To ask: if you think it's OK that sex offenders get beaten up in prison, look at this

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-beaten-lags-prison-after-22813580.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Too often we see people on here and elsewhere on social media expressing the hope that those convicted of sex-related offences will get attacked in prison. It's horrible under any circumstances: it's condoning criminal assault and even murder, and effectively it's giving carte blanche to violent men and women to commit serious assaults while we all merrily look the other way. It's bad enough when the person has been correctly convicted, but it's inevitable that innocent people will get caught up in it and get victimised. I hate those posts, they come over as so smug and thoughtless, and I wish MN would stamp down on them more.

No I don't think it's right that any one gets beaten up in prison. The punishment is prison not getting randomly attacked. However, I would support capital punishment for sex offenders.

I'm more disgusted that his own mother has said he should kill himself tbh.

I agree with you, op

As a survivor of csa no it wouldn't bother me if a sex offender got beaten up.
Of course there are mistakes made but that's the system at fault not the victims.

No of course it’s not right that anyone gets beaten up in prison. We send people to prison as punishment not for punishment.

Violent women? Can you point me to any cases?

In prison

I see nonces and murderers the same!

I dont really care if they get beaten up in prison, wouldnt lose any sleep over it!

Totally agree OP, but be prepared, as always on these posts, to be labelled a paedophile apologist or sympathiser. People getting assaulted in prison is a dereliction of duty by the state and we all ultimately pay the price for this.

Far too many people didn't look at the link and are making themselves look stupid.

I think the link offers a separate discussion point in itself - the IPP.

Only on Mn do people express such an opinion. Sorry but paedophiles deserve all they get, they've ruined children/s lifes forever and quite often the sentence doesn't match the crime. Evil people deserve the evil they've created.

Wow, that story is about way more than the getting beaten up. That man is living in some sort of kafkaesque nightmare. How is that justice being served?

He’s Illiterate which means he has already been badly let down in life. Poor bloke.

Frankly, the majority of offenders have low educational attainment, anger management issues, and higher than general population incidence of historic traumatic brain injury.

Then look at any forum, or online media comments page and the level of projected violence is phenomenal. This forum is no different, I've only read one thread this morning and so far it's gone from encouraging the OP to be a nuiscience neighbour, to actively breaking the law by letting tyres down and damaging a vehicle, another commentator offered to pimp out her 6'4" stoner ex as a menacing thug.

One would hope to assume the level of education on this forum is higher than the national average, either that or the conclusion is drawn that the population is generally vengeful.

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arrrgh!

So the parole board sent him a letter incorrectly classing him as a sex offender, the letter was read out by someone to him, because he can’t read and now he’s been tagged as a sex offender.

There’s a big difference between his convicted offences and sex offences. There is highly likely to be more to this than his mother is letting on.

I’ve met many sex offenders through my job. I have no sympathy for them being beaten up or worse. I save my sympathy for their victims, many of whom are children whose lives never recover.

so he never committed a sex crime, was not convicted of any sex crime and a letter from the parole board included information relating to a (non existent) sex crime? How on earth could that error happen? That's really worrying. The article doesn't give any information on how that happened eg mix up with offenders, wrong coding used etc etc.

It says Imprisonment for public protection - is that the reason for the error ?

I think it’s a prerequisite of a civilised society that incarcerated people are kept safe from harm. I can’t say it breaks my heart when a sex offender is attacked, but nonetheless when these things occur I consider it a failure of our (generally awful) prison system.

I have never liked how people say this, but I think it’s seen as a form of justice,when sentencing is too light. But it shouldn’t be the job of other prisoners to dish out justice the ones we specifically disapprove of. And presumably those who are dishing out the bearings are the really violent prisoners, who are an absolute danger to anyone, do we really want them to be speaking for us? There are times I have seen the sentencing for people who murder children, usually their own, who end up serving less time that the child themselves was alive and it sickens me, and I feel myself drifting into that thinking. But I would rather these prisoners served longer sentences in safer prisons.

Violence is never acceptable under any circumstance, ever.

You don't have to have sympathy, you just have to realise that a civilised society should not allow vigilante violence for many good and valid reasons.

@User629202

I think it’s a prerequisite of a civilised society that incarcerated people are kept safe from harm. I can’t say it breaks my heart when a sex offender is attacked, but nonetheless when these things occur I consider it a failure of our (generally awful) prison system.

I agree with this. The link on the OP is obviously a fairly specific situation but in general I don’t think “oh my god, poor them!” but I do think people should be safe in prison. I don’t agree with corporal or capital punishment, and certainly don’t agree with it when doled out by other inmates. This is my opinion regardless of the crime committed.

@TwoAndAnOnion

Frankly, the majority of offenders have low educational attainment, anger management issues, and higher than general population incidence of historic traumatic brain injury.

Then look at any forum, or online media comments page and the level of projected violence is phenomenal. This forum is no different, I've only read one thread this morning and so far it's gone from encouraging the OP to be a nuiscience neighbour, to actively breaking the law by letting tyres down and damaging a vehicle, another commentator offered to pimp out her 6'4" stoner ex as a menacing thug.

One would hope to assume the level of education on this forum is higher than the national average, either that or the conclusion is drawn that the population is generally vengeful.

I never dealt with any with the issues you described over a fifteen year span. I found them to be deceitful, devoid of morals, they take no responsibility for their choices, they blame their offending on their victims (she was flirting with me, describing a 13year old victim). They are often in high functioning professional jobs. I think people often have a misconception that they are from marginalised groups but this was not my experience at all. Generally they are moving amongst us.

Plenty of people are of low intelligence, have anger management issues or traumatic brain injury and they don’t go on to commit sex offences.

That’s a terrible story. How inhumane

And no it’s not OK that anyone gets beaten up in prison. The people doing the beating up are hardly likely to be model citizens themselves.