To ask: if you think it's OK that sex offenders get beaten up in prison, look at this

[Zzelda]

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-beaten-lags-prison-after-22813580.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Too often we see people on here and elsewhere on social media expressing the hope that those convicted of sex-related offences will get attacked in prison. It's horrible under any circumstances: it's condoning criminal assault and even murder, and effectively it's giving carte blanche to violent men and women to commit serious assaults while we all merrily look the other way. It's bad enough when the person has been correctly convicted, but it's inevitable that innocent people will get caught up in it and get victimised. I hate those posts, they come over as so smug and thoughtless, and I wish MN would stamp down on them more.

If he was an actual sex offender, he'd have been much safer as he'd have been in a different location within the prison with sex offenders (both remand and convicted).

@RoseRedRoseBlue fair enough. But my ex is police and my current partner is and they share the same views. Not everyone has the same views. Either way I share the view with them.

Guess the only thing we share then is part of our username, as I can’t get on board with the idea of summary justice being dished out by prisoners and people applauding it.

Or these days
Not Of Normal Criminal Element.

[quote Nothingwillcomeofnothing]@TableFlowerss
It’s NONCE
Now outside of normal criminal experience.[/quote]
I did wonder if it was C or S but i didn’t know what the word stood for. Evil springs to mind!

good to see majority on this thread are saying a bit extra on top their sentence isn't so bad.....

You do realise that statistically, a lot of people on here will have family members who have committed these types of offences?

@TillyTopper

No I don't think it's right that any one gets beaten up in prison. The punishment is prison not getting randomly attacked. However, I would support capital punishment for sex offenders.

What

@TableFlowerss
Yes,evil. Or un human.

op...sorry,but I'm glad. you expect them all to be cosy and protected in prison?? nah....you're deluded

Yes, I expect them to be protected, @Everleigh2021. Because the sentence is prison, nothing more, nothing less. And because I don't want to give carte blanche to a load of violent thugs to think it's OK to attack and kill their fellow inmates.

Saying that, I told a friend the other day that I would hand her the hammer if she ever found herself in a room alone with the monster that sexually assaulted her son.

So you'd be happy for your friend to go to prison, @Cherrysoup, and indeed to join her there? How exactly would that help her son?

I think you would change your mindset if it was you those sickos attacked

Who knows, @HalzTangz? But fortunately the justice system isn't and shouldn't be built on any primitive revenge instinct of mine or anyone else's. Do you think you might change your mindset if it was you or someone you love in prison as a result of a wrongful accusation of CSA?

There are some crimes that are just beyond the realm of forgiveness. As above so it’s not surprising other people want to batter them. I’ve got zero sympathy I’m afraid. You commit such a disgusting crime well you deal with the consequences

I'm all for people dealing with the consequences prescribed by law, @TableFlowerss. But if you think that other prisoners want to batter CSA offenders out of a sense of righteous indignation at their crime, you're sadly deluded. They do it primarily out of a sense of power, and because they are deeply unpleasant, violent individuals. Do you really think it's healthy for someone with those tendencies to receive tacit or indeed express encouragement? What if they come out of prison and decide that you should be their next victim?

@Zzelda

op...sorry,but I'm glad. you expect them all to be cosy and protected in prison?? nah....you're deluded

Yes, I expect them to be protected, @Everleigh2021. Because the sentence is prison, nothing more, nothing less. And because I don't want to give carte blanche to a load of violent thugs to think it's OK to attack and kill their fellow inmates.

Saying that, I told a friend the other day that I would hand her the hammer if she ever found herself in a room alone with the monster that sexually assaulted her son.

So you'd be happy for your friend to go to prison, @Cherrysoup, and indeed to join her there? How exactly would that help her son?

I think you would change your mindset if it was you those sickos attacked

Who knows, @HalzTangz? But fortunately the justice system isn't and shouldn't be built on any primitive revenge instinct of mine or anyone else's. Do you think you might change your mindset if it was you or someone you love in prison as a result of a wrongful accusation of CSA?

There are some crimes that are just beyond the realm of forgiveness. As above so it’s not surprising other people want to batter them. I’ve got zero sympathy I’m afraid. You commit such a disgusting crime well you deal with the consequences

I'm all for people dealing with the consequences prescribed by law, @TableFlowerss. But if you think that other prisoners want to batter CSA offenders out of a sense of righteous indignation at their crime, you're sadly deluded. They do it primarily out of a sense of power, and because they are deeply unpleasant, violent individuals. Do you really think it's healthy for someone with those tendencies to receive tacit or indeed express encouragement? What if they come out of prison and decide that you should be their next victim?

As I said earlier, my thoughts and sympathy is always with the victims and never the criminals of the most heinous crimes.

I couldn’t care less what happens to them when they are inside prison!!!

All the signal virtualing in the world won’t stop prisoners beating up paedophiles or killing them.

Just like nothing will stop them getting their hands on kids

Would be a different thread if any of these paedophiles had got their hands on mumsnetters kids, don’t you think?

Table you should care, because the vast majority of these people are coming back out.

I find it pretty disgusting when people are for anyone getting beaten up in prison as being some kind of justice, or even blase. It pisses me off too when it's somehow presented as showing more care for victims. I was abused as a kid by a neighbour for a number of years, I really don't want anyone advocating this stuff on my behalf, thank you ver much.

It's not compatible with a civilised society, and when I say that I mean allowing it makes us worse people, complicit really. It would almost be better to do it openly in the stocks where at least people would have to take responsibility for their own feelings of revenge. (Not that I am advocating that.)

It's also not good for the prisoners that do the beating, morally or psychologically.

The state of prisons is something we should be ashamed of as a society, and the way people talk about prisoners often reminds me that we are really not so far from the 18th century.

Can’t work up a fuck to give about someone that sexually assaults another person.

I find it pretty disgusting when people are for anyone getting beaten up in prison as being some kind of justice, or even blase. It pisses me off too when it's somehow presented as showing more care for victims

Correct. The people advocating sex offenders being beaten up in prison have no more sympathy for the victims than the rest of us. How can they even imagine they do?

It's primitive revenge thinking. Well, not much 'thinking' going into it all - just barbaric thuggery. And no, it's not a view I'd change if I was the victim of a sexual assault, or if my child was. You start adding vigilante justice into our legal system then we are seriously deranged as a society.

But my ex is police and my current partner is and they share the same views. Not everyone has the same views. Either way I share the view with them

Well, people do tend to choose partners that they share the same values as.

However, most law enforcement officers (the clue is in the job title) are appointed to uphold the law, not to encourage vigilantes in or out of prison.

In fact, the idea a police officer, who has sworn to uphold the law, should be cheering on the sidelines supporting drug dealers, murderers, burglars, arsonists etc etc to commit more criminal acts is anathema to most civilised people. Totally screwed up.

Couldn’t give a flying fuck what happens to a convicted sex offender in jail.

And anyone who can rape a child has something so fundamentally wrong with them that no amount of ‘rehabilitation’ can fix.

Sex offenders ruin their victims lives. Forever.
I have zero sympathy for anyone who has destroyed someone’s life through sexual assault, especially a child, being beaten up. They can rot in hell as far as I’m concerned.

Who knew prison had some of the type of people in it who find nought wrong with violence? Shocker.

I will absolutely not lose any sleep over a sex offender being beaten up in prison.
It must be lovely to be so pure of thought but if you actually saw what some of these people do to tiny innocent children you would probably be the first in the queue to beat them.
The guy in the link is unfortunate, there will always be a small percentage that shouldn't be serving the sentence they have received.

I find it hard to feel any actual sympathy for the individual involved but I don't think it's acceptable and we do need to prevent this from happening if we want to call ourselves a civilised society. I also don't think the people who seek out sex offendors to beat up are heroic. I think they tend to be violent individuals who like having an excuse to attack someone.

@Zzelda

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-beaten-lags-prison-after-22813580.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Too often we see people on here and elsewhere on social media expressing the hope that those convicted of sex-related offences will get attacked in prison. It's horrible under any circumstances: it's condoning criminal assault and even murder, and effectively it's giving carte blanche to violent men and women to commit serious assaults while we all merrily look the other way. It's bad enough when the person has been correctly convicted, but it's inevitable that innocent people will get caught up in it and get victimised. I hate those posts, they come over as so smug and thoughtless, and I wish MN would stamp down on them more.

From that article, you'd think this was happening in China or Russia, the guy is a burglar. If he actually was a child sex offender, he'd have been released years ago. He has been locked up for 16 years!

I work in a prison which has a sex offenders wing and I'd like to give an insight on how the prison service works ( at least in the one I work in )
Firstly, the wing is for vulnerable prisoners so not always exclusively for them. It could be that members of rival gangs are in the prison , or that someone owes drug money to another prisoner and has already been beaten up. Or that a famous person is in prison, or even a former police officer who could be known to prisoners serving sentences the police person has worked on.
The above would be in the V.P ( vulnerable person ) wing but perhaps not exactly sharing a cell , so for example the VP unit could have two levels/ floors/ sides etc.
VPs do not take part in normal prison activity . They are segregated from other prisoners, when unlock happens ( that is when prisoners leave their wings to go to their work placement / education/ visitor centre ) the VPs are not out of their wing. Likewise when they are moved for an activity , other prisoners are not around . The two are just never put in a position where they would meet.
Of course you are not forced to go on a VP wing , it is your choice . You could go to a wing and tell people you are in for anything and hope the truth does not come out . It sounds unfortunate that this happened to this man, but equally if someone had something against you they could start a rumour that could take off and it could happen.

@SmokedDuck

I find it pretty disgusting when people are for anyone getting beaten up in prison as being some kind of justice, or even blase. It pisses me off too when it's somehow presented as showing more care for victims. I was abused as a kid by a neighbour for a number of years, I really don't want anyone advocating this stuff on my behalf, thank you ver much.

It's not compatible with a civilised society, and when I say that I mean allowing it makes us worse people, complicit really. It would almost be better to do it openly in the stocks where at least people would have to take responsibility for their own feelings of revenge. (Not that I am advocating that.)

It's also not good for the prisoners that do the beating, morally or psychologically.

The state of prisons is something we should be ashamed of as a society, and the way people talk about prisoners often reminds me that we are really not so far from the 18th century.

Pretty much exactly this.