To be pissed off that even though every other thread in AIBU has a relevant topic it could go in, it only seems to be feminism-related threads that get moved?

[AngeloMysterioso]

Looking at the first page of AIBU alone, I can see several threads that would more appropriately be posted in Relationships, Coronavirus, Education, Chat, Politics, etc etc.

People post all sorts of irrelevant non-AIBU shitin AIBU for traffic. Everyone knows this.

And yet it only seems to be feminism-related threads that attract a load of posters going “UGH there’s a feminism topic for this you know” and eventually the threads get put back in their place, just like those pesky feminists moved to the feminism topic, where only people who seek out feminism-based threads will see them.

Why is this? Why is it ok for people to post in AIBU about covid vaccines, or employment issues, or whether you live within walking distance of your kids school, but not to bring attention to current issues facing women that many may not be aware of?

@MotherOffCod

Exactly that

Most of the ‘feminist’ topics that appear on here are thinly disguised criticisms of trans people.

One of the main problems with the no debate about self id for transgender people is that it is always seen as a criticism of trans people. It is not. It is a criticism that the feelings of one continiously shifting group of people seem to outrank safeguarding principles we have had in place for decades.

It is the same as with 'not all men'. Not, indeed not all men are rapists, but the UN still fights for single sex services for women & girls in developing countries (but not in western countries anymore). The number of childminders or teachers who are peadophiles is astonishingly small, but we still require extensive checks if you want to work with children. No group of people should be above scrutiny. No group should be given carte blanche, so why should trans people be any different? That is one of the debates to be had. How can anyone argue differently is beyond me.

@MilkTwoSugarsThanks

I can't understand why anyone, especially a woman, would have no issue with the situation with prisons. Or maybe what's happening with sports.

That I just don't get. Everyone I know in real life thinks it's terrible. (The ones that have raised it- I don't irl)

Has it not occurred to you that there are people who use this site for light relief, a bit of entertainment, maybe help out with something they might have a bit of knowledge of. Who don't want to read about FWR on here.

People use this site for different reasons. Is that not OK?

Yes absolutely. That's what I was saying to the OP earlier.

My comment was at those who are more saying that there's no issues.

'No group should be given carte blanche, so why should trans people be any different? '

It's not trans people as such it's the orgs that have misrepresented the law to get a vast array of orgs including police etc to quietly change the way they do things without being transparent about it.

The problems are obvious.

To me a massive issue is that it's all intangible and illogical.

How can law be made, people categorised for prison etc according to a quality that no one can see or measure?

Plus the sight issue that most people who have looked at the stonewall definitions are trans, including most of those who are vocalising their worries etc most obviously.

@toconclude

Translation: " I want to post transphobic shite so that people who would rather avoid it have it pushed at them, and call it feminism to get a free pass"

Posts like these are the reason why discussion is necessary.

Everybody has to agree with the trans ideology or you are transphobic.

If a post is transphobic, HQ will delete it pronto. You just need to report.
If they don't, perhaps your definition of transphobic is a little too broad?

@MilkTwoSugarsThanks

I can't understand why anyone, especially a woman, would have no issue with the situation with prisons. Or maybe what's happening with sports.

That I just don't get. Everyone I know in real life thinks it's terrible. (The ones that have raised it- I don't irl)

Has it not occurred to you that there are people who use this site for light relief, a bit of entertainment, maybe help out with something they might have a bit of knowledge of. Who don't want to read about FWR on here.

People use this site for different reasons. Is that not OK?

I do actually respect that view. I get quite depressed reading the FWR threads because it seems so hopeless sometimes. It’s hard to read a lot of it.

However, I just can’t believe that people are incapable of navigating round threads they don’t want to read. And actually requesting that a thread be moved seems utterly bonkers to me. Cannot ever imagine doing it, and I can only deduce that it’s done out of spite. Spite towards women. And then we’re back at how depressing our misogynistic world is.

@Pumperthepumper

That’s not what that thread was doing though. It was using a Daily Mail article by Sarah Vine to have a go at trans people thinly-disguised as a pushback to inclusive language. And it’s nonsense anyway.

Ah yes, Sarah Vine, that well-known feminist. Who also used the word 'feminazi' to describe a solicitor fighting sexual harassment.

There are a gajillion fucking threads about trans people in FWR without people having to drag this shit to AIBU as well. And yes, I wish threads about Brexit and COVID would be moved to the relevant boards.

I agree it isn't equal treatment. In some ways I would rather all AIBU threads were sorted into more specific topics. Either do this for all or none. Currently there are some types of thread (the Brexit threads were a case in point) which tend to get moved, others which don't.

I haven't seen 'trans bashing' in the Feminist section. Just healthy debate.

@Iggi999

If a post is transphobic, HQ will delete it pronto. You just need to report. If they don't, perhaps your definition of transphobic is a little too broad?

I agree. Those who claimed they were this can easily report a thread and it will get removed.

@Shakespeare79

However, I just can’t believe that people are incapable of navigating round threads they don’t want to read. And actually requesting that a thread be moved seems utterly bonkers to me.

I totally agree tbh. It's much easier to hide a thread than report. I'm not gonna lie, I hide the WAG threads three times quicker than lightning.

Cannot ever imagine doing it, and I can only deduce that it’s done out of spite. Spite towards women. And then we’re back at how depressing our misogynistic world is.

I think some of the reports are malicious, but I think some of them are a legacy from FWR gaining the reputation that it has. Rightly or wrongly many, many, many posters, on the many faux wide eyed innocent threads similar to this one, have said that they have not felt welcome.

I guess it's a bit of toxic relationship, starring MNFWR as the MIL and MN as the DIL. Both sides totally unreasonable, both sides refusing to accept it, both sides want to go no contact, both sides keep poking each other with a stick. Always has been, always will be I guess. The hot topic of the day/week/month/year/etc is pretty much irrelevant.

Thing is and if anyone is interested!

The feminism boards didn't used to exist.

Women who felt strongly about their feminist views posted on threads they felt interested in. Some posters were very uncompromising in their views. Which is not a bad thing.

But anyway. The fact is that many posters didn't like certain posters/ posting styles/ threads about well anything going to feminist views (which some women including me) tend to feel about an awful lot of topics. If you have a strong feminist lens then an awful lot of stuff relates to that angle of discussion.

Anyway a fair few posters were FFS we're just wanting to talk about marriage/ work/ children without BOOM feminist analysis all over the place.

There was a big discussion about having a separate board and in the end there was a separate board.

The arguments both for and against I agreed with.

I do think that when it comes to... Loads of stuff. Sexual assault stats in schools, online grooming, bizarrely lenient penalties for awful men, stuff going on overseas etc. It's a shame to have it hidden away as I think many women are interested and have opinions on it.

At the moment it's fair to say the board is pretty single issue.

So to this:

'I think some of the reports are malicious, but I think some of them are a legacy from FWR gaining the reputation that it has.'

Women with a strong feminist viewpoint have always been, not unwelcome exactly. But I suppose like you're talking about Egypt in the pub and someone at the table starts to give chapter and verse on how stole their treasures etc. It's a fair pov but one that lots of people aren't interested in getting into a lot of the time.

So anyway i totally understand that.

Currently it is sadly but understandably pretty single issue. Again I think it's important women in general know about the prisons and the sports and the stats and etc. But I understand the desire to hive it off.

Anyway I suppose my point is not to imagine that any reaction of go over there is new, or in fact related to the current dominating issue. It's always been this way.

Oh and also.

Well we've been told there are people 'monitoring' threads on here. Reporting.

I imagine MNHQ get all sorts of shit every day from all over the world for allowing this conversation. They don't have to. Thank you MNHQ.

we have also always been trolled a lot on FWR. Invasions from groups eg F 4 J or piston heads, an army site once I think. To tell us to shut up and get back in the kitchen and we're all ugly etc. Meh.

MN as a whole has had more than 1 DDOS attack. And of course the swatting.

To those who think feminists are... Whatever.

This is a feminist site by definition.
Many groups and types of men hate it.
Because it's women talking freely and giving each other advice etc.

By contributing to these boards and maybe sometimes helping a woman to feel a bit better, or give post birth advice, or just anything... That is in itself a feminist action. Sorry

This is a feminist site by definition.
Many groups and types of men hate it.
Because it's women talking freely and giving each other advice etc.

Agreed!

This is a feminist site by definition.
Many groups and types of men hate it.
Because it's women talking freely and giving each other advice etc.

By contributing to these boards and maybe sometimes helping a woman to feel a bit better, or give post birth advice, or just anything... That is in itself a feminist action. Sorry

Ah, but is it feminist enough? Is it the acceptable MN Feminism? 😂

This is a feminist site by definition.

MNHQ, don't accept this and have often said that it is a site that allows feminist discussion.

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One of the main problems with the no debate about self id for transgender people is that it is always seen as a criticism of trans people. It is not.

Oh pull the other one. It’s got nothing to do with self ID. Self ID was rejected by the government in the end. There’s nothing wrong with criticising or discussing self ID.

This is about wanting to repeal the gra. To remove any rights transgender/ transsexual people have as their new sex. To stop trans men and trans women from ever being able to use the facilities or services for their new sex, even if they’ve had a medical transition.

The number of childminders or teachers who are peadophiles is astonishingly small,

I’ve never seen anyone saying that trans people shouldn’t be subject to the same checks and balances as everyone else. But good segue into paedophilia. Well done for that.

Not reporting btw, just hiding thread.

No it bloody isn't.

It's about prisons. About any and all men being able to go anywhere that they would have been told to fuck off before. It's about crime stats. It's about the basic premise of girls and women being able to be in a same sex environment sometimes. It's about secure mental health wards. It's about so much.

The only thing I think about the gra is that the few thousand transsexuals who went and got one are having everything totally fucked over for them, and plenty of them agree.

I’ve never seen anyone saying that trans people shouldn’t be subject to the same checks and balances as everyone else. But good segue into paedophilia. Well done for that.

Well that proves my point. I said we do check for teachers and childminders to keep kids safe because of the one or two who are a danger and you immediately take it to mean I am saying trans people are a danger to kids too. Talk about getting offended by safeguarding principles.
Yes, maybe transpeople are, maybe they aren't, maybe men are, maybe they aren't, maybe women are, maybe they aren't. The thing is we don't know. That is why we have safeguarding in place.
Same principle applies to single sex facilities for women and girls away from men. Because some men etc etc. Everyone accepts that but when a male says they feel like a woman, all those checks and balances go out the window. Why?

And of course trans people deserve deserve same safguarding as everyone else. This right to live as their desired sex should end where others are put in danger and of course when they themselves are put in danger. Luckily transmen are not placed in mens prisons. So why are transwonen placed in womens?

Everybody needs to be kept safe and not put in a situation where harm.may come to them.

Like having info at the drs altered. That causes them to miss screenings or have yest results read against the wrong charts. Ir having a sick vulnerable trans man placed on a mens ward in hospital.

Tbe only reason we had the grc was becuawe we didn't allow same sex marriage.

This is about wanting to repeal the gra. To remove any rights transgender/ transsexual people have as their new sex. To stop trans men and trans women from ever being able to use the facilities or services for their new sex, even if they’ve had a medical transition.

Well, the recent Sinnott case clarified that. Where a service needs to be exempt from the Equality act, to have a single sex space (example given is a refuge, iirc), people are included or excluded on the basis of sex. GRC or no GRC. And of course it's not possible to change sex.

@Pumperthepumper

That’s not what that thread was doing though. It was using a Daily Mail article by Sarah Vine to have a go at trans people thinly-disguised as a pushback to inclusive language. And it’s nonsense anyway.

Nonsense. If I (the OP) had been "having a go" at transpeople it would have been deleted. It wasn't. Some whining winnies reported it and MN eventually moved it because - according to a nice email I received from MNHQ - it didn't have an actual AIBU and had been posted there for traffic - which is true of the majority of threads in that topic.

MNHQ have always been inconsistent in their moderation but at least they let us discuss GC issues. God isn't it depressing that women have to be grateful for that.