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Do I make DD give up rainbows/brownies because of school?

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RainbowsBrowniesLove · 10/06/2021 18:04

DD is 6, very nearly 7 (end of July). Year 2.

Every week she has spellings and 2 pieces of homework to do.

If they get less than 50% on their spelling test on a Friday morning they lose 15 minutes of golden time on Friday afternoon.

If homework isn’t handed in on Thursday they lose 15 minutes of golden time on Friday to do the homework – so can lose half an hour.

They can also lose up to 15 minutes for bad behaviour throughout the week, so in theory they can lose the entire hour of golden time.

DD never does her homework. We do the reading and spellings but never the homework so she only ever gets at most 30 minutes of golden time.

1 night a week she swims for a half hour lesson immediately after school, we come home and she’s often tired but will attempt reading and sometimes spellings. If she’s too tired we read again in the morning, and I try and test her spellings on the walk to school but she doesn’t always want to.

1 night a week we go from school, have a quick bite to eat, change into rainbows uniform and off we go. This is currently a few nights after swimming but when she moves to Brownies after October Half Term it’ll be the night before swimming (Swimming is Tuesday and Rainbows Thursday, Brownies will be Mondays)

She will have to spell between 8 and 12 spellings, she usually gets between 0 and 3 right. School are saying she needs extra practice an extra night a week. Spellings are given out Monday after Fridays test so can’t even do extra practice over the weekend.

Part of me thinks she should give up Rainbows/Brownies to help school work as she can’t give up swimming for safety and medical reasons – we live in a town with a fast flowing river, a canal and a small lake, and she has a medical issue that’s greatly improved by swimming, school do 1 term of swimming in year 4 that’s it due to where the pool is compared to school (it’s not easily walkable so they have to charge parents to go and they never get 100% payment so it’s not financially feasible to do it more often) so she needs to learn to swim and the effect on her medical condition means I will not be stopping those lessons.

But then another part of me thinks that she was behind when she started school in 2018* and she benefits so much from Rainbows – she talks about it for days afterwards, has invited some of the girls from there to her party in July (she doesn’t know they’re coming though, as I haven’t told her yet) and it’s the one place she’s not with classmates (like at swimming) so not comparing herself to others. It’s one of the few places she’s her for her and not for her difficulties – she does everything at the same time as all the other girls, wears the same clothes/uniform and no-one but the group leader knows of her difficulties (none of the other leaders/helpers know as group leader felt it was need to know only). So I don’t want her to give that up. Also selfishly I was never allowed to join guiding as a child and always wanted to so the fact DD loves it also makes me incredibly happy.

*When she started school in 2018 she was 12 months behind and spent parts of the day in Reception out of the classroom with a TA trying to “plug the gaps”. Because of lockdown and her being unable to engage with most of the home learning (and school refusing her a place despite me, DDs paediatrician and DDs teacher begging for a place for her) and some medical treatment before Christmas where she missed a few weeks she’s now around 18 months behind. She has a communication disorder caused by joint problems that also cause mobility issues, she can also have issues with making it to the toilet on time. School also think she might be dyslexic and/or have hearing issues but won’t refer her for dyslexia assessment until the Christmas of year 3. She is also not currently getting targetted support school say due to covid, and it's obvious she's struggling with the actual work as well as spellings.

My ramblings come after we walked back from rainbows and I was testing her spellings for the week and she can’t spell any of them. We’ve practiced 3 times this week and she’s not got any right despite the practice.

For added context I am a single parent and she goes to ExH EOW, he will not take her to any activities, and she often misses parties of her friends if they fall on his weekend. He will not do schoolwork with her so an extension for the homework would only help on my weekends as I get her back from him too late on Sunday to do anything.

So do I stop rainbows/brownies or keep her there? Basically WWYD if it was your DD?

I apologise in advance if I drip feed I don’t know what other information people might want from me

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Eyesofdisarray · 10/06/2021 19:32

Let her have her Rainbows! It sounds like she loves it.
Agree spellings probably too hard.
Keep going with the EHCP- you can do it yourself. My DD's school/Senco 'declined' to do it as there were "lots of kids worse off" than DD 😦
I appealed after first getting a "no", gathered all my evidence (getting DD's paediatrician on board helped massively) and got it!!! Of course school were delighted.
It made a big difference for DD.
Good luck and best wishes to you and your daughter 💐

Pinkylemons · 10/06/2021 19:36

Absolutely not! My kids never had homework during primary school at all.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 10/06/2021 19:36

Keep her at Brownies and Swimming and move schools. They sound awful.

I’m a teacher and we never punish children for not getting full marks on their spellings. Ever! We never even punish for incomplete homework. I will offer to let them do it with me during lunchtime if they would prefer. I wouldn’t be sending my DD to that school and my DD usually gets 10/10 on her spellings.

SmednotaSmoo · 10/06/2021 19:38

The school sounds terrible.
You sound like a brilliant mum.
Keep the rainbows!

Whatelsecouldibecalled · 10/06/2021 19:41

I wonder what would happen if you politely emailed the school abs explained that due to other commitments DD will not be doing homework. 🤷‍♀️ You concentrate on the spellings and reading. Ditch the homework. The teacher can’t put you in detention. Ask what support DD is receiving from the school due to her additional needs. Suggest she is being penalised for additional needs and comment you will be taking it further.

It’s an utterly shit policy. Is it standard across the school? That amount of homework is ridiculous at her age. Those clubs offer so much more. I want to know what it teaches the pupils to be punished for failure. Poor from the school.

SoftSheen · 10/06/2021 19:42

Keep her at Brownies and Swimming and move schools. They sound awful

^^This.

viques · 10/06/2021 19:43

I would speak to the school. Ask them to direct you to the research that learning spellings, or indeed any homework, especially homework that is set far beyond your grasp , improves educational ability.

They will probably say that homework is part of the schools learning policy.

In which case remind them that they need to make appropriate and reasonable adjustments to meet a child with SEN ‘s needs. Say that your daughter should be given a) appropriate homework for her level of learning, b) that the current spelling homework is damaging her self esteem as a learner and c ) she needs to have the social interaction that Golden Time gives her in class .

And don’t give up the swimming and other activities, they sound as though they are doing your daughter the world of good emotionally, physically and socially.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 10/06/2021 19:43

@RainbowsBrowniesLove

Thank you for the suggestions about homework, I will look into it.

Unfortunately no other school nearby can meet her mobility needs as she struggles with things like ramps if they're too steep or long, this school is all on one level and all one building.

She absolutely loves Rainbows and I'm sure she'll love Brownies too, from the moment she went she's always ran in singing. She sings the songs with her sylvanian families and barbies when not there which I think is adorable.

Will try and talk to school again. Even an extension over the weekend would give me a few extra minutes on Monday morning or whenever.

We have children with mobility issues in our school and we make arrangements so it’s accessible for them. Our KS2 building has two floors and Y3/4 is usually upstairs. When necessary, Y3/4 move downstairs and Y5/6 move up to allow children with mobility issues to get to their classroom easily. They’re then swapped again when the child reaches Y5 and 6.
Serpenta · 10/06/2021 19:43

@villainousbroodmare

1. Stay at Rainbows.
  1. GTFO of that school.
  2. You are both great.
I agree with these three points!
Sheerheight · 10/06/2021 19:43

Nooo don't make her give up rainbows / brownies or swimming.
My girls loved brownies and guides , its a great opportunity to chill out with other girls without the pressure of school.

I would have a word with the school.

Dixiechickonhols · 10/06/2021 19:43

Please don’t make her miss brownies. It’s so good for them to play games and mix. Also they get so many experiences they don’t otherwise get - mine camped at the zoo, went on an activity holiday, lots of trips and fun. I’m a guide leader and it’s lovely to see them just being children.

Hankunamatata · 10/06/2021 19:44

I do not agree with losing golden time. That just penalises kids who struggle. I'd ask for spellings to be reduced to 5 words a week - simple ones to build her confidence.

The 2 other bits of homework are they a maths sheet and literacy sheet or more complicated?

NumberTheory · 10/06/2021 19:45

Absolutely agree with the majority that Rainbows sounds important and you shouldn’t drop and that school do not sound like they are meeting her educational needs.

To be honest, if she’s 18 months behind and is rarely getting more than a couple of spellings right, I probably wouldn’t bother with them at all. It doesn’t sound like that’s what she needs to be doing at this stage in her development (it’s questionable if spelling lists like this are an effective way for the majority of kids, the little evidence there is suggests not). Missing half the golden time is a unfair, but unless that’s really distressing your DD, I wouldn’t focus on it at all (if it’s distressing her, I might be inclined to “cheat” on the homework so she has something to hand in that gets her those 15 minutes but doesn’t put her under much stress - would have to think about that).

I would probably try and up her exposure to books, language, story telling, the written word and reading at the weekends and maybe in the mornings instead. As much as possible doing it in a way she enjoys.

SongsForSwingingLovers · 10/06/2021 19:47

As so many others have said, stick with Rainbows and Brownies and speak to the school about their poor provision for your daughter.

MadeOfStarStuff · 10/06/2021 19:47

Don’t give up rainbows/brownies if she’s enjoying it! It’s a great fun, low pressure activity (as in, not competitive, they’ll do a mixture of activities so different girls will be good at different things, not just the same girls shining all the time) and it’s good for social skills and a chance to friends with girls from different classes or schools.

I would speak to the teacher about not punishing her for genuinely struggling despite putting the effort in.

RainbowsBrowniesLove · 10/06/2021 19:48

@Hankunamatata

I do not agree with losing golden time. That just penalises kids who struggle. I'd ask for spellings to be reduced to 5 words a week - simple ones to build her confidence.

The 2 other bits of homework are they a maths sheet and literacy sheet or more complicated?

Yes maths and literacy.

I might get her to do the maths sheets as she quite likes it even if she doesn’t always grasp it. Just doing the homework is fine it doesn’t have to be right.

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Serpenta · 10/06/2021 19:49

Penalising kids who are struggling or those who just aren't particularly academic seems so cruel and counter-productive. I feel sad for those boys and girls.

Maryann1975 · 10/06/2021 19:49

Dd isn’t academic and has always struggled with English/maths/spellings. She has been all through Girlguiding and has done so well with it. She is now a young leader and has and is learning so many life skills doing this. A couple of years ago she travelled round Europe on a County International event which was a fantastic experience for Her. I get that school learning is important but honestly she learnt So much more on that fortnight away with Girlguiding (she had to fundraise to go, Plan the itinary and budget for it, went with a group of girls and leaders she didn’t know, learnt to travel independently, being responsible for her own passport/luggage/money etc, had to deal with problems as they arose, Find and book activities and places to eat in a foreign language). Girlguiding offers so many opportunities, I’d definitely keep her in Brownies Rather than do extra spellings.

I think school taking golden time away for not doing well in spelling tests is dreadful practice. Similar to my daughter being taken out of her primary school music lesson, which she loved and was her best subject to do extra maths (Which she hated and wasn’t very good at). She saw it as a punishment and never worked as hard as if she was missing one of the other lessons she wasn’t as bothered about. So sad that Some schools do this to our children.

Whythesadface · 10/06/2021 19:49

She is a captive audience when you drive her.
Just write the words out and go over them with her during this time,
Getting a child to give do something regularly is a good thing, and even if you just keep repeating the words and the spellings on the drive, it will be better than you currently do.

WombatStewForTea · 10/06/2021 19:51

Fuck that OP. Do not stop Rainbows/Brownies. It sounds like your did gets so much from it.

I say that as a primary school teacher!

School are completely unreasonable here. Homework is pointless anyway but unfortunately school policy means you don't have as much of a comeback about not doing it. Is the homework set of an appropriate level for her?

You've mentioned the EHCP is that purely down to her mobility or academically too? I know she was behind on starting school but how is she now?

Regardless keeping children in for not getting their spellings right is awful.

Definitely take this up with the head. Especially if she's got SEN needs because they're discriminating against her

RainbowsBrowniesLove · 10/06/2021 19:52

@NumberTheory

Absolutely agree with the majority that Rainbows sounds important and you shouldn’t drop and that school do not sound like they are meeting her educational needs.

To be honest, if she’s 18 months behind and is rarely getting more than a couple of spellings right, I probably wouldn’t bother with them at all. It doesn’t sound like that’s what she needs to be doing at this stage in her development (it’s questionable if spelling lists like this are an effective way for the majority of kids, the little evidence there is suggests not). Missing half the golden time is a unfair, but unless that’s really distressing your DD, I wouldn’t focus on it at all (if it’s distressing her, I might be inclined to “cheat” on the homework so she has something to hand in that gets her those 15 minutes but doesn’t put her under much stress - would have to think about that).

I would probably try and up her exposure to books, language, story telling, the written word and reading at the weekends and maybe in the mornings instead. As much as possible doing it in a way she enjoys.

She’s not upset she used to be when Golden time was toys and games but it’s not mostly screen time and I let her have that at home on nights she’s not got activities anyway so she doesn’t feel she’s missing out
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Talipesmum · 10/06/2021 19:52

Def don’t give up the activities.

But I would get her to do the homework on one of the non-activity evenings. I don’t agree with it at that age either, but if she is missing 15 mins of golden time, it’s worth doing it - doesn’t have to be perfectly done.

Footle · 10/06/2021 19:53

@CornforthWhiteH , have you read the thread? This little girl has different needs. The comparison with other children is not helpful. Though the beastly school is also comparing her to others, to her detriment.

RainbowsBrowniesLove · 10/06/2021 19:55

@WombatStewForTea

Fuck that OP. Do not stop Rainbows/Brownies. It sounds like your did gets so much from it.

I say that as a primary school teacher!

School are completely unreasonable here. Homework is pointless anyway but unfortunately school policy means you don't have as much of a comeback about not doing it. Is the homework set of an appropriate level for her?

You've mentioned the EHCP is that purely down to her mobility or academically too? I know she was behind on starting school but how is she now?

Regardless keeping children in for not getting their spellings right is awful.

Definitely take this up with the head. Especially if she's got SEN needs because they're discriminating against her

She’s about 18 months behind I’d guess it’s hard to know as paediatrician hasn’t seen her in person for over a year and school won’t tell me directly.

Homework is a standard sheet for maths and literacy for the whole year not just the class. It’s just to tick the “homework” box with ofsted I think.

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Greenmarmalade · 10/06/2021 20:00

Sorry haven’t got time to rtft and I’m sure I’m repeating pp...

Stay at brownies for sure!
Talk to school and ask for half the number of spellings per week and say you’re doing reading instead of homework. Insist on your child having all of golden time.