To think people are crazy to give the covid vaccination to their children

[Ilovewatermelon]

After being approved for 12-15 year olds , I'm wondering how many would actually volunteer their child to get the jab?

Also? The very thing with peer reviewed science is that it does, by its very nature evolve.

It hasn't had time to evolve sufficiently regarding this particular vaccine for me to feel confident in consenting to it on behalf of my children.

Eh?
Why NOT?

@Terminallysleepdeprived

Having watched my friends 15 year old nearly die from post covid complications I will absolutely be having dd vaccinated when her time comes (currently 7).

My sons sporty 12 year old friend can no longer manage the short walk to school, can’t do PE, and has had to give up his beloved football, because 6 months after having COVID his lungs are still weak and he gets exhausted within minutes.

[quote Ilovewatermelon]@JaneTheVirgin

You're stupid enough to believe the covid vaccine has killed 1000 people in the UK, proving you don't know a thing about statistics and then tell OTHER parents to do their research? Wow

stats don't lie ![/quote]

Link?

@Ilovewatermelon

And how many people in the uk have been killed by Covid?
A hell of a lot more, that's how many.
For someone who loves stats so much, you aren't great at comparing them.

Yes it’s crazy.

[quote Ilovewatermelon]@JaneTheVirgin

You're stupid enough to believe the covid vaccine has killed 1000 people in the UK, proving you don't know a thing about statistics and then tell OTHER parents to do their research? Wow

stats don't lie ![/quote]
But there is no detail in those stats, what are they classing as a fatality? Are they sure their is a link not just coincidence?

[quote Ilovewatermelon]@JaneTheVirgin

You're stupid enough to believe the covid vaccine has killed 1000 people in the UK, proving you don't know a thing about statistics and then tell OTHER parents to do their research? Wow

stats don't lie ![/quote]
I think you’ve misunderstood. I believe the first table is deaths from COVID who had already at least one vaccine. That does not mean they died because of the jab. It means they died despite having it. I imagine the majority had only had one dose.

The second table shows 61 deaths attributed to clots from the AZ vaccination. It’s about 2 in a million. Do you have the same stats for Pfizer, since that is what teens will be offered?

[quote Ilovewatermelon]@JaneTheVirgin

You're stupid enough to believe the covid vaccine has killed 1000 people in the UK, proving you don't know a thing about statistics and then tell OTHER parents to do their research? Wow

stats don't lie ![/quote]
fullfact.org/online/1102-vaccine-adr-death/

I've generally found that the ability to analyse numbers and statistics is strikingly lacking with those who hold to conspiracy theories.

Yes my 13 and 15 year old will get as soon as they are offered. They both want to

But we do know that they are safe to give. We don't know that yet for the covid vaccine.

Do we? How? Have you read all of the data for them? Most parents don't, they just trust the NHS. Except for covid vaccines for some reason.

The meningitis B vaccine is relatively new, it was introduced in 2015. After trials on fewer children than were/are in covid trials. The UK was the first to introduce it. Meningitis B deaths are very low, although they're even lower now the vaccine has been introduced. It also has side effects with most babies getting a fever after having it. Were parents in 2015 and 2016 crazy to let their babies have it? I bet some of the people who are wary of the covid vaccine happily let their baby have the MenB vaccine with no worries about the safety of it.

For those saying they have done their own risk assessment so their teenagers aren't having it, what happens when their teenager says they are having it when asked by medical professionals, as is their right

Fucking mental. There's no chance I'd let my children have it until there was years of data gathered.

Ill be encouraging my children to get it if offered. I dont want another lockdown, do you?

@WhatMattersMost

I've generally found that the ability to analyse numbers and statistics is strikingly lacking with those who hold to conspiracy theories.

So true I thought my intelligent MIL was getting some sort of paranoid dementia, but it turned out to be just a bad case of tinhatitis. Cured by disconnecting the internet.

@eandz13 if they are old enough to give consent (Gillick competent) you might not have a choice

People who died within 100 days of having the vaccine? Or who died OF the vaccine- because you know the latter is not the case don’t you?

I'm all for vaccination but the below is completely dramatic and just untrue

14 year old friends son is diabetic - he needs the vaccine to have any chance of surviving COVID

Wow you really don’t understand statistics do you

stats don't lie !

May be not - but you are lying about the stats. These are deaths after the vaccine - not due to the vaccine. 1000 people dying after having a vaccine is not surprising when you consider that people die all the time. 95% of over 90s have been vaccinated. It would be miraculous if none of them died afterwards!

Plus the proportion of deaths is similar for all vaccines as well as for people who haven't been vaccinated.

The second table showed the real number of deaths - it's an order of magnitude less than what you are claiming.

[quote Ilovewatermelon]@JaneTheVirgin

You're stupid enough to believe the covid vaccine has killed 1000 people in the UK, proving you don't know a thing about statistics and then tell OTHER parents to do their research? Wow

stats don't lie ![/quote]
Do you have a link to the source of those stats please @Ilovewatermelon

As the vaccine isn't for their benefit, it's been widely acknowledged it's to protect the older generations - and they should already be vaccinated, I don't feel it's necessary for my children to be vaccinated as the actual risk to them from catching COVID is practically non-existent. At some point, we have to start being responsible for our OWN health and safety. If however, they want to have it, then it's up to them, but I won't be telling them they have to. Their body, their choice. They're old enough to make that decision for themselves.

@JulietBravo999 - I hear you!

Another one that's often overlooked is the "causation/correlation" factor.