To think people are crazy to give the covid vaccination to their children

[Ilovewatermelon]

After being approved for 12-15 year olds , I'm wondering how many would actually volunteer their child to get the jab?

Each to their own. I won't be encouraging mine to have it. It's not about the risk of death from the vaccine, it's about unknown other impacts from the vaccine.

The risk of death from covid to under 16s (even ones with other conditions) is negligible. The risk of long covid is a little higher in those that do get it but the data indicates the symptoms do ease given time.

To think that people are crazy to give the covid vaccination to their children

Sure. I definitely wouldn't be giving it to them myself. But that's ok as we have health professionals to administering the vaccination for us.

Covid is known to have neurological effects; its not just a respiratory virus. Nobody knows if there could be long term effects, like an increase in dementia?

www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cognitive-effects-of-covid-2020100821133

IMO, its not as simple as saying we don’t know what the effects of the vaccine are?

I think I’d be more hesitant if new variants didn’t keep cropping up. The way things are going, who knows when we’re gonna get the biggest baddest one of all?

OK, but how does the morbidity rate from Meningitis B compare to covid? I suspect it's much higher.

Morbidity or mortality rate?
From what I can find, 42 children have died from covid from March 2020 to March 2021. Around 50-170 people, mostly children, died from MenB before the vaccine was introduced. MenB is much more deadly if you get it, but also much less prevalent so there are far fewer cases than there are of covid.
You also have to bear in mind that those 42 covid deaths happened even with lockdowns, social distancing and mask wearing, which is about to stop.

@eandz13

Fucking mental. There's no chance I'd let my children have it until there was years of data gathered.

Good thing parents didn’t say that with all the childhood vaccines all kids get. We’d still have people crippled from polio.

@delilahbucket

I am also offended that you are calling people crazy. DS is 13 and would like to have it. I have done a lot of research on the Pfizer vaccine that I have had myself. And... WILL PEOPLE STOP SAYING IT IS A NEW TECHNOLOGY WHEN IT ISN'T!!! They have been studying these types of vaccines for 30+ years and testing on humans for several years already. They have managed to finally produce a stable protein thanks to all the extra funding. They already use this type of treatment for cancer patients. At least if you are choosing not to have the vaccine and are trying to say why, give a legitimate reason, not some rubbish someone once posted on Facebook 🙄

And... WILL PEOPLE STOP SAYING IT IS A NEW TECHNOLOGY WHEN IT ISN'T!!! They have been studying these types of vaccines for 30+ years

Fair play. If that is correct then why on earth has it only been emergency approved?

It's not all about the risk to the recipient though is it. It's about a wider societal perspective too. The more who are immunised the less transmission within the community

A risk which is minimal IMO btw

@SnackSizeRaisin yes... data gathered in a few years time from the grown adults who have made their own choices to have the vaccine presently. I really didn't think what I wrote was that tricky to figure out.

Mine’s only 10 but if/when the vaccine is approved in her age group she’ll get it. She’s had all other jabs offered.

Why is it seen as fine to put children at potential risk of treatable heart inflammation but not to put adults at risk of treatable blood clotting.

who said it was fine?

What I think OP is that people who need to give a thread a title like this one has, are not capable of rational argument and so what they have to say isn't worth listening to.

[quote Ilovewatermelon]@JaneTheVirgin

You're stupid enough to believe the covid vaccine has killed 1000 people in the UK, proving you don't know a thing about statistics and then tell OTHER parents to do their research? Wow

stats don't lie ![/quote]
@Ilovewatermelon

You seem to have misunderstood.

The vaccine confers protection from coronavirus, not immortality.
It is perfectly possible to die from unrelated disease or injury after having the vaccine:

The MHRA has received 396 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 831 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 4 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 22 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. Usage of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death.

A range of other isolated or series of reports of non-fatal, serious suspected ADRs have been reported. These all remain under continual review, including through analysis of expected rates in the absence of vaccine. There are currently no indications of specific patterns or rates of reporting that would suggest the vaccine has played a role.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#analysis-of-data

I think you'd be crazy to not let your 12-15 year old have the covid vaccine! But then again, I actually studied immunology at uni, not youtube videos made by antivax nutjobs.

STOP THE PRESS OP HAS PROVIDED SCREEN SHOTS

Fyi it would be useful to provide your source. Also, the screen shots don't agree with each other.

@Baluchistan95 The Andrew Marr show is shown by the BBC and then uploaded on youtube. As it's an official news channel then yes, of course it counts.

My point is that many anti-vaxxers get their sources from conspiracy theorists spouting utter bullshit on youtube.
Any credible information will be shown through data on official sites.

I thought it was obvious enough to not need an explanation.

@GoldRhino

You’re being insulting. Seeing as 126,000 people have died we will certainly be vaccinating our child.

Err the vast majority were very elderly, avg age 82 ?

No way would i give this vaccine, completely un tested, over time, to children.

Its only being done to protect adults, which is completely unethical.

@annie335 a close family friend has a 3 year old who picked up coronavirus at nursery. No symptoms but then critically ill with long covid symptoms and life changing damage done. Children can and do get sick. Yes it's rare but it does happen.

My sons epileptic. More dangerous not to have the jab. A bad fever could bring on a seizure.

Good thing parents didn’t say that with all the childhood vaccines all kids get. We’d still have people crippled from polio

FFS Polio is a known very serious risk to children.

Covid (at present) is not plus any vaccine given now is likely to be completely negated with new variants that will be vaccine resistant, as we seem unable to realise that unless we vaccinate the world we are at mortal risk.

Amazing so many people are willing to put their kids at risk to protect themselves.

Amazing so many people are willing to put their kids at risk to protect themselves.

It wouldn’t be for me, as I’ll be vaccinated. I’d consider risk profile for them.

Mine has already has hers, jan and April. OK, she was 16 rather than a 'child'. Her choice and she needed it for work. Anyway, if a teen is gillick competent, they can consent to their own medical treatment.

@pigeonpocket

OK, but how does the morbidity rate from Meningitis B compare to covid? I suspect it's much higher.

Morbidity or mortality rate?
From what I can find, 42 children have died from covid from March 2020 to March 2021. Around 50-170 people, mostly children, died from MenB before the vaccine was introduced. MenB is much more deadly if you get it, but also much less prevalent so there are far fewer cases than there are of covid.
You also have to bear in mind that those 42 covid deaths happened even with lockdowns, social distancing and mask wearing, which is about to stop.

There were 40 deaths aged 0-19 but it doesn't specify any further detail such as comorbidities. Children are asymptomatic carriers. Rarely do they get ill from it. Vaccinating children will be 'for the greater good' ie to protect adults (some of whom refused to be vaccinated). I'm not sure if that is moral, especially for the majority of children at the younger end of the age group.