest a limit of 14 units a week, which is the standard guidance for a woman anyway.

Having a drink while breastfeeding is fine. Being drunk and responsible for an infant is not.

thedancingbear · 12/06/2021 14:55

@C8H10N4O2

What would that achieve? Are you 6?

It would achieve a bit of solidarity with his partner for one thing. A man drinking significant volumes lecturing a woman for the odd small glass is not supporting her he is undermining her.

I've watched an ever increasing list of controls appear on pregnant women since I had mine, most of which are not evidence based, some have come and gone as they were proven false. Stick to actual evidence before you lecture and judge women. There is none to say the occasional small glass is a problem.

FGS. it's not about controlling women, it's about protecting children from brain damage.

And the OP's drinking is not 'occasional'. It's twice weekly. It's every few days. How confident are you that she is drinking at a level that does not risk permanently damaging her child?

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 14:57

@C8H10N4O2
There is none to say the occasional small glass is a problem.

This is nonsense. Please read this basic primer regarding impact of alcohol use. sites.duke.edu/fasd/introduction/

C8H10N4O2 · 12/06/2021 14:59

FGS. it's not about controlling women, it's about protecting children from brain damage

I said there is no evidence that the occasional small glass in the latter stages of pregnancy is a risk and there isn't.

You are not protecting a child from "brain damage" by telling women in the latter stages of pregnancy that the occasional small glass will cause brain damage you are restricting women with no justifying evidence.

InnaBun · 12/06/2021 14:59

@DappledThings yes I know. I posted it to be helpful and then said what I would personally do. Especially if my husband was going to keep making comments which I found stopped me enjoying my wine.

InnaBun · 12/06/2021 15:00

Oh and I personally wouldn't be able to drink and look after a newborn but I don't know OP's limits.

C8H10N4O2 · 12/06/2021 15:01

This is nonsense. Please read this basic primer regarding impact of alcohol use

I'm aware of FASD. I've also spent time analysing the underlying data of cohort and other studies on factors effecting foetal development. None of them have correlated the occasional small glass in late pregnancy with FASD. Plenty of evidence that volume is a problem, including the impact on male sperm.

Clymene · 12/06/2021 15:01

OP - MN really isn't the place to have this discussion because it's full of sanctimonious women who enjoy nothing more than judging an informed choice by another woman.

I think your husband is being a dick personally and I hate the way that women's bodies become public property when they are pregnant. I would be particularly annoyed at being lectured by a bloke who is over the limit.

C8H10N4O2 · 12/06/2021 15:02

@Clymene

OP - MN really isn't the place to have this discussion because it's full of sanctimonious women who enjoy nothing more than judging an informed choice by another woman.

I think your husband is being a dick personally and I hate the way that women's bodies become public property when they are pregnant. I would be particularly annoyed at being lectured by a bloke who is over the limit.

^This
PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 15:02

@C8H10N4O2

This is nonsense. Please read this basic primer regarding impact of alcohol use

I'm aware of FASD. I've also spent time analysing the underlying data of cohort and other studies on factors effecting foetal development. None of them have correlated the occasional small glass in late pregnancy with FASD. Plenty of evidence that volume is a problem, including the impact on male sperm.

But OPs rate of drinking isn’t occasional, it’s chronic.
Triffid1 · 12/06/2021 15:04

I have read page 1 and your posts. I don't need to read the other pages because I'm guessing you're being told about what a terrible person you are with a large smattering of people saying that DH has the right to have some input too?

And I say BOLLOCKS TO THAT. Funny how when TTC, I've yet to meet a man who thinks hat perhaps he should improve his health/stop drinking/ low weight etc to make sure his sperm is in tip top condition but they're all quick to comment on a woman's behaviour in pregnancy.

Does he have strong feelings on how you should give birth, what pain relief you should be allowed to use and whether or not you should breastfeed? Or, at least, does he have strong feelings on those things based on his views of what other people think?

As the father, of course he has the right to worry about things. But he is so clearly not THAT worried. Also, has he bothered to do any of this research that I bet you have spent hours doing? If he's so concerned, why is he only bringing it up now? If it's such a major issue, what is he willing to do to help you"stop".

I'm getting more angry by the second as I think about this.

Funfortheroad · 12/06/2021 15:05

@Clymene

OP - MN really isn't the place to have this discussion because it's full of sanctimonious women who enjoy nothing more than judging an informed choice by another woman.

I think your husband is being a dick personally and I hate the way that women's bodies become public property when they are pregnant. I would be particularly annoyed at being lectured by a bloke who is over the limit.

I totally disagree. I've actually found the discussion very much swayed towards the normalisation of alcohol dependency on Mumsnet tbh.
thedancingbear · 12/06/2021 15:07

@C8H10N4O2

FGS. it's not about controlling women, it's about protecting children from brain damage

I said there is no evidence that the occasional small glass in the latter stages of pregnancy is a risk and there isn't.

You are not protecting a child from "brain damage" by telling women in the latter stages of pregnancy that the occasional small glass will cause brain damage you are restricting women with no justifying evidence.

FGS. She is not drinking occasional small glasses of wine. She is drinking a standard pub measure, twice a week (by her account; it's tempting to suspect more).
Sweak · 12/06/2021 15:10

@Clymene

OP - MN really isn't the place to have this discussion because it's full of sanctimonious women who enjoy nothing more than judging an informed choice by another woman.

I think your husband is being a dick personally and I hate the way that women's bodies become public property when they are pregnant. I would be particularly annoyed at being lectured by a bloke who is over the limit.

It's a forum and you are going to get suffering opinions. Plenty of posters have been measured in their responses that they agree with the husband, not sanctimonious.

I again would say her choice is 'informed' by the research which justifies her choice. There is also research to refute her choice. Truth is it's unclear that's why lots of women abstain. Really hate the implication by some posters (not this one) that taking NHS guidance at face value isn't informed.

Nightbear · 12/06/2021 15:11

125ml is a small glass

boomwhacker · 12/06/2021 15:11

I'm not sure that a glass of wine or two a week constitutes "an occasional drink" to be honest and I agree with your DH. I didn't drink at all during pregnancy as the risk was not worth it to me for the sake of a glass of wine. I just don't care that much about alcohol that I would risk my unborn child's health. I agree with the PPs who have questioned your extensive justification of it OP and wonder why you need to drink?

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 15:12

You are not protecting a child from "brain damage" by telling women in the latter stages of pregnancy that the occasional small glass will cause brain damage you are restricting women with no justifying evidence.

Chronic drinking, even the 3-4 units a week OP “says” she consumes can absolutely affect brain development.

My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.
Sweak · 12/06/2021 15:13

But OPs rate of drinking isn’t occasional, it’s chronic.

I think chronic is a bit of an exaggeration to be fair to the op.

thedancingbear · 12/06/2021 15:15

@PlanDeRaccordement

You are not protecting a child from "brain damage" by telling women in the latter stages of pregnancy that the occasional small glass will cause brain damage you are restricting women with no justifying evidence.

Chronic drinking, even the 3-4 units a week OP “says” she consumes can absolutely affect brain development.

Some posters are not interested in facts, unfortunately.
Sittinginthesand · 12/06/2021 15:16

It’s such a short time, I can’t understand anyone who could enjoy a glass of wine knowing there was even a tiny chance it might harm their baby. So yes, I judge you, it’s selfish; you are putting your wishes ahead of your babies health. A glass on Christmas Day or at wedding maybe, more than that, no.

SpaceOp · 12/06/2021 15:17

My extremely well paid, well regarded, private Harley Street Consultant who helped me get pregnant and monitored me throughout was of the opinion that by the third trimester, a small glass most nights was probably not a bad thing.

At the end of the day OP, contrary to what many on here think, it IS your body and your choice and you have clearly made a decision based on your own risk analysis and risk profile.

Women absolutely do get their bodies policed, especially in pregnancy, and it's not okay. I was amused** to read an article in The Times recently about the deterioration in sperm quality in which, believe it or not, men were not blamed a single time.....

**not really amused at all

thedancingbear · 12/06/2021 15:17

@Nightbear

125ml is a small glass
When I worked in pubs and bars 125ml was a glass of wine. The fact that some places will now sell you a third of a bottle in a bucket doesn't change that.
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