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To consider fundraising/ go fund me / crowdfunding for weight loss surgery

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lotstolose1 · 08/06/2021 15:50

I imagine this will be a very controversial one and I am opening myself to opinions I potentially won't want to hear. All I ask is please don't be nasty and insulting (I can take harsh & honest) Blush

I am fat, majorly fat, even considered super obese. I've tried everything under the sun, I always manage between a few pounds to a few stone and then fail or stall and put it back on plus more. BMI in the high 50's, almost 23 stone at 5ft 2. I am only in my early 20s.

My GP recently agreed that Bariatric surgery would most likely be the best way forward and agreed to put me forward on the NHS. This could take years, maybe 5.

I have looked into options privately and I just can't afford it. My credit is shot to bits. I've considered selling my car but then I'll just leave myself in a worse position as I'll still have the finance to pay off and then no car to get me about.

I have a few household things I could sell, to get maybe about £500 myself. I'm on very low income and no savings.

AIBU to maybe start a go fund me/ fundraising to raise the rest of the money I'd need. I'd need to raise maybe about £4K.

I am deeply unhappy and the thought of even posting pictures of myself and my weight online for a fundraiser terrifies me and not something I'd do lightly....I'm worried I'm running out of time, I'd like another child but don't want to grow through it while being this massive.

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Sammysquiz · 09/06/2021 09:45

For those who said they wouldn’t, it would be interesting to know why.

Because it’s very high-risk surgery, and is avoidable.

3Britnee · 09/06/2021 09:52

[quote lotstolose1]@vivainsomnia maybe failure was the wrong word I'm not sure, I just meant I've read and seen an awful lot about people having the band and then putting it all back on or needing revision surgery and eventually having a bypass in the end anyway. I'm not an expert on it by any means, I just thought it was probably just the best option for me.

I am definitely going to try to do it again myself, and I really hope I can. But in the meantime I will see what the NHS have to say and if they suggest anything further to me too so I can go on without needing the surgery. DaffodilThanks[/quote]
Well done. Why don't you make an accountability thread on here, you could post your weight on there every week and people here will support you.

lotstolose1 · 09/06/2021 09:53

@3Britnee

Yes I think I may do, not sure wether anyone would be interested but it would be good to prove that I can try and do it Smile

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alwayswithhope · 09/06/2021 09:56

@lotstolose1

Did you make it like an overnight oats type thing *@alwayswithhope* ?

I know chia seeds are meant to soak up the liquid aren't they, how do you prepare it if you don't mind me asking? Smile

No prepare that morning. Get milled flaxseed and milled chia seed and mix in with yoghurt and raw cacao powder so it is essentially like a thick chocolate yoghurt and then put the chopped apple and berries on it. It’s also high protein - so should keep you full longer than cereal.
Billandben444 · 09/06/2021 09:56

Well done for facing up to needing to lose weight and I would stop buying any snacks and treats - they're all bad for you and your child will benefit as well. Eat 3 well-balanced meals (smaller portions than you're used to) and make half the plate veg or fruit with a good helping of protein and no snacking at any time. If you do feel peckish then that's when you'll be burning more calories so think of it as a good feeling. I hope you achieve your goal of reducing your BMI to a healthy one - good luck.

lotstolose1 · 09/06/2021 10:00

@alwayswithhope ah okay great thank you, I'll have to look out for the milled stuff, not really seen that in supermarkets. If not I suppose I can always do it like an overnight oats style so the the chai soaks up the protein yoghurt Smile

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3Britnee · 09/06/2021 10:28

[quote lotstolose1]@3Britnee

Yes I think I may do, not sure wether anyone would be interested but it would be good to prove that I can try and do it Smile[/quote]
I think a few people from this thread would be.

lotstolose1 · 09/06/2021 10:28

Accountability thread created. Hopefully someone joins in Blush

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3Britnee · 09/06/2021 10:29

Well done op 👏
You CAN do it 💪

nomblins · 09/06/2021 10:41

I just need to get my mind to enjoy the healthier meals more than the bad ones. It's so difficult for me to enjoy a bowl of porridge (another thing I dislike) over a bowl of cereal. I know it's pathetic, and I just need to get over it and stop making the excuses

Possibly controversial and I'm sure a lot of people will disagree but there is a lot of obesity in my family and the one thing that sticks out the most is that in their mind, food seems to be wrapped around enjoyment in a way that it just isn't for the ones who don't constantly struggle with weight.

When covid hit and my mum realised how much her weight increased her risk, she was researching all the 'plans' like WW and SW and cookbooks. I had about 1.5 - 2st to lose (because of boredom lockdown eating) so we decided to check in, go for walks, keep each other motivated.

I dropped it within three months while my mum really really struggled (same as you, Op, she was walking a lot and in 'calorie deficit' etc). Her friend had been to Turkey just before covid hit and was living off Quavers (don't Hmm) but the weight was falling off her too and I could see her getting more disheartened.

We sat down, had a coffee and for the first time ever we had an honest conversation about weight and I actually told her how I lost it. I eat high fat, high veg. Breakfast - breaking the fast - usually doesn't happen until at least 11am and sometimes 2pm, even 4pm if I'm busy. And breaking the fast is a boiled egg and maybe a slice of edam cheese and some cucumber. It's so dense and rich it completely fills me for hours. It's not "enjoyable". It's an egg! But I don't have any expectations of it being enjoyable because it's just food, you know?

Mum: But breakfast is the most important meal of the day.
Marketing speak to sell carby sugary cereal.

Mum: It sounds so boring.
So watch something you love on TV when you're eating it. Eat it and then do something that isn't boring. Why are there expectations that food must be something other than completely boring?

Mum: I'd be starving.
You get used to being hungry. Honestly I barely notice it, mornings I'm never hungry and if I don't break the fast until later, I kinda love that hungry feeling. It makes me feel more alert and productive, I have more energy, feel better in myself. I hate that stuffed full lazy feeling. Reshape your thoughts surrounding these feelings. Why do you want to feel filled? Don't you want to feel light?

When people say "it's not as simple as eat less move more" I completely agree with them. My mum doesn't think the way I do, and that is why she can't just eat less and move more. But she can focus on her thinking and feelings towards food. She can re-educate herself about the myths of demonising fat (and how the dropping of fat, the low-fat everything, correlated spectacularly with the rise in obesity). Fat makes you feel full. Fat is fuel. When you have 10 extra stone you can survive on very little (provided you're getting enough salts and minerals). She can have open and honest conversations with me and my sister about what we actually eat. 3 meals a day? We would be overweight too. 3 meals a day + snacks? I'd be on a trajectory to obesity. You have to learn what your body needs and ignore "the rules". A calculator might say you can have 1500 calories and maintain but if you are gaining weight... you probably need 1000.

How much do you think you'll be surviving on post surgery?

I question if WW and SW even want people to lose weight. I think they are heavily invested in keeping people fat and that's why everything about them is using a treat / reward / calculation method. "I have 3 points left so I can have a square of chocolate". Step back and analyse just how mad that sounds?

I wish you all the best of luck OP, truly! If you think surgery is the only way forward then as others have said, I think your best bet it to try to earn more money. Loads of ways to do this online nowadays. But think carefully about how you're going to be living post-surgery and realise that you can live this way now - but you have to change your attitudes about food. I don't think there is any other way. When you have this attitude, losing weight is very effortless which is why I don't stress when I put on a stone, which only takes me to the middle of my bmi. I know it will be lost easily. And FWIW my mum has gone from a size 22 - 24 to a 16, and still going. She's not as ruthless as I am about it, but I was incredibly lucky enough to be born that way anyway (naturally slim as they like to call it on MN). She is slowly trying to reset her thinking though and this is the most weight she's lost in my lifetime.

CharlieSocial · 09/06/2021 10:42

Hi OP
I fundraised £50k in ten months but I had the 'sob story' and I worked my arse off putting on events. It was like a full time job. So it's possible, but you need to offer things people want to get them to part with their cash. I got about £5k in donations, the rest I put on parties, bingo nights, auctions, cake sales, disco nights, and raffles

AlmostSummer21 · 09/06/2021 10:44

@soreenqueen21

he comments have been made by people who have probably never had any serious weight issues and cannot comprehend that people are different and some people will struggle with weight gain no matter what they do, simply because that is how they are made

Nonsense. Nobody just happens to be super obese, you aren't made that way. You have to eat far too much for a very lomg time to be 23 stone, it didn' appear about of the blue.

That's not correct. You do NOT have to eat far too much fir a very long time to get to 23 stone.
soreenqueen21 · 09/06/2021 10:45

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 09/06/2021 10:48

@soreenqueen21

Denial.
Worse for a diet than any food
Auntienumber8 · 09/06/2021 11:03

Do you like Chinese food Op? The stuff from take aways is dire and nothing like what I eat. But stir frying five vegetables and adding some meat and just using ginger, garlic, five spice and a small amount of soy sauce is a very healthy way to eat and gets you lots of veg.

lotstolose1 · 09/06/2021 11:04

@Auntienumber8 no, most would be surprised but I hate Chinese food, don't like most typical takeaway food to be honest such as kebabs, pizza, cheese sauce. It's all vile. The one thing I do like is an Indian but don't have that very often at all and I have learnt a few homemade healthy curry recipes.

Will have a go at a stir fry thanks :)

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delilahbucket · 09/06/2021 11:28

I don't think it would be a good idea OP, I just think you would be on the receiving end of a lot of nasty comments and that wouldn't help you.
You need to get to the bottom of why you are struggling with your food intake. No amount of surgery will remove those issues. Counseling or hypnotherapy could work for you and I would try those options first as they are a lot cheaper and don't carry the risks that surgery does. Best of luck Flowers

NessieDipper · 09/06/2021 11:57

[quote lotstolose1]@PurpleDaisies the issue is, I don't buy takeaways (don't have the money) I live on not much money at all for my food shop so already do a lot of home cooking. I don't drink fizzy pop anymore nor coffee. I don't have money to waste on junk food. I'm not eating too bad at all really. Don't get me wrong obviously I have overindulged to get me to the point I am now, of course. I just think now I'm this big I just can't get back to where I was. If a dietician was to sit down and look at my diet today I don't think there'd be much wrong actually. I just about manage to scrape together £30 a month for a swimming membership, as that's something I enjoy.

I've been tested for everything that could cause weight-gain and I don't have it. So at this point I don't know what else to do x[/quote]
If you have been tested for potential medical issues that could be causing you to gain weight and they are all clear, then you must be either over eating or eating the wrong sort of food - ie calorie dense. For example a friend constantly moaned to me and another friend about struggling to lose weight even tho she hardly ate anything. We asked what she'd had that day. Her initial reaction was "nothing"! Then she remembered she'd had a mars bar at work with a coffee, and another one with a coffee and packet of crisps in the pm. Not much substance but plenty of calories.
It is so easy to underestimate calorie intake, especially with things like pasta and rice - the actual correct portion size of those is tiny compared to what most people serve.
I've struggled with weight issues forever, but found the simple fuel in/fuel expended equation was the best one to follow. I don't ban any food - that will start immediate cravings. I also find alternative comfort foods (instead of giving into a full takeaway, I do a big bowl of salad and have onion bhajis and mint sauce - I prefer savoury food, not keen on sweet stuff at all). I'm vegetarian again and love food so enjoy finding new meals to cook or prepare. The site Forks Over Knives has tons of inspirational recipes, also lots of nutritional info. There are lots of weird diets and methods out there, but it really just comes down to using real food with best nutritional values and not overeating (Google the physiological effects that overeating has on the body!!). For years the Mediterranean diet has been extolled as the healthiest diet, olive oil in particular has been deemed as positively essential for good health, but it's loaded with calories and should be used rarely - you see chefs dressing meals with a few tablespoons of the stuff - that's 100s of calories and way too much fat. I could waffle on about this all day as I've always been astonished at the amount of misinformation re healthy eating ...Blush
The other point I'd make is exercise. Someone said no doubt "go for a walk" will be mentioned and won't help. Crazy advice imho. I started walking as exercise because I enjoy hillwalking and wanted to be fit enough to do it. Jogging/running is not for me, but fast walking got me hooked - kind of like a speed walk but not as funny looking, definitely moving arms as well, definitely getting out of breath and very sweaty. I walk about 4mph and do up to 8 miles at times, but at least 2/3 daily. The weight drops off and everything gets toned, especially if you incorporate some mindful muscle usage (isometrics). The other huge benefit of exercise is the effect on mood levels. If you are like me and turn to food when sad, depressed, etc ... then getting out for some vigorous exercise will make a huge difference. The endorphin high is fantastic - maybe you are familiar with that from swimming (something else I love Smile).
I wish you the best of luck with your endeavours, I'd love to hear how you get on. Surgery may help lots of people, but if you manage to beat this with your own willpower and efforts, the rewards and boost to your confidence and knowledge of what you can achieve will stay with you forever. Think how your life could change in just one year!!
Smile

EssexLioness · 09/06/2021 12:06

I agree with others saying crowd funding is a bad idea, so glad you have decided against it.
I was obese, with much less than you to lose but still found it too daunting when I thought of how much I needed to lose in total. I broke it down into much smaller targets. Been losing through lockdown with WW. The zoom meetings are great so give them a try. Mine has the same friendly group of members and is more supportive than real life classes I went to. Many of the leaders are happy for you to private message your weight to them privately too if that extra accountability would help you.
Couple of other things: I’m guessing your portion sizes are too big so look at what the recommended portions are. Also re the veg, well done on retraining your palette. I’ve had to do the same and it’s not easy. My mum never cooked from fresh and we only had deep friend stuff every day as a child. I had never even tried broccoli or carrots until at uni. I am also autistic so those things combined means it’s a challenge trying new foods. I enjoy most veg now but I also eat some I am not keen on. If I don’t actively dislike something healthy I will still eat it but with nicer food too. Eg I am not a fan of lettuce etc but I know it’s good for me. I have a salad every day for lunch but I add lots of nicer bits eg roast veg, sweetcorn to make a dish that is overall tasty and disguises the lettuce etc. I won’t force myself to eat things I hate but if I’m just not very keen then I will eat them in this way.
Finally, I agree that you need to accept that you will be hungry sometimes, especially as you have got used to eating more than your body needs. You shouldn’t be ravenous but some hunger is normal and healthy. I used to eat regularly to prevent even mild hunger and it takes time to retrain your brain. Slight hunger isn’t unpleasant, it actually means you relish your upcoming meal more.

WeeFae · 09/06/2021 12:27

[quote lotstolose1]@vivainsomnia

Thanks, we did already establish I was wrong on the daily food part. I knew I wasn't eating the best at the moment but I didn't think it'd get as bad a reaction as it did. I do well on the protein front but struggle getting half my plate full of veg and only a small amount of carbs.

With the surgeries and everyone's anecdotes regarding a friend or someone they know had it; I've done a lot of reading and joined a lot of support groups, it seems a lot/ if not most of the failures had the gastric band. Which the NHS rarely offer anymore and there is a lot of complications that can come from it.

Obviously people do still fail with the sleeve and bypass, I know, but I don't believe I'll be one of them. It doesn't just reduce the amount your able to eat. It causes a 'dumping' syndrome which means if you do try and eat something bad for you, you will suffer terribly (diarrhoea, sweats, heart palls, etc) which at this point I think is the only thing that's going to put me off the bad foods.[/quote]
I just want to say, I have never had dumping syndrome. I can eat anything! So don't pin all your hopes on that.

However, it does reset your ghrelin, leptin etc and resolves insulin resistance end T2 diabetes.

JSL52 · 09/06/2021 13:17

@lotstolose1

Accountability thread created. Hopefully someone joins in Blush
Can you link to it ?
JSL52 · 09/06/2021 13:20

It's a shame about WW. They've made a lot of changes , I don't particularly like online groups. I used to like the groups and some of the coaches.
I think you could do this , ask your GP for a referral. Do they still do 12 weeks free ?

lotstolose1 · 09/06/2021 13:21

@JSL52 I hope this is right!

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/weightlosss_chat/4266193-severely-obese-accountability-thread-trying-to-avoid-wls?msgid=

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winched · 09/06/2021 13:51

olive oil in particular has been deemed as positively essential for good health, but it's loaded with calories and should be used rarely - you see chefs dressing meals with a few tablespoons of the stuff - that's 100s of calories and way too much fat. I could waffle on about this all day as I've always been astonished at the amount of misinformation re healthy eating ...

Confused by spreading more misinformation?

You should watch Fat Fiction, just to get a different perspective on it. It's really not as black and white as something being loaded with calories = bad and 'way too much fat'.

The person who loads their salad with olive oil is going to be far less likely to snack in an hour or two.

Saying the calories in 2 tbs of olive oil is equal to an apple (for example), and therefore we should use olive oil rarely because we could use those calories on fruit (or anything else deemed 'healthy' in old speak) is as false an economy as saying eat a kitkat instead.

The fat is going to keep you feeling full for much longer. For weight loss, adding fat is usually a wise choice to "use" your calories unless the alternative is not using those calories at all. Which for most people, it isn't. They'd save the 80 calories, get hungrier much faster, and at best snack on fruit / veg / nuts and at worst snack on carbs and sugar.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 09/06/2021 14:21

Ha. Olive oil. Pretty sure Jamie Oliver single handedly keeps some producers in business 😂

2 tbsp of olive oil are about 240cal though so if you are watching calories, it's obviously a no go. But. Fat is important though for helping to absorb some vitamins so little bit should always be in a salad in some form or another.
I have to say though that oil does not keep me fuller for longer. It is not an enemy however. It's a part of healthy diet.

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