Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask: if you think it's OK that sex offenders get beaten up in prison, look at this

227 replies

Zzelda · 29/05/2021 11:08

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-beaten-lags-prison-after-22813580.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Too often we see people on here and elsewhere on social media expressing the hope that those convicted of sex-related offences will get attacked in prison. It's horrible under any circumstances: it's condoning criminal assault and even murder, and effectively it's giving carte blanche to violent men and women to commit serious assaults while we all merrily look the other way. It's bad enough when the person has been correctly convicted, but it's inevitable that innocent people will get caught up in it and get victimised. I hate those posts, they come over as so smug and thoughtless, and I wish MN would stamp down on them more.

OP posts:
RoseRedRoseBlue · 30/05/2021 19:59

@TableFlowerss not that I wish to get into a contest about it, but if you want to go down the qualification line, mine substantially supersede yours. I also work in the field. On top of that, I was reflecting and agreeing with the view of another poster, so your notion of me having an “inferiority complex” is ......just wrong.

TableFlowerss · 30/05/2021 20:30

[quote RoseRedRoseBlue]@TableFlowerss not that I wish to get into a contest about it, but if you want to go down the qualification line, mine substantially supersede yours. I also work in the field. On top of that, I was reflecting and agreeing with the view of another poster, so your notion of me having an “inferiority complex” is ......just wrong.[/quote]
You’re not qualified to tell people they are wrong, because they don’t agree with you!!!

I get that people will have different views, but your posts are particularly striking, more so than any other posters, because you seem hell bent on ‘correcting’ anyone that doesn’t sympathise with the perpetrator.

Other people have said they disagree with them getting hurt in prison and left it at that and that’s fair enough, but you’re like a little terrier that won’t give up, to the point you’ve tried to use insults on posters.

I find it all very bizarre tbh. You might be in the majority on here, though that’s debatable, but I’d bet my house on the fact the majority of people in the UK wouldn’t give a shit what happened to the perpetrators behind closed doors. That’s not to say they would actively do something if given the opportunity, but they wouldn’t shed a tear if they got a couple of black eyes....

You appear to find that horrendous? I find that bonkers so I can’t even be arsed to carry on discussing it with you, as we’re clearly worlds apart!!

RoseRedRoseBlue · 30/05/2021 20:40

I never said or implied I was. You are the one that said I had an “inferiority complex” and then said something along the lines of “I’ll have you know I have a degree with a 2:1”, which was priceless and totally irrelevant.

Where have I insulted another poster? I didn’t even make the original comment, I simply agreed with it!

TO12T39FRQ · 30/05/2021 20:47

what a song and dance over nothing!

RoseRedRoseBlue · 30/05/2021 20:48

It’s nothing though, is it? There are really fundamental issues about how we deal with big societal problems.

RoseRedRoseBlue · 30/05/2021 20:58

*not nothing

HalzTangz · 30/05/2021 21:14

@NameyNameyNameChangey

HalzTangz maybe you should read that link first.
I don't need to read the link, I answered the question which is the title of the thread.

If the OP wanted to talk about the link maybe the forum title should've 'is it ok for innocent wrongly imprisoned people to be beaten up in prison'
As that wasn't the title, I have formed my answer based on the actual question ased

TableFlowerss · 30/05/2021 21:37

@RoseRedRoseBlue

I never said or implied I was. You are the one that said I had an “inferiority complex” and then said something along the lines of “I’ll have you know I have a degree with a 2:1”, which was priceless and totally irrelevant.

Where have I insulted another poster? I didn’t even make the original comment, I simply agreed with it!

I never said or implied I was. You are the one that said I had an “inferiority complex” and then said something along the lines of “I’ll have you know I have a degree with a 2:1”, which was priceless and totally irrelevant

Completely relevant when you’re implying posters are stupid!!!

TO12T39FRQ · 30/05/2021 21:42

@RoseRedRoseBlue

It’s nothing though, is it? There are really fundamental issues about how we deal with big societal problems.
prisoners are removed from society....so not a societal issue
RoseRedRoseBlue · 30/05/2021 21:50

That’s funny table, given that you are the one broadcasting that you have a degree and therefore must be all knowing. I have nothing more to say to you.

RoseRedRoseBlue · 30/05/2021 21:51

@TO12T39FRQ do you really not think that prisoners are a societal issue?

TableFlowerss · 30/05/2021 21:54

@RoseRedRoseBlue

That’s funny table, given that you are the one broadcasting that you have a degree and therefore must be all knowing. I have nothing more to say to you.
🤣 good - bye now

(Before you go, you’ve got a cheek to say posters aren’t intelligent, then fail to understand why I explain I had a degree.... how hard is that to grasp!!!

I wasn’t sharing it for a laugh... HmmConfused

FaceyRomford · 30/05/2021 22:01

@MadamBatty

Violent women? Can you point me to any cases?
Read this.

www.quora.com/Are-womens-prisons-less-violent-than-mens

Jizzonmy · 30/05/2021 22:05

They deserve all they get

TO12T39FRQ · 30/05/2021 22:28

[quote RoseRedRoseBlue]@TO12T39FRQ do you really not think that prisoners are a societal issue?[/quote]
they are of no issue to most on this thread

you've been put in your place anyway

RoseRedRoseBlue · 30/05/2021 22:43

Lol really? And what place might that be? I don’t care how superior you might think I am, I am not the one acting as judge and jury and advocating for punishment beatings. Given that you don’t even think that prisoners are societal problem, which in itself is unbelievably naive, I won’t trouble myself too much with your opinion 🙂

ViciousJackdaw · 30/05/2021 22:54

Societal problems are what cause people to be sent to prison in the first place!

Untreated mental illness
Addiction
Coercion
Poor parenting
Systemic poverty
All the -isms

A prisoner who has done their time is then released. Back into society!

That's why understanding why crimes happen and making every effort to rehabilitate the offender is in the public interest. Unless you think it's OK not to try and reduce the amount of victims, of course.

RoseRedRoseBlue · 30/05/2021 23:02

Good luck with trying to put forward a cogent, rational argument Vicious

TableFlowerss · 30/05/2021 23:12

@ViciousJackdaw

Societal problems are what cause people to be sent to prison in the first place!

Untreated mental illness
Addiction
Coercion
Poor parenting
Systemic poverty
All the -isms

A prisoner who has done their time is then released. Back into society!

That's why understanding why crimes happen and making every effort to rehabilitate the offender is in the public interest. Unless you think it's OK not to try and reduce the amount of victims, of course.

We’re not taking about robing the petrol station of a few hundred quid.

We’re taking about peadophiles and the like. There’s a world of difference. One is far far worse than the other.

Not everyone can be rehabilitated that’s the problem.

And there are plenty of people that have been affected by your list above, but still go on to lead non criminal lives.

TableFlowerss · 30/05/2021 23:13

@RoseRedRoseBlue

Lol really? And what place might that be? I don’t care how superior you might think I am, I am not the one acting as judge and jury and advocating for punishment beatings. Given that you don’t even think that prisoners are societal problem, which in itself is unbelievably naive, I won’t trouble myself too much with your opinion 🙂
No one things you’re superior, just to clear that up.
TableFlowerss · 30/05/2021 23:13

thinks

OurChristmasMiracle · 30/05/2021 23:22

I disagree with them being harmed in prison- prison is the punishment and no one should take it upon themselves to punish them further.

I also strongly Disagree with paedophiles being released to live close to schools/parks etc with little to no monitoring. Having to sign the sex offenders register once a year is literally
NO monitoring.

If we want to go down the route of it being a mental Illness would you really allow someone who was mentally unwell and harmed people as a result to live with no monitoring? No of course you wouldn’t so why do sex offenders get to do this?

Honestly I feel the system fails victims of sexual abuse massively. It’s always on the victim to prove it happened to them and then they still get accused of having caused it in the vast majority of cases. “She dressed provocatively, she was walking home alone, she was drunk, she had chatted with the offender earlier in the evening etc”

StoneofDestiny · 31/05/2021 00:37

Sex offenders ruin their victims lives. Forever

We'll murderers end their victims lives. Forever. No coming back from death.
Drug dealers ruin their victims lives. Often Forever.

Unbelievable that some on here think murderers and drug dealers should be encouraged to take the moral high ground and dish out alternative justice in prison.

Nobody on this thread said they sympathised with sex offenders, or approved of their behaviour in any way. Plenty have said vigilante justice dished out by criminals is not the way we want prisons run.

Wherediditgo · 31/05/2021 08:28

@ViciousJackdaw

Societal problems are what cause people to be sent to prison in the first place!

Untreated mental illness
Addiction
Coercion
Poor parenting
Systemic poverty
All the -isms

A prisoner who has done their time is then released. Back into society!

That's why understanding why crimes happen and making every effort to rehabilitate the offender is in the public interest. Unless you think it's OK not to try and reduce the amount of victims, of course.

I completely agree with this.

Most prisoners will be released at some point. Do we want them released as bitter, hateful individuals who have spent their time having the crap kicked out of them and spent time in an environment where they are required to be ‘tough’ or that violence is seen as a badge of honour?

Or do we want to see them rehabilitated to try and minimise as much as possible the chance that they may re-offend?

It’s not about sympathy for the individual prisoner which is what so many are failing to grasp.

Wherediditgo · 31/05/2021 08:31

And TableFlowers you have a weird hang up over RedRose

I mean it is very odd how defensive you are being....

P.s. it was me that said there are unintelligent people on this thread. And guess what... I am only educated to GCSE level so you don’t need to take my opinion seriously anyway Wink

Swipe left for the next trending thread