To ask: if you think it's OK that sex offenders get beaten up in prison, look at this

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-beaten-lags-prison-after-22813580.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Too often we see people on here and elsewhere on social media expressing the hope that those convicted of sex-related offences will get attacked in prison. It's horrible under any circumstances: it's condoning criminal assault and even murder, and effectively it's giving carte blanche to violent men and women to commit serious assaults while we all merrily look the other way. It's bad enough when the person has been correctly convicted, but it's inevitable that innocent people will get caught up in it and get victimised. I hate those posts, they come over as so smug and thoughtless, and I wish MN would stamp down on them more.

@GrolliffetheDragon

They won’t all be loners. That’s more the stereotype I would imagine. Many of them will be successful, they’re everywhere by the sounds of it.

No, and I never said there was one solution that would work for everyone. But social isolation is known to increase the risk of re-offending.

Millions of people have shit childhoods but they go on to do better. Yes some of them are abused as kids and that’s absolutely horrific, but it’s absolutely not a justification for them to go on to do it to someone else.

Prisons are full of people with mental health problems, learning disabilities, who have been in care, who have multiple ACEs.

It's true, not everyone with a shitty start to life ends up in prison/on drugs/with mental health problems/self harming/whatever, but it's known to increase the risk of a range of negative outcomes and pretending it doesn't helps no-one.

MH is in crisis at the minute. Many people are suffering due to their MH. Most people will be affected at some point in their own lives or at least know of someone close to them.

Some people are plain and simply horrid. There’s no explanation, other than they are monsters and don’t care about their victims.

MH is in crisis at the minute.

Very much aware of this, I work in mental health and have mental health problems myself.

Some people are plain and simply horrid. There’s no explanation, other than they are monsters and don’t care about their victims.

And not everything is preventable. But some things are if, as a society, we were willing for the work to be done.

Yes it seems wrong to me on the basis that someone gets a free ticket to harm another when they've already clearly broken the law.

If it was the victim or the victims nearest and dearest however I would be more then happy to turn a blind eye.

Convicted sex offenders should be given a rubber dingy and dropped in the Bermuda Triangle.

Fucking hell, what a lot of arseholes.

The dad-of-two received the now redundant sentence type for a string of offences, including attempted street robbery and burglary.*

Stuff he actually admits. I think many women may be better off with him not on the streets. Aside from any of the other accusations.

@GrolliffetheDragon

MH is in crisis at the minute.

Very much aware of this, I work in mental health and have mental health problems myself.

Some people are plain and simply horrid. There’s no explanation, other than they are monsters and don’t care about their victims.

And not everything is preventable. But some things are if, as a society, we were willing for the work to be done.

But as I'm sure you know, the type of extreme mental trauma/ personality disorders that cause people to mug people in the street (even if we ignore the sexual allegations) are not easily curable. Those with the former should be in long-term mental healthcare, not prison. And those with the latter - the sociopaths and psychpaths. Well. We can send them all off to a remote island in the Pacific to do a hunger games style fight away from normal humans, or they can be in prison. There's no other option if you wish to stop people being abused/ killed by them at random. These conditions are at present, as I'm sure you know, not curable.

MH is in crisis at the minute. Many people are suffering due to their MH. Most people will be affected at some point in their own lives or at least know of someone close to them.

Some people are plain and simply horrid. There’s no explanation, other than they are monsters and don’t care about their victims.

Having a diagnosed mental health condition like anxiety or depression does not equate to robbing people in the street, burglaring their houses or (perhaps) sexually abusing them. Mental health issues and disgusting behaviour are not the same and you do everyone with mental health struggles a disservice by perpetuating that false equivalence because that is where the prejudice comes from.

Not RTFT t but will.

No way did he get an indefinite sentence for Street robbery and burglary.

That aside.

Violence, self harm, drug abuse etc should not be accepted as just s thing in prison. In young offenders institutes things are appalling.

There are charities that work to improve things. OP you could look into them?

I've never said hope they get a kicking etc but I can understand those who do. In the end it's not women on here who are doing this though. It's other men.

I find men can joke a lot about sexual violence in male prisons.

Men have more power etc in general. I feel like. They need to do their bit? They're in the majority in parliament etc. How many men are writing to their MPs, donating to relevant charities etc? My guess is, hardly any.

In the end it's not women on here committing this violence. But the post seems to say this is what you wanted you should feel bad.

Not the men who attacked him, the system that let that happen etc...

If then, as a society, we agree that two wrongs don’t make a right, then why is that completely forgotten when it comes to excuses reasons why offenders go on to commit horrific crimes

It’s soon forgotten then isn’t it!! Millions of people have shit childhoods but they go on to do better. Yes some of them are abused as kids and that’s absolutely horrific, but it’s absolutely not a justification for them to go on to do it to someone else.

But it isn't "completely forgotten", is it, otherwise the people concerned wouldn't be charged at all, let alone imprisoned. All that is required is that their sentence is confined to what is actually imposed by the courts, and that there shouldn't be some sort of tacit assumption that they can also be viciously assaulted with impunity for the assailants.

@NiceGerbil when the IPP was a sentencing option, it was common to have it used for crimes such as Robbery. Its inappropriate use was part of the reason it got abolished.

The link is about someone who was wrongly labelled as a sexual abuser, not about him being beaten up.

@MagentaDragon

MH is in crisis at the minute. Many people are suffering due to their MH. Most people will be affected at some point in their own lives or at least know of someone close to them.

Some people are plain and simply horrid. There’s no explanation, other than they are monsters and don’t care about their victims.

Having a diagnosed mental health condition like anxiety or depression does not equate to robbing people in the street, burglaring their houses or (perhaps) sexually abusing them. Mental health issues and disgusting behaviour are not the same and you do everyone with mental health struggles a disservice by perpetuating that false equivalence because that is where the prejudice comes from.

I think you you’ve got me mixed up with the person I was replying to.

This was their post…. @GrolliffetheDragon

**Prisons are full of people with mental health problems, learning disabilities, who have been in care, who have multiple ACEs.

It's true, not everyone with a shitty start to life ends up in prison/on drugs/with mental health problems/self harming/whatever, but it's known to increase the risk of a range of negative outcomes and pretending it doesn't helps no-one**

I was explaining that lots of people have MH issues but it doesn’t mean they go out and commit crimes. Most don’t at all. Some posters were suggesting MH was part of the reason the commit crimes and I think that’s an excuse often as most of them don’t!!!

OP I think you're taking the wrong angle here.

Violence in prison should not be accepted. It's a disgrace.

I find it bizarre that men joke about it so often.

You're looking for change. I don't think you will achieve that by posting on here. Posts on MN are not driving these issues.

Can I recommend supporting

www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/

Other posters may know of other orgs.

Also, write to your mp. And try and raise awareness across other sites as well especially male dominated ones (I imagine you're probably doing that already).

Does that help?

I was explaining that lots of people have MH issues but it doesn’t mean they go out and commit crimes. Most don’t at all. Some posters were suggesting MH was part of the reason the commit crimes and I think that’s an excuse often as most of them don’t!!!

I think you must have got muddled about who you were posting this to as that is exactly what I have been saying.

@MagentaDragon

I was explaining that lots of people have MH issues but it doesn’t mean they go out and commit crimes. Most don’t at all. Some posters were suggesting MH was part of the reason the commit crimes and I think that’s an excuse often as most of them don’t!!!

I think you must have got muddled about who you were posting this to as that is exactly what I have been saying.

I know that’s what you were saying and I completely agree with it. It just seemed when you highlighted my original post, that you thought my post was a bit insulting, when it was the other poster who kept bring MH in to it.

Perhaps I was mistaken and I read it wrong

@TriteMale because he was sentenced to an IPP (no longer in use), so his sentence is indeterminate for public protection. He won’t be coming out until a parole board is satisfied that he no longer presents an unmanageable risk to the public. Often the only way to do this is via courses etc, which may or may not be running in the establishment he is in. The IPP is very controversial as there are still lots of people in prison who have no release date and no way to secure one.

If you are an adult and you make a decision to inappropriately touch a child under 14 k owing the consequences. These pedophiles know what the risks are and they do it anyway. Robbing a child of their innocence. Shame on people who feel these despicable people should be protected. What about the children? I am sorry but unless you have children you can't comment on this. How can someone with no kids even comprehend what it may feel like to have this happen to their kid. If pedophiles don't want to be in prison and be abused like they abused a child, they should make better decisions. If they cannot control it then they can't be rehabilitated. You lose your rights and ability to make decisions on self will when incarcerated. There way of thinking got them in prison. In terms of wrongly accused, majority are in county jails even on appeals. The rate of innocent people convicted is less than 1 percent.

We send people to prison as punishment not for punishment

actually we send them to rehabiliate them so they are ready to reenter society again.

This thread is over a year old. Start a new one if there's something new to discuss.

There are countries where physical punishments for such crimes are written in law. I believe in any other circumstances people call them "the ones to be boycotted because of their lack of human rights".

Vigilantism nwver leads to anything good. This guys was mistaken for sex offender, another guy killed himself because someone mistaken him for James Bulger's killer.

Frankly, people either get on this "civilised" thing of no physical punishments or people need to stop screeching about other countries not being good enough and admit they are one of the "savages"

Oh man! Didn't see the date!

Isn't the story in the link you've posted different to your question though? The links a story of someone being accused of a crime they didn't commit and being assaulted for it. Different Different actual paedophile being beaten up. Yes of course they are linked, there is always the chance of fellow prisoners believing that a fellow inmate has committed a particularly heinous crime here they haven't and assaulting them. However they really are 2 separate issues.

To answer the question in the heading of your post; I couldn't lose any sleep over an actual paedophile being beaten up in prison.