To think people are crazy to give the covid vaccination to their children

[Ilovewatermelon]

After being approved for 12-15 year olds , I'm wondering how many would actually volunteer their child to get the jab?

This is what is happening in India for those saying Covid isn't dangerous to children.

India battles deadly child illness that strikes during Coronavirus recovery

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/04cfb5ec-c6f3-11eb-b6f5-fed739e7c1ca?shareToken=53cc7c26dd8ea5b60ad390d5d325e1b0

My children will be immunised as and when the schedule requires it. My 13 year old is autistic, has severe anxiety, and would receive the vaccine in a heartbeat as he wants to have a measure of control over this whole shitshow of a year. For him, being immunised means an added layer of safety, and I will not be disabusing him of that viewpoint.

@jasjas1973 please remember that the probability of getting a blood clot from the vaccine (1/250,000) is lower than the risk of a blood clot from taking the contraceptive pill (16/10,000) and that has been considered an acceptable risk since the 1960s.

Problem is if they don't and the virus continues to infect younger people there's more chance of a mutation... Potentially into something worse which the vaccines don't work against.

Agree but we run this risk regardless because the rest of the world aren't vaccinated.

I am happy to have my children vaccinated but honestly it does not sit well on my conscience to think of healthy 12 year olds receiving vaccines while a 60 year old in another part of the world is two years away and far more at risk of serious complications and death.

It actually makes me feel quite sick to think about the sheer inequality of it all.

I think we should vaccinate say anyone above 40, those with high BMI and vulnerability, and donate the rest to countries without enough to do at risk groups. Then when they are done, vaccinate healthy + young + low BMI groups here.

please remember that the probability of getting a blood clot from the vaccine (1/250,000) is lower than the risk of a blood clot from taking the contraceptive pill (16/10,000) and that has been considered an acceptable risk since the 1960s.

But the probability of death from covid is far less in certain groups, and also many many women and girls cannot have the pill for that exact reason (myself included). There is also the argument that you take the pill for your own benefits, not for the greater good of society.

Also different types of clots. The clots which are a risk factor with contraceptive pill are fairly common and easily treatable.

Posters like Ilovewatermelon should be kicked off this site. If you don't want to vaccinate your children, that's your choice. To deliberately begin a thread in order to post anti-vax lies and attempt to scare other people out of vaccinating their children is disgusting. What sort of person does such a thing?

There is no valid reason to imunise an otherwise healthy 12 year old against a disease which is of such an minute danger to them.
By it's very nature nobody can have a possible clue about any long term harm.
For reference the study declaring this particular vaccine safe was a 2 month study on just over 1130 children....
Those of you happy to take part in an unpaid mass clinical trial- go ahead but unless your children have serious co-morbidities- you are exactly what the OP described..

I'm not certain, I don't think that the risk is huge to DD, given that the schools have said that children are at very small risk.

I will however, ask if I can discuss this with our GP. Based on DDs health history, I'd like an opinion on whether it is worthwhile vaccinating her against at this age, and whilst her health is good.

@TinaYouFatLard thank you for your sensible post!

When the hell did we stop believing in science?

@pinkearedcow

Posters like Ilovewatermelon should be kicked off this site. If you don't want to vaccinate your children, that's your choice. To deliberately begin a thread in order to post anti-vax lies and attempt to scare other people out of vaccinating their children is disgusting. What sort of person does such a thing?

I think they have been as said account was closed with slightly different name, now seem to be gone.

Arcof I agree with you it’s not to protect adults here either

That's good to know MarshaBradyo, thank you.

My 18 year has already had her first dose, second dose booked for next Friday. My 14 year old is keen to have the vaccine as soon as he can.

Both have asthma and are keen to minimise transmission as their Dad is CEV.

@pinkearedcow

Posters like Ilovewatermelon should be kicked off this site. If you don't want to vaccinate your children, that's your choice. To deliberately begin a thread in order to post anti-vax lies and attempt to scare other people out of vaccinating their children is disgusting. What sort of person does such a thing?

I agree with you, up to a point: I think that seeing these kinds of 'arguments' dismantled fairly quickly can be very helpful, particularly for those who are dealing with conspiracy theorists in their everyday lives. My sister and I have cut contact over her extreme beliefs, and this thread would have been very helpful to me at a particular point.

True, WhatMattersMost, it is useful for others to see how the arguments fall apart.

[quote updownroundandround]@Ilovewatermelonn

Having had a quick look at your other posts

Such as this one

Exactly , freedoms, livelihoods, people's sanity, lives!! are all being lost the longer we comply

It's very sad that (like flu) the very elderly and the very vunerable die but at what cost is this now!! The flu/covid/common colds will ramp up again come autumn, and more of these people (like every winter) will die, but this will most likely be blamed on a new variant or lack of vaccine uptake so they can continue to keep us under some sort of restrictions

It's clear you are seriously deluded, and firmly in the ''shame some other folks need to die, but if that's what needs to happen just so that my life can carry on as normal, then tough shit'' camp.

You've had your answer, YABU, now toddle off and keep your insanity to yourself.[/quote]
She’s been posting anti mask stuff as well. Thankfully it looks like she has been booted off the site

[quote HalfShrunkMoreToGo]@jasjas1973 please remember that the probability of getting a blood clot from the vaccine (1/250,000) is lower than the risk of a blood clot from taking the contraceptive pill (16/10,000) and that has been considered an acceptable risk since the 1960s.[/quote]
Yes i am aware of that, my point was to a poster who said there were no serious side effects in the child based trials.

Until we start vaccinating very large numbers of children, we won't pick up (if any) serious complications.
100s of people in the UK have had clotting issues and 80+ have died, sure tiny % but if you were previously healthy, low risk of CV and then died, you'd not be v happy.

Comparisons with the pill are not fair, a: we know the risks before hand and b: the pill isn't necessary to prevent death/serious illness (normally) nor is it required to travel!!

Obviously children with health issues etc should get vaccinated but as i have said on previous threads on vaccinating healthy young people, we should be vaccinating developing countries vulnerable & healthcare workers first.

@Watchingyou2sleezes

There is no valid reason to imunise an otherwise healthy 12 year old against a disease which is of such an minute danger to them. By it's very nature nobody can have a possible clue about any long term harm. For reference the study declaring this particular vaccine safe was a 2 month study on just over 1130 children.... Those of you happy to take part in an unpaid mass clinical trial- go ahead but unless your children have serious co-morbidities- you are exactly what the OP described..

The vaccine approved for children has already been injected into millions and millions of arms of people aged 16 and over with very few serious adverse reactions.

You are wrong about the numbers in thtrials.

"Over 2000 children aged 12-15 years were studied as part of the randomised, placebo-controlled clinical trials. There were no cases of COVID-19 from 7 days after the second dose in the vaccinated group, compared with 16 cases in the placebo group. In addition, data on neutralising antibodies showed the vaccine working at the same level as seen in adults aged 16-25 years."

"No new side effects were identified and the safety data in children was comparable with that seen in young adults. As in young adults, the majority of adverse events were mild to moderate and relating to reactogenicity, such as a sore arm or tiredness"

www.gov.uk/government/news/the-mhra-concludes-positive-safety-profile-for-pfizerbiontech-vaccine-in-12-to-15-year-olds

Of which 1134 were actually given this vaccine. 3 of that cohort actually developed pulmonary embolisms, when a paediatric specialist would likely see 3 or so in a 30 odd year career.
Some people need maths lessons, the likelihood of a healthy 12-15 year old dying from covid us about 1 in 2.5 Million.
Let's be generous and give a fatal reaction to this jab of 1 in 250000.
A mass jab program on those numbers would likely kill 10 times more kids than covid ever would.

You are putting your kids into a clinical trial for a vaccine- for a disease- that if they caught it- would not do them any significant harm.
A mass role out will inevitably result in some kind of vaccine injuries for a number of children that covid would not have harmed.
Then there's the complete unknown of long term possible effects..

I caught a nasty dose of covid that had both myself &
DP ill fir a month & I've also had a double jab by in case anyone thinks I'm some anti vaxxer, covid denying loon

@Watchingyou2sleezes

Of which 1134 were actually given this vaccine. 3 of that cohort actually developed pulmonary embolisms, when a paediatric specialist would likely see 3 or so in a 30 odd year career. Some people need maths lessons, the likelihood of a healthy 12-15 year old dying from covid us about 1 in 2.5 Million. Let's be generous and give a fatal reaction to this jab of 1 in 250000. A mass jab program on those numbers would likely kill 10 times more kids than covid ever would.

You are putting your kids into a clinical trial for a vaccine- for a disease- that if they caught it- would not do them any significant harm.
A mass role out will inevitably result in some kind of vaccine injuries for a number of children that covid would not have harmed.
Then there's the complete unknown of long term possible effects..

I caught a nasty dose of covid that had both myself &
DP ill fir a month & I've also had a double jab by in case anyone thinks I'm some anti vaxxer, covid denying loon

Then there's the complete unknown of long term possible effects.

The same is true of Covid, though. Increasing cases of long-Covid in children, as well as a Kawasaki-like disease with MIS-C.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I wanted to point out that there are risks on both sides of the vaccinate/don't vaccinate argument.

Of which 1134 were actually given this vaccine OK fair enough.

3 of that cohort actually developed pulmonary embolisms where is that info from?

@norki

please remember that the probability of getting a blood clot from the vaccine (1/250,000) is lower than the risk of a blood clot from taking the contraceptive pill (16/10,000) and that has been considered an acceptable risk since the 1960s.

But the probability of death from covid is far less in certain groups, and also many many women and girls cannot have the pill for that exact reason (myself included). There is also the argument that you take the pill for your own benefits, not for the greater good of society.

Agreed.

The side effect of blood clots is also discussed at your medical appointment for contraception and if you are deemed to be higher risk then alternatives are offered.

I had a blood clot a few years ago. After discussion with my doctors I changed contraceptive type

3 of that cohort actually developed pulmonary embolisms

a fatal reaction to this jab of 1 in 250000.

Could you link to the evidence of those figures - assuming these figures have been found to have proven links to the vaccine?

Crazy? No. There are lots of things that are crazy. Allowing your teenager to have a vaccination that’s been approved for their age group definitely isn’t.

Or if it is crazy, then taking your kids in a car - or for that matter giving birth to them - is absolutely mental.