To ask: if you think it's OK that sex offenders get beaten up in prison, look at this

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-beaten-lags-prison-after-22813580.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Too often we see people on here and elsewhere on social media expressing the hope that those convicted of sex-related offences will get attacked in prison. It's horrible under any circumstances: it's condoning criminal assault and even murder, and effectively it's giving carte blanche to violent men and women to commit serious assaults while we all merrily look the other way. It's bad enough when the person has been correctly convicted, but it's inevitable that innocent people will get caught up in it and get victimised. I hate those posts, they come over as so smug and thoughtless, and I wish MN would stamp down on them more.

There are some pretty unintelligent people on this thread.

Firstly, read the story.

Secondly, nobody is saying you have to be ‘sympathetic’ towards sex offenders in prison being beaten to a pulp. Your sympathy means nothing anyway, and you’re reducing the situation down to a purely emotive one.

This conversation should not be emotive - it should be a rational discussion about how a civilised society should treat its convicted criminals.

Believing that another human has a basic right to safety in prison is not the same as feeling any sympathy towards them, nor does it condone their crime.

With regards to what was alleged on his letter I really hope that someone is held to account to that. That is an extremely dangerous label in prison and it will folllow around.

As for convicted sex offenders being beaten up in prison I'm all for that.

They ruin countless lives and they deserve to have their days turned into a living hell.

Prison isn't enough. Hence why so many reoffend as they aren't fixable which is obvious due to the sickening crimes they commit.

Sentences are a joke. Insult to many victims and their families. The sex offender getting beaten up is good news as far as I'm concerned.

[quote CharlotteRose90]@RoseRedRoseBlue fair enough. But my ex is police and my current partner is and they share the same views. Not everyone has the same views. Either way I share the view with them.[/quote]
And that’s why police officers do not get to convict, pronounce sentence or even sit on juries. They are too close. Too subject to the emotional impact of the crime. Justice is supposed to be delivered dispassionately with no thoughts of revenge and with a sentence proportional to the crime. My best friend is a police officer and his thoughts are that a sex offender needs to genuinely accept hie has done wrong and seek treatment. If he doesn’t, he will re-offend.

He hasn't been convicted of any sex offences.

Do I care about sex offenders getting beaten up?

Not really that much if I'm perfectly honest. I don't think it's ideal or should happen but if it does I'm not gonna cry about it

Do I care about people being sent to jail indefinitely and miscarriages of justice?

Yes

I read the Mirror article and my first thought was "who cares?"

He was locked up for "string of offences, including attempted street robbery and burglary" so he's not an innocent victim here. Part of prison is that it's an unpleasant place to be, and physical attacks and threats are part of that unpleasantness.

If the man had not committed criminal acts, he wouldn't have been in prison. If he hadn't been in prison, he wouldn't have been attacked.

Of all the things I worry about in this world, sex offenders being beaten up in prisons doesn’t even make my top 1000.

Should it happen in an ideal world - no. Will I lose sleep over sexual predators getting beaten up - also no. As for the poster trying to garner sympathy by framing those 'poor' paeodophiles as victims due to abuse as children themselves, look at the facts. Over 80% of of csa victims are female, yet less than 1% of paeodophiles are women. If csa abuse was a factor then we would have far far higher numbers of female predators. But we don't due to the fact that paeodophiles are sexually entitled deviant MEN.

@RoseRedRoseBlue

Table you should care, because the vast majority of these people are coming back out.

They shouldn’t be though, that’s the point!!

Peadophiles and the like shouldn’t ever be let out once they’ve committed something against a child. They should be kept under lock and key forever more.

Even those that haven’t committed anything should be under lock and key as well, if for example there’s evidence of indecent downloads etc... Who knows what they’ll go on to do next. I know that can’t happen because they haven’t crossed the next line but they could quite easily go on to physically harm a child.

Makes my blood boil when people use the excuse that they’ve had a shit upbringing. Many people have had shit upbringings but don’t go on to commit atrocities.

Someone that robs a house is a twat but a peadophile is the lowest of the absolute low.

@TableFlowerss but the fact is, they DO come out, so given that is the status quo, we should be more more mindful of what happens when they are incarcerated.

[quote RoseRedRoseBlue]@TableFlowerss but the fact is, they DO come out, so given that is the status quo, we should be more more mindful of what happens when they are incarcerated.[/quote]
But if they were given proper sentences, long sentences to keep them away from children, then perhaps people wouldn’t feel the need to take action themselves in prison.

Some of sentences are shocking for things to do with crimes against children. These people are a danger to children, but it seems that nothing will be done about it until there has been contact. It’s messed up.

It’s like someone swinging a baseball bat about in a town centre and the public being told ‘We can’t do anything, because they’ve not hit anyone yet’. They may not hit anyone, but they may decide to. No one knows, so surely instead of waiting for the ‘whack’ to happen and someone to be hurt, they should be removed on the understanding that they could be a danger to the public.

He’s Illiterate which means he has already been badly let down in life. Poor bloke.

It sounds like he had a tough childhood but I don't think targeting old people to burgle is worthy of sympathy

www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/burglar-back-jail-after-raid-2730215

Sympathy for sex offenders . . . my heart bleeds. YABU.

The length of the sentence would make no difference to those deciding to take the prison moral high ground and you know that.

I didn't read the article. But with respect to the beating up of sex offenders in prison, YES I'm all for it. Happy to help out if called upon.

Part of prison is that it's an unpleasant place to be, and physical attacks and threats are part of that unpleasantness.

The point of prison is deprivation of liberty. That is the punishment. Yes prison life should be hard but physical attacks from other prisoners should form no part of it.

What personally really annoys me is that ‘normal’ sex offenders and rapists seem to get off more lightly than pedophiles. Like everyone recognises it’s disgusting to abuse kids but somehow the abuse of adults can be excused

@honeyytoast I agree. As a previous poster said, there are some very unintelligent people on this thread.

No one should be being beaten up in prison. It's a failure of safeguarding. Although, you put a lot of dangerous, violent, volatile people in the same place... things will happen.

But... tbh, I'm not going to lose any sleep about unpleasant people getting some rough justice.

Well you come across violence on the outside regularly. People are beaten up, robbed ,raped,murdered on a daily basis out here

If not in a prison they may well experience some of it as well

Except they are in prison....protected from the harsh world the rest of us live in.

What a stupid comment

@RoseRedRoseBlue

The length of the sentence would make no difference to those deciding to take the prison moral high ground and you know that.

I don’t care. I don’t care about the predators or what happens to them inside/outside or wherever..... I’m indifferent.

[quote RoseRedRoseBlue]@honeyytoast I agree. As a previous poster said, there are some very unintelligent people on this thread.[/quote]
😂 sounds like you’ve got an inferiority complex about intelligence?...

You keep trying to suggest anyone that doesn’t agree with you is ‘thick’. Well I’ll have you know that I’ve got a 2:1 honours degree in a subject that includes things that discuss this kind of stuff and whether they can/should be rehabilitated.

You’re entitled to your opinion but there are certain crimes that people can’t stomach. Why some people on this thread are sympathetic is beyond belief. I’m sure the victims family would love this.... not!

@honeyytoast

What personally really annoys me is that ‘normal’ sex offenders and rapists seem to get off more lightly than pedophiles. Like everyone recognises it’s disgusting to abuse kids but somehow the abuse of adults can be excused

That’s subjective really, but when it’s to do with children then there is more heightened emotions I would say in the public. So you’re right there, but in theory emotions shouldn’t come in to it when sentencing so maybe those passing the sentence are particularly emotional regarding offences regarding children

@RoseRedRoseBlue

What a stupid comment

It’s not a stupid comment. The fact they’re in prison is in their own best interests. People would take on the job themselves if they knew who they were and where to find them!!

So the other posters comment is completely relative...