AIBU to think Maya scored a victory for common sense today?

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twitter.com/MForstater/status/1402922169559044096?s=20

news.sky.com/story/maya-forstater-woman-who-lost-job-over-transgender-views-wins-appeal-against-employment-tribunal-12329249

The law just cannot be allowed to tell people what to think.

Hurrah for Maya!

Oh Pumper is that poster, is she?

I need a better memory, I'd forgotten that. That thread made me fucking furious.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Oh Pumper is that poster, is she?

I need a better memory, I'd forgotten that. That thread made me fucking furious.

Do you want me to leave this thread?

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

I've answered it repeatedly. I want "women" on there. I want "women" to always be on there. I will not spend money with a company that I have seen refer to me in a demeaning way.

Various people do not want to be called "women". They want additional, alternative words. The formulation of the additional words is up to the trans community, not me.

If I was in marketing, I would market them to women and transmen, but different products.

One blue packet, one pink packet. It avoids the issue altogether. And probably sells more.

That's what I would do if I was in marketing.

As a feminist, I might have to consider it further to decide whether or not it will make me happy forever, though.

That’s not the answer to the question though - will you be happy with literally any wording chosen by the trans community so long as ‘woman’ is also included?

Happy doesn't come into it. I won't consider it my business. Is this the kind of line you can't handle, like how you can't fathom that I find it disrespectful that you keep.asking me to pick wording for a community that isn't mine.

And if it’s the complete erasure of trans people in marketing, that’s very unlikely so are you going to be unhappy forever? Or are you going to find a middle ground?

I think it’s about balance. Sex is a political issue so the deliberate suppression of reference to sex harms women who need to be able to talk about sex.

‘Woman’ when used to refer to sex does not exclude trans people.

I don’t understand this either. Do you want me to leave the thread?

Well I came on to discuss Maya, and the judgement, and you are going on and on at people and demanding people give you answers that you find acceptable. Classic sea lioning, @Pumperthepumper

Thank you Maya - you have made so many of us feel safer to express our views. Not hurt or deny anyone - just disagree. Such a basic right.

You accused me of not caring about people with autism who die of cervical cancer

You said something along the line of it not being a huge impact if an autism charity didn't use the word woman but used 'autistics with cervixes' in a tweet.

I interpreted that, quite reasonably, to mean that you felt that the need of clear language for health messages to autistic women wasn't important or a 'huge issue'. In otherwords you didn't care about the health risk to them.

You can call it deliberate misinterpretation if you wish. I think your feelings towards the healthcare of autsitic women was clear from the fact you said it wasn't a 'huge issue' because it was only one tweet.

I find that attitude disgusting.

I am sick of you bringing this up in an accusatory manner and making every thread about you.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

That’s not the answer to the question though - will you be happy with literally any wording chosen by the trans community so long as ‘woman’ is also included?

Happy doesn't come into it. I won't consider it my business. Is this the kind of line you can't handle, like how you can't fathom that I find it disrespectful that you keep.asking me to pick wording for a community that isn't mine.

I honestly don’t know how I can make it clearer. I’m not asking you to pick wording for them, I’m asking you what will make you happy. And if it’s ‘women’ only and the trans community decide they want ‘women and whatever’ will you make peace with that? Or live the rest of your life raging?

@LadyFidgetAndHerHandbag

Transphobia is arseholery therefore I have said nothing incorrect.

Oh honey, no. That time is passed now. Accusations of "transphobia" just don't cut it. Sorry.

@lifeturnsonadime

You accused me of not caring about people with autism who die of cervical cancer

You said something along the line of it not being a huge impact if an autism charity didn't use the word woman but used 'autistics with cervixes' in a tweet.

I interpreted that, quite reasonably, to mean that you felt that the need of clear language for health messages to autistic women wasn't important or a 'huge issue'. In otherwords you didn't care about the health risk to them.

You can call it deliberate misinterpretation if you wish. I think your feelings towards the healthcare of autsitic women was clear from the fact you said it wasn't a 'huge issue' because it was only one tweet.

I find that attitude disgusting.

I am sick of you bringing this up in an accusatory manner and making every thread about you.

Total bullshit, and you know it. You’re the one who addressed me, so feel free to ignore my posts.

One blue packet, one pink packet. It avoids the issue altogether. And probably sells more

I like that idea, the blue ones would probably be cheaper as well, I’d buy the blue ones

Raging ? I thought this thread was about celebrating?

I think perhaps you should start a different thread?

It’s also possible for me to hold a view and accept that others disagree. That is the foundation of democracy.

I am most definitely going to ignore you posts.

You should be the one apologising not me.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Do you want me to leave this thread?

Are you declaring that you are going to be disablist here if you continue to post on this thread?

Could you not simply refrain from being disablist?

What did I say that was disablist?

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Do you want me to leave this thread?

Are you declaring that you are going to be disablist here if you continue to post on this thread?

Could you not simply refrain from being disablist?

Purgatory thank you. You were on the other thread too, thank you for backing me up.

I honestly don’t know how I can make it clearer. I’m not asking you to pick wording for them, I’m asking you what will make you happy. And if it’s ‘women’ only and the trans community decide they want ‘women and whatever’ will you make peace with that? Or live the rest of your life raging?

Having women on there will mean that I am not personally demeaned, so that is what I require. I will continue to object until people stop demeaning me.

I honestly don’t know how I can make it clearer. I’m not asking you to pick wording for them, I’m asking you what will make you happy. And if it’s ‘women’ only and the trans community decide they want ‘women and whatever’ will you make peace with that? Or live the rest of your life raging?

What happens if we say 'raging'? Do we have to sit in a bath of baked beans or something?

For what it's worth, I don't think anyone, anywhere is going to spend their life raging over the wording on a packet of Tampax.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

I honestly don’t know how I can make it clearer. I’m not asking you to pick wording for them, I’m asking you what will make you happy. And if it’s ‘women’ only and the trans community decide they want ‘women and whatever’ will you make peace with that? Or live the rest of your life raging?

Having women on there will mean that I am not personally demeaned, so that is what I require. I will continue to object until people stop demeaning me.

What did I say that was disablist?

@Datun

I honestly don’t know how I can make it clearer. I’m not asking you to pick wording for them, I’m asking you what will make you happy. And if it’s ‘women’ only and the trans community decide they want ‘women and whatever’ will you make peace with that? Or live the rest of your life raging?

What happens if we say 'raging'? Do we have to sit in a bath of baked beans or something?

For what it's worth, I don't think anyone, anywhere is going to spend their life raging over the wording on a packet of Tampax.

No, it makes no difference to me. It just seems a bit of a shame to never be happy.

Hmm, different packets would increase costs in production meaning higher costs for all.

It seems sensible to have women for women and let other communities work out what identifiers they would like.

I don't think anyone is raging on her today.

I am more than happy to leave this thread if people want me to. Feel free to quote this post and ask me to leave, and it will be done.

I will be happy when I don't have to bother with period products anymore though!