To think people are crazy to give the covid vaccination to their children

[Ilovewatermelon]

After being approved for 12-15 year olds , I'm wondering how many would actually volunteer their child to get the jab?

1000 or so out of 68 million vaccines given is a very very very low statistic and one my 16yo was ok with

@pigeonpocket

But we do know that they are safe to give. We don't know that yet for the covid vaccine.

Do we? How? Have you read all of the data for them? Most parents don't, they just trust the NHS. Except for covid vaccines for some reason.

The meningitis B vaccine is relatively new, it was introduced in 2015. After trials on fewer children than were/are in covid trials. The UK was the first to introduce it. Meningitis B deaths are very low, although they're even lower now the vaccine has been introduced. It also has side effects with most babies getting a fever after having it. Were parents in 2015 and 2016 crazy to let their babies have it? I bet some of the people who are wary of the covid vaccine happily let their baby have the MenB vaccine with no worries about the safety of it.

OK, but how does the morbidity rate from Meningitis B compare to covid? I suspect it's much higher.

Do people let their children have the flu nasal spray at Primary school? This is partly given to protect older, vulnerable people.

Fucking mental. There's no chance I'd let my children have it until there was years of data gathered.

Fair enough - but there will never be years of data if everyone has your attitude. Do you realise that the data comes from people having the vaccine? It doesn't just appear by itself over time?

I'm old enough to have a relative crippled by polio and a friend blinded by rubella.

I feel the rise of the anti vaxxers has been fuelled partly by stupidity / internet bollocks but also partly by growing up in the luxury of living in a fully vaccinated world.

Parents cannot override their children's decision to have a vaccine or not. I hope your children do the sensible thing to protect their own health as well as that of the community

I was very happy to have the vaccine myself. I genuinely don’t know what to do about my 12 year old.

@ineedaholidaynow

Do people let their children have the flu nasal spray at Primary school? This is partly given to protect older, vulnerable people.

Wasn't available to mine when they were at primary school so they've never had it. Always wondered why it's not offered at secondary level especially seeing as they're now classed as germ-harbouring super-spreaders.

My daughter will probably be one of the first young ones ( 8 ) our consultants are really trying to push for them to be available.
She will be there in an instant.
She is one of those few children who are really vulnerable and been thrown back in to schools with no vaccinations ( I fought this )

@Nohugstoday25 I hope you can get it sorted. I think many people forget the very medically vulnerable children in school, when talking about COVID not impacting children.

There have been 1580 road traffic deaths in UK June 2019 - June 2020. I do not even think about having my DS in the car with me. People need to reset their risk assessment sensors IMO

The news currently coming out of Israel is that they are seeing a probable link between pfizer and heart inflammation, most notably in males aged 16-19. So. With that in mind, are people still confident to rush out and vaccinate their child.

Yes, vaccines have side effects, and, more importantly, so do most illnesses. The outcome of long covid sounds horrific to inflict on a child, or for them to live with the guilt if they infect a loved one.
My 13 yr old is mature enough to understand how vaccines work & how they help to prevent the spread of covid. She hates injections but is still willing & prepared to have the jab.
I don't care what names you call me for supporting her decision.

@Nohugstoday25
We are waiting for ds's consultant to call us back about him having it(he is nearly 11)..he too is in that horrible limbo of no longer shielding, back in school, but still as vulnerable as ever.
Good luck

@pennylane83

The news currently coming out of Israel is that they are seeing a probable link between pfizer and heart inflammation, most notably in males aged 16-19. So. With that in mind, are people still confident to rush out and vaccinate their child.

There is also evidence to say that heart inflammation can be preexisting but not be noticed until that age group anyway. Stats are no different to the general population usually.

TinaYouFatLard

Not being too snarky but why on earth is a 12 year old child “desperate” to get this?

Why indeed?

@pennylane83

The news currently coming out of Israel is that they are seeing a probable link between pfizer and heart inflammation, most notably in males aged 16-19. So. With that in mind, are people still confident to rush out and vaccinate their child.

Yes I would. As reported the EMA said that heart inflammation after receiving Pfizer has no cause for concern as such incidents were similar rate to those in the general population and young men are prone to the condition. Israel has also given the green light for 12-15 year olds to be vaccinated.

If DS were old enough definitely. It stops spread & helps protect them & therefore others. In the same way that i & lots of others kept children off nursery /school if we /they were shielding themselves last summer as that what was advised at the time to stop spread surely its just following latest advice as well as protecting them?

Not sure why this would be crazy?

@pennylane83

The news currently coming out of Israel is that they are seeing a probable link between pfizer and heart inflammation, most notably in males aged 16-19. So. With that in mind, are people still confident to rush out and vaccinate their child.

On the other hand, there are cases of children contracting MIS-C (multi system inflammatory syndrome) after having Covid, so, again, it's a matter of weighing risk.

@TinaYouFatLard Not being too snarky but why on earth is a 12 year old child “desperate” to get this

I can completely see why a 12 year old might be desperate to have a vaccine to protect them from COVID. You’ve got no idea what the 12 year olds story is. Maybe they have lost several family members to COVID and are struggling massively with coping at the moment. Some children have struggled massively through lockdown and can not bear the thought of having to go through that again, maybe they think that the more young people have the vaccine, the less likely they are to close schools again (which I think would be true)..Having the vaccine might help them to worry less about catching the illness and about passing it on to other much loved family members.

My 13 year old is Also very keen to be vaccinated and sees it as playing his part to protect society. I have no problem with him being vaccinated as soon as it is offered for his age group.

@Ilovewatermelon

stats don't lie !

fullfact.org/online/1102-vaccine-adr-death/

As I said - you don't have a clue about statistics.

@Kettledodger

There have been 1580 road traffic deaths in UK June 2019 - June 2020. I do not even think about having my DS in the car with me. People need to reset their risk assessment sensors IMO

Agree

I'm not ok with the name-calling, but I personally wouldn't have my child vaccinated against Covid at this stage.

I remember back to when he received his MMR jab and, even though I was perfectly happy for him to have it, I was offered a dialogue with the GP to alleviate any concerns I may have had. This opportunity clearly isn't available right now and I feel that I would want a discussion and the opportunity to ask some questions to a medical professional before giving my consent.

I would rather a team of experts in vaccinology guide me as to whether it is safe for 12-15 year olds. I mean, these people have studied this stuff for years and built their careers on it so wouldn’t imagine that I would make a better judgement about it

yes a link is being looked at - in a small number of cases - where people recovered - vaccines all have risk - the thing is to weight up the vaccine risk V the risk from disease - not juts to young people catching Covid but to spreading it, more lockdowns, education, social isolation - all of those impacts.

I think the decision should be for the young people - it's their body

Of course all issues should be investigated and followed up - but there is a big difference between a small bump in numbers in Israel and wake up and do the math - the covid vaccine is killing thousands of people

Houseofvelour Sun 06-Jun-21 19:06:51
Ilovewatermelon

@TinaYouFatLard

At least there's a couple with common sense. It's a brand new never been tried before technology that plenty of doctors and scientists have also warned against! We're only allowed to listen to the opinion of Sage via the BBC. There's been over a 1000 deaths already in the UK according to the governments own under reported data and plenty more adverse reactions! These are just the short term effects , no one knows the long term effects!! Quite frankly I can't see why any parent would risk this. If you've done your research fine but many haven't and I'm shocked. This is still in trial stages with no liability from manufacturers who gave previously paid out billions in compensation. DO THE MATH

Could you provide a link for an official report that 1000 have died from the vaccine please?
No, YouTube does not count.

I watched the Andrew Marr show on youtube today. Are you telling me that what I watched, doesn't count? Please do respond.