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Friend is too messy/dirty...long-term problem

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DumbestBlonde · 02/06/2021 01:06

He is mid-40s, and has been my closest friend for about 18 years. His family had a farm (turkeys, potatoes, cattle), and then focussed on horses, which is how we became friends. It has never been romantic (although he a bit of a things about me at first) and I was married when I first took my horses to their yard.

The farmhouse was always - -- messy, I'm sorry to say. His mother was overworked by her husband (constantly buyinghorses and leaving her to look after them), so never had chance to look after the domestic side of things..... She worked so hard (for no money) that she missed a mammogram that could have spotted the breast cancer that then metastisised to her liver and killed her in her mid 50s.

Sorry for backstory...... Anyway, he and I have both come "down" in the world and now live a few doors apart - both in rented properties (and yet both have wealthy fathers as it happens).

i have unfortunately fallen into a pattern of following his schedule around his work and horse....Meaning that I have actually made myself quite unwell by starving myself to eat later. I have also usually prepared the meal, using a digital pressure cooker - so the food is at least very very healthy......

BUT - he is taking NO care at all of his apartment. And, I am sorry to say, it is filthy..... The furniture was brought from the farm and is very old and the soft furnishing s ae ingrained with the dirt of years. He will not wipe surfaces in the kitchen (I prepare the food there, to leave it ready on a timer for later), or the floor, or the drainer - pr antthing pretty much. There is a thick layer of dust on everything, from the skirting boards up. The only thing that is kept clean is my piano (by me), which is in his spare room, as my neighbours hate the pinao, and his previous upstairs neighbour didn't mind.

I fear very much that he never changes his bedlinen and I have seen briefly though a slightly open door, that there are just piles of dirty clothes, leaving a path to his bed.

He saves the serviettes that I have used....... (??)

I don't know what to do.... I have tried hinting - and occasionally say outright, "please could you just clean this little area?" Tonight, I asked hin to clean an area for the bags of cat food, and he looked so affronted, even though I said it quite kindly and matter-of-factly...

I cannot clean FOR him; I have done so before, and he gets quite offended (and sulky) about it. One occasion, back at the farm, it was impossible to even get into the house though all the tack and horse junk in the porch. I tried to, again, matter-of-factly, help him go through it - but he would not LET me do it (I was less attached/emotional), nor would he help me. It was so infuriating - and when the day came to leave the farmhouse (his father had sold it from under him), it all had to be done and cleared in one day because he hadn't done anything beforehand.

It may well be a trait, and it may well be depression of some sort - which I would understand....and try to help. But, for now, it is really putting me off going round and/or cooking - and it is having an underlying negative effect on the friendship.

How do I help him? (And the friendship, which is being damaged.)

OP posts:
unwuthering · 02/06/2021 05:12

Whatever is causing him to live like this... It's a mystery. and not yours to solve or fix.

You didn’t Cause it, you can’t Control it, you can’t Cure it.

I have actually made myself quite unwell by starving myself to eat later.

Yeah, don't do that. Work on what you can control - when you eat, what you cook, and where you cook it. Cook at your place, as suggested above.

Blueberry40 · 02/06/2021 05:28

There is a condition called hoarding disorder www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/hoarding-disorder/ and it sounds like you’re friend could be suffering with this. It often seems to be triggered by loss/bereavement and can make someone very defensive/anxious/angry if asked to move anything or throw something away.

Ultimately it can be dangerous as the individual often ends up living in very unsanitary conditions. It sounds like you’re a really lovely person and care a lot about your friend. I would encourage him to seek help as from what you describe, he is clearly suffering and by proxy, so are you! His doctor should be able to refer him as this is a recognised disorder and I think there are helplines you can call that would be able to give more advice.

ChocOrange1 · 02/06/2021 05:39

Time to take a step back from the relationship OP. Stop going over to his house every single day. Cook for yourself and make an extra portion if you want, but there's no need to do it at his house and wait up all night for him to eat. Just dish it up and he can reheat it in the microwave. You're not responsible for his health and well-being, but living this way is affecting your health and well-being so something needs to change - and only you can do that.

Seesawmummadaw · 02/06/2021 05:55

Why are your lives so entwined?
You sound like a married couple.

SoapboxFox · 02/06/2021 06:01
Hmm
Gingernaut · 02/06/2021 06:16

Do you live with him?

Do you live in rented accommodation where you have to share a kitchen?

Why do you share his schedule?

Live your own life?

Muchmorethan · 02/06/2021 06:23

What a completely bizarre post!

ForwardRanger · 02/06/2021 06:34

Sad but the thing is that you have the problem, not him. If you think about it, he's quite happy living in his dirty and messy apartment - and he is entitled to do so. Your problem is that you don't like it.

You can fix your problem by staying away from his apartment. That may feel challenging for you as it will involve changing what sounds like a long-time habit. But the challenge is yours, not his, and until you tackle it, things will stay the same.

How he reacts is for him to manage. From what you say, he finds it very distressing to have his space or possessions cleaned or moved so you should respect that.

If you are fearful for his health, physical or mental, again there is little you can do other than speak to him respectfully as a good friend. Up to him to ask for professional help.

billy1966 · 02/06/2021 06:34

Why have you set yourself up as a skivvy for this man an his schedule?

What about a life for yourself?

Stop going near his filthy home.

Not your responsibility.

You sound like his carer.

You are so young to be throwing your life away.

imaginethemdragons · 02/06/2021 06:39

You can’t.
So don’t.
Meet outside the home in a cafe or in the horse yard.
Don’t go to the flat.
There is literally nothing you can do.

BillyIsMyBunny · 02/06/2021 06:42

So to get it straight this man is a close friend but not a partner and you live a few doors down from each other but not actually together?

If you don’t live with him I honestly don’t understand why you are cooking at his house; what’s wrong with your own kitchen? Why are you spending so much time in his dirty house when presumably your own house is clean?

You’ve tried approaching this with him to no avail and tried physically helping by pitching in with the cleaning but he hasn’t welcomed this so I don’t know what more you think you can do; if he wants to live in a messy house ultimately that’s up to him but you don’t have to be cooking etc in it. Just invite him over to yours instead of going to his.

InTheDrunkTank · 02/06/2021 06:43

Like PP I think this friendship has become far too codependent. Have you both had set backs in life and are maybe clinging to each other too much for support? I would focus on your own life. When you want to eat your meals, what your goals are etc. Of course be there for your friend but from a healthy distance.

Morgan12 · 02/06/2021 06:47

Eh?

Butchyrestingface · 02/06/2021 06:49

I don’t understand any of this. Sad

Hope OP comes back.

EssentialHummus · 02/06/2021 06:52

What is your life like outside of this man? Do you have a job, hobbies, other friends, a partner?

EatDiamondsForBreakfast · 02/06/2021 06:52

What the fuck have I just read Confused

3Britnee · 02/06/2021 06:53

Wtf.

There was a mother and son like this on how clean is your house. I think they even had horses in the house.

EssexLioness · 02/06/2021 06:55

I don’t understand this post at all - such a weird situation. Stop cooking for him and don’t go round to his house, problem solved

Lemmeout · 02/06/2021 06:55

Thai is muddled. But why are people so unkind in their reply??

ForwardRanger · 02/06/2021 07:00

@Lemmeout

Thai is muddled. But why are people so unkind in their reply??
Thai?
DeathStare · 02/06/2021 07:00

His mother was overworked by her husband And now he's doing the same to you, without even being your husband.

Why are you doing this? Just stop. Stop making his dinner. He's a grown man. He can sort his dinner out, and if he doesn't that's not your problem. If you want to be really generous you could say to him "I eat at x time, if you let me know 24 hours in advance you are welcome to join me". But going over to his house and cooking for him - wtf????

Move the piano to your house - as long as you arent playing it all night, it's not unreasonable and your neighbours will have to suck it up. Stop being a martyr for them too.

And get some counselling because really you need to figure out why you are so willing to be a martyr/doormat for other people.

ContinuousMonotoneBeep · 02/06/2021 07:05

Are you in supported housing?

You don't need to be so involved with him OP. Look after yourself first.

Sometimesfraught82 · 02/06/2021 07:08

This is very peculiar OP

And not just this man. The relationship, the set up and your involvement and behaviour in it.

Very odd indeed

RickJames · 02/06/2021 07:09

This is not a healthy situation and OP, as long as you are there mummying him, he will not suddenly take up the baton of his life.

You can't make yourself "unwell" from eating a bit late otherwise the hospitals would be full of intermittent fasters! But this seems to be an example of your own self neglect, surely you'd just have a banana or an apple when you felt a bit hungry. Please look after yourself first and foremost- read a book or speak to a therapist if you aren't sure what self-care looks like.

Good luck OP Smile

Bananalanacake · 02/06/2021 07:23

Why can't he come to your place for a meal if you want to see him.

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