To ask: if you think it's OK that sex offenders get beaten up in prison, look at this

[Zzelda]

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-beaten-lags-prison-after-22813580.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Too often we see people on here and elsewhere on social media expressing the hope that those convicted of sex-related offences will get attacked in prison. It's horrible under any circumstances: it's condoning criminal assault and even murder, and effectively it's giving carte blanche to violent men and women to commit serious assaults while we all merrily look the other way. It's bad enough when the person has been correctly convicted, but it's inevitable that innocent people will get caught up in it and get victimised. I hate those posts, they come over as so smug and thoughtless, and I wish MN would stamp down on them more.

@Zzelda
I was referring to the prison population as a whole.

Plenty of people are of low intelligence, have anger management issues or traumatic brain injury and they don’t go on to commit sex offences.

^^ Some do, some don't. If you really worked in the industry you'd know that there are many factors, both neurological and environmental that contribute to offending patterns. I've yet to meet or read about anyone with a serious history of crime who didn't come from an abusive, dysfunctional background.

This is hopefully a fairly unique situation. How awful.

@TwoAndAnOnion you are absolutely right

Violence and abuse - whatever the reason - have no place in society; and they have absolutely no place in the justice system of a civilised society. Some of the posts on here are unsurprising, but deeply disturbing - especially people demanding capital punishment for sex offenders bearing in mind that the link they clearly haven't read explicitly states that the person in this case is NOT a sex offender and by their lights could have been executed for a crime that they did not commit.

It’s like a competition here to prove who dislikes ‘nonces and murderers’ more.

Here’s a hint: we all do, you don’t need to bleat about how much you want to see them beaten up.

@RoseRedRoseBlue

I think the link offers a separate discussion point in itself - the IPP.

Yeah the link doesn't equate to the comments about those convicted of sexual crimes being beaten up.

I do not condone violence but I wouldn't lose sleep if someone convicted of violent crime was a victim of violent crime.

But this is about someone who was convicted of crime and given an iPP.
Who had sexual assault wrongly logged on his papers for which he doesn't have a condition for.

And who cannot get released due to systemic failures which obviously mean there are outliers of a system which suffer horrifically because the mainstream bit is broken.

Sadly many people get lost in the system they don’t know how to manage in prison, some have learning difficulties, undiagnosed mh issues, often have been in care, little education. It’s absolutely shameful that this happens have seen this at work too many times

Those that are sex offenders are often very fearful of prison there is a hierarchy and child sex offenders are the lowest. That I can’t get too upset by but I don’t support any violence

Some do, some don't. If you really worked in the industry you'd know that there are many factors, both neurological and environmental that contribute to offending patterns. I've yet to meet or read about anyone with a serious history of crime who didn't come from an abusive, dysfunctional background

I agree. I have worked with sex offenders and very violent offenders their childhoods are absolutely horrendous. I can cry for the child they once were. It is no excuse for what they have done but there are reasons why they have become the person they are and that can’t be ignored as many have been let down over and over again and sadly this often continues

So who would be fit to beat up and potentially kill a sex offender?

A man in prison for killing his wife?

One in prison for killing his best friend?

The one who went to prison for murdering a pensioner during the course of a robbery?

It’s all very simplistic to say that you don’t care if sex offenders are beaten up in prison, but just look at what you’re condoning. Condoning the actions of rapists and murderers whose crimes are equal or even worse than the person they’ve beaten up. But hey they go and beat up the paedo.

let’s not pretend that any of these prisoners are doing what they do out of some kind of moral outrage. They have no morals either. They’re doing it to gain notoriety among their fellow thugs and murderers.

They don’t care if someone abuses their kids, they’re happy to go round raping and murdering, they’re no better.

@lazyarse123

As a survivor of csa no it wouldn't bother me if a sex offender got beaten up. Of course there are mistakes made but that's the system at fault not the victims.

So suppose you we're falsely accused and found yourself on the wrong end of a serious attack? Might that bother you?

@MadamBatty

Violent women? Can you point me to any cases?

You don't think there are any violent women in prison?

Think it is a seriously worrying attitude that volent offenders are OK to violently offend as long as they are vient to people they themselves think deserve it.

As a child I was taught two wrongs don't make a right and any form of vigilantism is a sign of somethng going wrong.

Sadly the Tories have cut police, courts, prisons and probation though - they are letting criminals get away with it because they do not care about victims.

Some trouble spelling VIOLENT there sorry

@Ickythefirebobby

So the parole board sent him a letter incorrectly classing him as a sex offender, the letter was read out by someone to him, because he can’t read and now he’s been tagged as a sex offender.

There’s a big difference between his convicted offences and sex offences. There is highly likely to be more to this than his mother is letting on.

I’ve met many sex offenders through my job. I have no sympathy for them being beaten up or worse. I save my sympathy for their victims, many of whom are children whose lives never recover.

But isn't the point that it is precisely that "no sympathy" culture which made this man vulnerable?

I'd be interested to know where people draw the line on this. Is it all sex offenders who should be vulnerable, from the sad inadequate flasher to the multiple violent apists? Why only sex offenders, why not those guilty of murder, manslaughter, GBH, ABH, armed robbery, etc?

And how does the hierarchy work? Is it OK for a murderer to assault a sex offender, vice versa, or both?

Plus, what @AlternativePerspective said.

You don't have to have sympathy, you just have to realise that a civilised society should not allow vigilante violence for many good and valid reasons

Absolutely agree with this.

I have no sympathy for those who have been justly accused and put in prison. They have chosen that path and to be honest deserve everything that is coming to them. The children they have abused will never have a normal life so why should they!

As a victim of two seperate CSA for most of my Childhood and I don’t think any violence is right yes they have committed the most horrendous acts but does them getting beaten up make the life of the victim any better no!

I reserve my pity for the victims involved in the crimes whether it is murderers or pedophiles, assaults or rape.
Their past doesn't excuse ruining lives.
Sick of excuses for those who destroy innocent life.

Poor man, he didn't do anything. Well nothing to children.
No, it isn't right, but inevitable.
Apart from the innocent of course, it's probably revenge for what the poor kids and parents have endured.

The story in the link is awful. However, I can't say I can bring myself to care what happens to sex offenders and paedos in prison. I just don't and I won't lose sleep over it. Men like Ian Watkins can die and go to fucking hell.

@AlternativePerspective

So who would be fit to beat up and potentially kill a sex offender?

A man in prison for killing his wife?

One in prison for killing his best friend?

The one who went to prison for murdering a pensioner during the course of a robbery?

It’s all very simplistic to say that you don’t care if sex offenders are beaten up in prison, but just look at what you’re condoning. Condoning the actions of rapists and murderers whose crimes are equal or even worse than the person they’ve beaten up. But hey they go and beat up the paedo.

let’s not pretend that any of these prisoners are doing what they do out of some kind of moral outrage. They have no morals either. They’re doing it to gain notoriety among their fellow thugs and murderers.

They don’t care if someone abuses their kids, they’re happy to go round raping and murdering, they’re no better.

Agree

Yes I do think they deserve it and more. The action steals from children a part of them that will never recover. Those children become adults, it lasts an entire life time. I will same my sympathy. Ffs it’s doesn’t make you morally superior to bestow feelings on a person that like that. However that is how it can come across.

Frankly, the majority of offenders have low educational attainment, anger management issues, and higher than general population incidence of historic traumatic brain injury.

Or are they not just the ones that aren't clever enough to avoid being caught?

@AlternativePerspective

So who would be fit to beat up and potentially kill a sex offender?

A man in prison for killing his wife?

One in prison for killing his best friend?

The one who went to prison for murdering a pensioner during the course of a robbery?

It’s all very simplistic to say that you don’t care if sex offenders are beaten up in prison, but just look at what you’re condoning. Condoning the actions of rapists and murderers whose crimes are equal or even worse than the person they’ve beaten up. But hey they go and beat up the paedo.

let’s not pretend that any of these prisoners are doing what they do out of some kind of moral outrage. They have no morals either. They’re doing it to gain notoriety among their fellow thugs and murderers.

They don’t care if someone abuses their kids, they’re happy to go round raping and murdering, they’re no better.

I agree. Are we going to praise rapists and murderers for beating up a child sex offender? I'm sure the victims of their assaults wouldn't be thrilled with that.

Paedophiles destroy lives. First hand experience of this. I'm not going to lose sleep over what happens to paedophiles in prison.