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To think people are crazy to give the covid vaccination to their children

338 replies

Ilovewatermelon · 06/06/2021 18:17

After being approved for 12-15 year olds , I'm wondering how many would actually volunteer their child to get the jab?

OP posts:
LadyWhistledownsPen · 06/06/2021 21:43

I have a three year old a 7 month old and if they were old enough they'd be getting it

Ilovewatermelonn · 06/06/2021 21:44

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Sirzy · 06/06/2021 21:46

The curriculum really does need to change to include critical thinking and explain what a reliable source is

As for the low flu cases it’s amazing isn’t it that lockdown, social distancing and better hygiene reduce transmission of other illnesses too!

MaryJosephJesusAndTheWeeDonkey · 06/06/2021 21:46

@annie335

Yanbu There have been no studies on the effects of the vaccine on children. We know that children don't get ill or die from covid so we would be vaccinating them only to protect the adults. I don't think that's fair.
Are you actually kidding?! Of course they haves they're called clinical studies...!

Honestly, sometimes I despair at the uneducated

ghostyslovesheets · 06/06/2021 21:47

@Sirzy

The curriculum really does need to change to include critical thinking and explain what a reliable source is

As for the low flu cases it’s amazing isn’t it that lockdown, social distancing and better hygiene reduce transmission of other illnesses too!

Indeed !
MaryJosephJesusAndTheWeeDonkey · 06/06/2021 21:47

@PinkiOcelot

Just because someone is dubious about their child being given a still in the trial stage vaccine, doesn’t make them an anti vaxer FFS!
It's not in the trial stage... it's a licensed vaccine in this age group
OliviaWainright · 06/06/2021 21:51

Flu hasn't disappeared. But due to lock down, increased hand hygiene and mask wearing, flu rates have been incredibly low this year.

It's not a computer modelled genome any more than any genome is computer modelled these days.

Hospitals weren't empty during pandemic. Hospital corridors were kept as empty as clear as possible to reduced infection rates. I have worked in hospitals and on wards during covid.

The "deaths within 28 days" is just the daily dashboard data. This is followed up with more correct data, which is from the death certificate. But this is only released weekly, and runs 10 days behind. So the deaths within 28 days is the daily guideline figure.

Autopsies weren't banned, but we're slowed down for many reasons, including lack of staff as so many had been moved to work on covid wards.

Covid can be dangerous to children. Rubella isn't dangerous to children but they still get vaccinated for it to protect unborn children.

Undertakers have seen a massive rise in 'business'. Speak to any of them.

1000's of nurses aren't getting fired for speaking out against covid. The NHS can't afford to lose thousands of nurses for a start.

Government agencies do know it exists, and there is proof. It has been isolated.

That's a I can remember from the post. Hope it helps

Mousetown · 06/06/2021 21:51

The OP is anti mask as well as anti vaccine. Imagine the delusional sheer arrogance to believe you know better than scientists.

SnackSizeRaisin · 06/06/2021 21:53

@ilovewatermelonn
Most if not all of the things in that list are not even true..

PCR is frequently used to diagnose infectious diseases. It's known for being one of the most sensitive methods of testing.

As for only rule followers catch covid...where did you get that idea?

Autopsies haven't been banned

Thousands of nurses are not being sacked

Etc....

Hax · 06/06/2021 21:55

Most 12 to 15 year olds will be able to make their own decisions. Parental permission won't be required.

Mousetown · 06/06/2021 21:57

@Ilovewatermelonn

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This is one of the most paranoid rants I’ve ever read on mumsnet.
HairyToity · 06/06/2021 21:57

My kids have both tested positive at Christmas, one had a very mild virus (has had worse colds), and the other was asymptomatic. DH and I were both rough, but not hospitalised and do not have long covid.

No I will not be getting them vaccinated. If they'd not had covid so mildly I might have considered it.

DH and I have both had our vaccines, we didn't fancy being rough again this winter.

pabloescobarselasticband · 06/06/2021 21:57

My 15 year old has severe asthma, I would love him to have it.

WhatMattersMost · 06/06/2021 21:57

[quote ghostyslovesheets]ah yes my eyes are truly open medshadow.org/frontline-doctors/[/quote]
Thank you for this. I wish I had found it several months ago when my sister emailed me about the Frontline Doctors - particularly point 12, which answers my question back then of "why"/motive.

marmitegirl01 · 06/06/2021 22:00

I’m not volunteering my child. I had a discussion with her and asked what she wanted to do. She has a strong moral & social responsibility of her own volition.

anon12345678901 · 06/06/2021 22:01

@Sirzy

The curriculum really does need to change to include critical thinking and explain what a reliable source is

As for the low flu cases it’s amazing isn’t it that lockdown, social distancing and better hygiene reduce transmission of other illnesses too!

Exactly. Norovirus cases have also been low.
Source: www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(21)00101-8/fulltext
WhatMattersMost · 06/06/2021 22:02

@Sirzy

The curriculum really does need to change to include critical thinking and explain what a reliable source is

As for the low flu cases it’s amazing isn’t it that lockdown, social distancing and better hygiene reduce transmission of other illnesses too!

Yes. Please! I am staggered by the number of people who fail at any basic level of reasoned argument in this movement.
SnackSizeRaisin · 06/06/2021 22:03

@eandz13
Well surely data relating to adults is irrelevant to children?
There are loads of things licensed that are fine for adults but risky in children.
If you said you were waiting until everyone else's children had had it then at least that would be a logical position to take.

Daphnise · 06/06/2021 22:05

I disagree. But there's no point in trying to convince you. You have the right to your view, and as soon as any children you have are 16 I suspect they will make their own choices, maybe in a different way from you.

HazeyJaneII · 06/06/2021 22:08

@Ilovewatermelonn

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No I won't explain all that, because it is all bullshit.
HazeyJaneII · 06/06/2021 22:08

...ha, wasn't expecting that!

MarshaBradyo · 06/06/2021 22:10

I think the op has lost original account name and set up new one

Cryalot2 · 06/06/2021 22:14

Dh did not think uk would be affected when covid first hit the news.
Little did he know that all the family would take it he and another family member would battle for their lives in hospital. He survived but we lost 2 family members to it. It was one of the most awful things to have ever . Then many to be left with long covid .
Would I want any child or anyone to suffer that? No parent would want their child to have it and would do all they could to protect them and keep them safe.
Dh thought he never would be at risk let alone almost die from it.
Depends if you want to protect your child from it or risk it getting it.
We live surrounded by anti vaxxers, some give us a hard time for getting the flu vaccine.

Tealightsandd · 06/06/2021 22:18

www.businessinsider.com/more-teens-ending-up-hospitalized-covid-19-cdc-director-says-2021-6?r=US&IR=T

This is America but it's presumably the same risks here.

Children are at lower risk - but low isn't the same as no.

There was another very relevant article I read earlier too. I can't find it now. So sad. A mother and her 16 year old daughter both suffering from Long Covid. The poor 16 year old can't get help. She's struggling badly - but can't access a Long Covid clinic for help. Doctors keep telling her the clinics are only treating over 18s. Awful.

jasjas1973 · 06/06/2021 22:21

@MaryJosephJesusAndTheWeeDonkey

There was a SAGE scientist on Sky today saying exactly that, you would need to vaccinate many 10s of 1000s to prevent 1 child with a CV complication.

The articles i have read on this subject all say there is a ethical question on whether its correct to vaccinate children to protect adults.

These people are not badly educated.

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