To be pissed off that even though every other thread in AIBU has a relevant topic it could go in, it only seems to be feminism-related threads that get moved?

[AngeloMysterioso]

Looking at the first page of AIBU alone, I can see several threads that would more appropriately be posted in Relationships, Coronavirus, Education, Chat, Politics, etc etc.

People post all sorts of irrelevant non-AIBU shitin AIBU for traffic. Everyone knows this.

And yet it only seems to be feminism-related threads that attract a load of posters going “UGH there’s a feminism topic for this you know” and eventually the threads get put back in their place, just like those pesky feminists moved to the feminism topic, where only people who seek out feminism-based threads will see them.

Why is this? Why is it ok for people to post in AIBU about covid vaccines, or employment issues, or whether you live within walking distance of your kids school, but not to bring attention to current issues facing women that many may not be aware of?

FWR is a bit of an echo chamber. Probably because it has a very high rate of ploppers: new accounts who start a thread stating something very pro trans demands or telling FWR readers that they are wrong, usually doesn't end well for the ploppers.

It is also an exhausting merry go round of ideology versus existing law/reality, of circular arguments or lack of logic versus statistics and evidence. I understand why some FWR posters get so fed up with the refuting the exact same time and time again.

AIBU has the polls, which are good. It always show most readers agree with FWR. Makes it very attractive to get those threads moved out as quickly as possible, otherwise sunlight and so on.

Probably because it has a very high rate of ploppers: new accounts who start a thread stating something very pro trans demands or telling FWR readers that they are wrong, usually doesn't end well for the ploppers.

Surely a quick search will give you an idea as to whether or not it's a new account or an MN regular gaining an interest or, god forbid, having a different opinion.

It is also an exhausting merry go round of ideology versus existing law/reality, of circular arguments or lack of logic versus statistics and evidence. I understand why some FWR posters get so fed up with the refuting the exact same time and time again.

So you don't want to help people understand because it's tedious. That's fine, but that's also why you're asked to stay in your echo chamber.

AIBU has the polls, which are good. It always show most readers agree with FWR.

Or it shows that most hit the "Hide" button rather than getting involved. Tbh I think a lot do broadly agree with FWR in their every day lives but don't really want to be swamped with it on a site they come to for a bit of light relief or help people out when they can.

People get plenty of help to understand should they want or need it.

But this help can only go so far if one side won't or can't define the terms they are using.

A huge YANBU. I really dislike this. And that article was about the use of the word 'mother'. Hardly a niche subject for a site called mumsnet.

But this help can only go so far if one side won't or can't define the terms they are using.

This has been going on for years, longer than the issues this comment refers to.

It's not strictly true either. You'll find plenty of women who firmly believe that the word "mother" should not be eradicated, but genuinely couldn't give a shit who is in the toilet cubicle next to them. And these are the people who have hidden FWR recently and no longer listen.

So you don't want to help people understand because it's tedious. That's fine, but that's also why you're asked to stay in your echo chamber.

That is a jump, don't you think? Probably 99% of FWR posters are fine with helping people understand. They have an excellent thread for that: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

What is quite difficult to handle is the 'woman is anyone who feels like one', 'what are you concerned about, you aren't in prison', 'all the transwomen I know are really nice', 'it is only a few transwomen winning sports, who cares', 'be nice' and my favorite 'they only want to pee in peace'. With no respect for basic safeguarding. I salute all those that stay polite and to the point. I usually bow out.

Whether anyone cares or not who's next to them. if the set up does not meet legal specifications, well everyone should care if their schools or theor work places are not applying the law correctly when building a facility.

This choosing to ignore the bigger picture just because it's exposed by a scenario that doesn't bother or affect you personally is a massive issue.

Some people don't care about getting breaks at work. But legally you are entitled to them and aren't paid for them.

It's slightly ironic that the OP is complaining that threads that should be moved elsewhere are being moved, whilst also complaining that threads that should be moved elsewhere aren't being moved.

I don't understand complaints like this. If you don't like the way the site is run, you're free to leave and go somewhere else that is more to your liking. If it doesn't exist, set it up, do the groundwork and put in the effort to create a site that works how you want.

But be prepared for lots of complaints that you're not running it how other people want, of course.

Not RTFT but I am sure it has been pointed out that all the covid and Brexit threads got/get moved too.

I can never see the issue. If you don't to read something you don't open the thread. It's very simple. I certainly don't open every thread in AIBU or chat or even the trending ones as they don't all pique my interest.

Are threads about threads allowed now? Because that's all this is.

And I also think that Coronavirus threads should be in that topic etc etc. I really dislike AIBU as a general dumping ground.

That is a jump, don't you think?

The post I replied to and quoted specifically stated that some FWR posters get fed up - so not much of a jump tbh.

With regards to the rest of your post, it's a difference of opinion. The same could be said for Whatwouldscullydo post. You think it's wrong, other people don't and the two sides end up yelling at each other.

Personally my view is that I mostly agree with your view, but can't get worked up about loos.

Loos aside. Safguarding and the law should apply to everyone shouldn't it?

Why is it overlooked when it comes to this.

Law amd regulations aren't opinions.

If companies have written policies that are incorrect that affe to everyone regardless of whether you fall into the characteristic that's been left off or incorrectly written.

I'm not personally affected if the pub down the road serves a 16 year old. However the law states its illegal and they should ve reported.

I'm not personally affected if someone steals a loaf of cream from tesco. But stealing is illegal .

Our schools and work.places should be following the.law.

Loaf of bread.

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, but can't get worked up about loos.

It is actually a really good debating tactic. A lot of people, women included, can't get worked up about toilets. The few people who do are then painted as being bigots or nasty or hysterical. It is then much more difficult to talk about males in womens changing rooms, sports, prison cells etc.

I really dislike AIBU as a general dumping ground.

So what topics are acceptable AIBU ones, do you have a list? I thought that was the general idea of this board, no? A broad catch all for asking questions?

@Whatwouldscullydo

Loos aside. Safguarding and the law should apply to everyone shouldn't it?

Why is it overlooked when it comes to this.

Law amd regulations aren't opinions.

If companies have written policies that are incorrect that affe to everyone regardless of whether you fall into the characteristic that's been left off or incorrectly written.

I'm not personally affected if the pub down the road serves a 16 year old. However the law states its illegal and they should ve reported.

I'm not personally affected if someone steals a loaf of cream from tesco. But stealing is illegal .

Our schools and work.places should be following the.law.

Absolutely. But this thread was meant to be about why FWR in AIBU is always (allegedly) moved and yesterday I tried to explain.

It's now been tweaked into another trans thread so I'm probably best off leaving it.

The simple solution is you read the title and ignore if you don't want to read it.

Its what most if us do quite successfully most of the time.

No ones making us read anything.

@MilkTwoSugarsThanks

That’s interesting, because there is rarely any shouting or name-calling on the FWR boards themselves.

FWR has become a bit of an echo chamber to be honest.

The regular posters there are very intelligent and well-informed. Seems to me that the regular AIBU posters could benefit from more input from the feminist posters tbh.

Aaaaand there we have it. "Us MNFeminists are more intelligent than you plebs."

That's why they get reported and moved.

Well that’s a bit petty, isn’t it?

I was speaking as an impartial observer- I don’t post on FWR, so I wasn’t claiming any part in that intelligent debate. I don’t generally post here either, but I am sickened by posters who denigrate feminism tbh so thought I’d just say what I’ve seen.

@Whatwouldscullydo

The simple solution is you read the title and ignore if you don't want to read it.

Its what most if us do quite successfully most of the time.

No ones making us read anything.

Yep, it's what I do. I don't even have FWR hidden. But the OP asked a specific question and, as someone who's been on this site since 2004 (I think!) I tried to give the explanation that has been given so many times. You don't have to like that answer, but that's what it is.

Well that’s a bit petty, isn’t it?

I was speaking as an impartial observer- I don’t post on FWR, so I wasn’t claiming any part in that intelligent debate. I don’t generally post here either, but I am sickened by posters who denigrate feminism tbh so thought I’d just say what I’ve seen.*

All I did was say what I've seen too. Some FWR members can be just as disparaging towards others as others are towards them. 🤷🏼‍♀️

As plenty of mumsnetters seem to be male, I think it's fair enough to discuss issues that could affect their mum, sister, wife, daughter etc on the main site. A lot of women may not seek out FWR but I would imagine they have an interest in how they are being reclassified in some areas of government.

I read the AIBU thread about the word "mother" yesterday and thought it was very much something that should be discussed among the wider population. I don't know why some posters get their knickers in a twist about stuff being in the "wrong" topic. Surely the OP generally decides which topic to post on, and this board certainly generates plenty of discussion.

If it were wider topics around feminism then I would be happy to read and learn, but the constant tirade about what rights trans should or shouldn’t have is tedious, and tbh offensive.

Substitute the word ‘trans’ for any other protected characteristic and the horrible nature of this mindset is even more obvious.

I could not give a shit what people call themselves, which skin they’re happiest in and who they fancy. Give it a bloody rest.

That thread should not have been consigned to the Feminism Board because it is not a feminist issue.

Erasure of language and misrepresentation of laws of this country by Stonewall effects every single one of us from the way our children have been taught in schools to the way women have been forced to share safe spaces with males. It has been wholescale institutional capture by a lobby group.

Everyone needs to be aware of it not just women who identify as feminists and seek out the feminism boards.

I don't know why some posters get their knickers in a twist about stuff being in the "wrong" topic.

I do, the TRAs don't want sunlight on this. Consigning these issues to 'nasty' feminists and saying that these views are akin to being antisemitic (as stated by the head of Stonewall last week) is very convenient for an ideology which cares not at all about the erosion and misrepresentation of womens rights.

This is a pure and simple attempt to shut women up. Many of us have had enough.

So what topics are acceptable AIBU ones, do you have a list?

Well, a post where the OP genuinely wants to know if they've been unreasonable. Like the thread is meant to be. Not some nonsense made up "am I being unreasonable to think [political opinion I am totally committed to]" or "am I unreasonable to tell you about [thing I wanted to tell you anyway]". And definitely not posts where there isn't even a question and it just starts with "everyone should read this Daily Mail article".