To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

[Bassarid]

Is it just me?

I feel it's a bit like watching a car crash in slow-mo & I'm saying this as someone who has extensive psychiatric problems.

In the UK, Harry had access to treatment to psychiatric/psychological help the rest of us could not imagine.
No visiting his GP, getting a course of anti-depressants, suggestions of various on-line CBT courses & a lengthy wait to see a psychiatrist, psychologist, therapist or inpatient treatment.

As soon as his brother suggested mental health treatment, it would all have been there on tap.
Private mental health treatment is unreal - if you've got the money, you can get anything. Want a therapist travel with you 24/7? Want treatment in your own home? No waiting to find a bed for inpatient treatment!
Click your fingers & you've got it.
And if it took a while to find the right treatment, the right doctor or therapist, well he was in the position to try & try again, regardless of cost.
If he had to travel abroad for Royal duties, he could've taken psychiatric support in the same way as some take a personal trainer!

Likewise with Meghan - she could've easily got the best treatment & I do find it hard to believe that it was ignored.
We're not talking about a young ingenue here who's innocently stumbling through the world.
She's a grown woman, has had adult relationships, working as an actress who would've dealt with audition rejection - she knows how life works.
If she'd felt suicidal surely Harry, already getting help, could've steered her in the right direction. Her antenatal treatment should've picked up on what was going on - that's what they're bloody paid to do.

Harry had to share the grief of his mother's death with the world.
It was incredibly disturbing at the time watching the general public getting all weepy about someone they'd never met. The RF had no choice, they had to go along with it as it quickly became what the media & the 'people' wanted.
A quiet funeral away from the public eye would've been much better for both boys & any rational human being would not have denied them that!

What he's going through now, baring all in public, it's crash & burn, no survivors. What the f**k are his therapist, psychiatrists thinking of - is he going against their advice?
He's self-harming in front of us all.
He should be working on his problems away from the world, with others like him for mutual support. He has means to do this.

Yes I feel they are whinging as they have the resources the vast majority of us don't have. Money doesn't buy you happiness but it can help you find ways to feel better about things.

'I think the RF shot themselves in the foot by stripping titles away from H&M simply because they stepped away from a very toxic situation especially the military one that he actually earned '

You don't 'earn' an honorary military title. You are given it when representing the Monarchy in royal duties. He wasn't doing any royal duties so therefore the honorary role had to be given to someone else.

@Grapewrath

I think it’s highlighted the massively unhealthy relationships within the royal family tbh and it will probably shake things up to create a different dynamic. Harry is just the catalyst and it was bound to come out somewhere as lots of the protocols and traditions aren’t compatible with modern life.

I think that a lot of this has been known about for a while though.

Not sure how it will shake things up though if those who are still within it are happy enough with the way things are.

Diana had her head messed with and one of her sons is currently a total flake.

He strikes me as a very stroppy teenager who has been told No..........

My kids grew out of acting like this around 19/20. Thankfully.

He needs to grow the fuck up and start acting like the parent he wanted to have to break the cycle that he claims has damaged him so much. Because right now, he's perpetuating it.

It's such a shame that Harry cannot see that nothing good came of his mother's public discussions about her marriage and the Royal family, it just fed the media frenzy who cashed in on her pain. He is making the same mistakes.

Posters saying “he’s prioritising his own mental health” ....

Doesn’t that smack of narcissism? Why does one’s own “mental health” have to involve trashing other people, who may have behaved badly, or fallen short, or maybe have done nothing much at all?

I am highly dubious of any therapy which does not focus on moving forward and becoming stronger, but seeks to smash up families and hitherto bumpy but essentially functioning relationships. I guess the more brutal the therapy, the longer the client is on your books = ££££.

Not sure how it will shake things up though if those who are still within it are happy enough with the way things are.

I’m not sure that’s the case really- it could be a case of no one wanting to be the one to blow it open until now although it’s been rumbling like that since Diana.
I think you’re right in terms of them being out of touch for a long time but the gulf is widening
Also Andrew’s conduct is adding another element to it- people are drawing comparisons between the treatment of H&M and Andrew which further highlights the strange priorities of the RF

Irma, it seems to me that Harry's well being has been far down the rf pritoty list since the break down of his parents marriage.
I read yesterday that even Diana had not considered the impact of her publicly admitting to affairs on William! Having to endure this fall out at boarding school, exposed.... To all and sundry.

Diana had not thought about the impact on her son.
I have personally also seen very usually caring parents become careless monsters caught up in a bloody fight with her their ex spouse...

No thought for William and certainly non for Harry.
They have not been sat in family sitting rooms getting support whilst mum is on TV, they have been in institutions.
Posh but an institute non the less.

I think PH is genuinely coming from a good place with this, obviously I can only guess at his motivation but looking at it through his own eyes I think he genuinely thinks he's on a crusade to help improve awareness of mental health. I think he feels that he can be a voice for others and use what he's been through to help others, as a example that know matter how high up you are, how trapped you feel or how privileged you are you can speak out. If he can speak out anyone can kind of thing. I do think he's trying to do good. Because he's rich and privileged it doesn't make his issues any less but it did slight jar when he was on the radio interview with the presenter and was comparing his own childhood to that of the presenter who had a childhood of neglect, drug and alcohol abuse and abuse. He's trying to help and doesn't see it as cashing in and he's trying to use his position for good, like he has a responsibility to do this. I can see this as a separate thing to the other interviews and sense of hypocrisy around him.

I do wonder at how this is going to turn out for him though. He's burnt so many bridges and put all his eggs in one basket with MM, what will happen if things become sour between them? The way he speaks is like she showed him the light in addressing his past and how trapped and did functional his life was before her. They then tried to help others see the light but it didn't go down well. It's going to be interesting to see how it turns out.

OW is a very powerful person. I cannot admire her any more after these interviews.
The interviews should stop being televised, nobody with mental health issues should be making decisions like this whilst in crisis. H should be protected from manipulation and exploitation. Everybody should be protected whilst experiencing poor mental health.
Unfortunately H is damaging mental health awareness with these interviews, its diminishing the good work into raising awareness. The comments re M not committing suicide because she wanted to save H pain was really unforgivable. It lacked insight into mental health issues.

Also Andrew’s conduct is adding another element to it- people are drawing comparisons between the treatment of H&M and Andrew which further highlights the strange priorities of the RF

This is what I don't get.

Even if PH is a vindictive spoilt cry baby why is his behaviour more damaging & embarrassing then Andrews?

Sadly Diana had a lot of issues, many of which stemmed from her childhood which included a period of selective mutism and a father with a violent temper. She was quite an aimless and frankly odd child at school as well. I suspect she has serious attachment issues. In her final years there is considerable evidence she was very unstable, like Harry it was well hidden but by all accounts William, like many eldest children, was much more aware of her fragile mental health. I think he is right that Bashirs deception fuelled this paranoia, she apparently had all the floorboards taken up in the apartment at KP to check for bugs.

I started off feeling irritated by Harry but now it’s pretty disturbing . I agree that bottling things up is bad but there is a middle ground between bottling things up and baring your soul on global TV. I actually feel for Megan I suspect she had no idea of the depths of his problems and may well feel that she was duped by the family as well. The problem is that her way of dealing with life is probably the last thing he needs .

The whole thing is a terrible mess

BUT- in doing this he has kind of lost the purpose of it and is raising awareness but not doing anything to address the massive underfunding of MH in the NHS. He is forgetting that not everyone has easy access to help like him. He would be better off setting up a free service or also campaigning for better services alongside this- if he isn't already.

i think PH is genuinely coming from a good place with this, obviously I can only guess at his motivation but looking at it through his own eyes I think he genuinely thinks he's on a crusade to help improve awareness of mental health

How can you come to this conclusion? He is talking nothing about mental health, nothing about his therapy, his treatments, his recovery, impacts on his actions etc. It’s given a passing nod. He’s talking about his family. And trash talking them all too. How his dad was a shit parent, how the queen was, how they didn’t get supported. It’s nothing about mental health. Labelling it as mental health doesn’t change what it is.

Even if PH is a vindictive spoilt cry baby why is his behaviour more damaging & embarrassing then Andrews?

Because, bluntly, nobody cares about Andrew but Harry was the ‘nation’s favourite Prince’ and what’s more Harry has done nothing wrong, he’s other than have a public breakdown so people can’t understand how he could have changed so much .

Most people just think Andrew is a nasty pompous man with dubious sexual proclivities. They have no interest in him.

He’s now admitted on tv to having drink, drugs and anger issues. If the relationship fails, odds on this will be relied upon.

Bluntness plenty of posts explain Harry's stance and reaons, but posters who don't understand, simply won't understand.

Rather like some in law threads when some posters get it and some never will

@Bluntness100

i think PH is genuinely coming from a good place with this, obviously I can only guess at his motivation but looking at it through his own eyes I think he genuinely thinks he's on a crusade to help improve awareness of mental health

How can you come to this conclusion? He is talking nothing about mental health, nothing about his therapy, his treatments, his recovery, impacts on his actions etc. It’s given a passing nod. He’s talking about his family. And trash talking them all too. How his dad was a shit parent, how the queen was, how they didn’t get supported. It’s nothing about mental health. Labelling it as mental health doesn’t change what it is.

I agree. Harry could have become patron to mental health charities and let the professionals and experienced do the talking. For eg, did an educational cartoon for children on the basics of CBT and roped in animators. In the meantime, focus his energy on his own recovery and being a great Dad. His ego and desire to be a saviour is off the charts.

@Jahebejrjr

He’s now admitted on tv to having drink, drugs and anger issues. If the relationship fails, odds on this will be relied upon.

This will be the next season of H&M, relationship fails with M doing tell all interviews telling 'her truth' about being married to a damaged royal. I suspect Oprah and the tv networks already have this in their sights. Plenty more $$$ to be milked from this.

Most people just think Andrew is a nasty pompous man with dubious sexual proclivities. They have no interest in him.

That still doesn't explain why Harry's "behaviour" is more damaging to the RF?

I think in the long run H&M are going to come out worse than the RF.

Right now they get a lot of positive media attention in the USA but at the expense of their relationship with the RF, and therefore their "connection" to the royal family. By throwing grenades at the royals they're distancing themselves from them and making themselves "less royal" which is successful in the short term but a problem in the longterm because it is their "royalness" that gives them their profile and relevance in the USA. It's a short term strategy that cannot endure. The RF on the other hand will play the long game because they have all the time in the world, centuries in fact.

I also think there's another downside to H&M's strategy, Americans love a bit of scandal and are sympathetic to a victim story but that's all Harry in particular has - his brand is "poor victim prince" basically. It's a negative form of branding and people get fed up of negativity, particularly in the USA.

@ncgy

Most people just think Andrew is a nasty pompous man with dubious sexual proclivities. They have no interest in him.

That still doesn't explain why Harry's "behaviour" is more damaging to the RF?

well prince andrew is not trashing them 20/7 on tv shows is he now ?

What people fail to mention is that Diana was already damaged before her marriage to Charles. Her own childhood was disfuntional with a non maternal mother who was in love with a man who wasn’t her husband and also married to someone else and one day simply packed her bags and left leaving her children behind. A very public custody battle ensued with her grandmother giving testimony against her daughter and her father winning and retaining custody. Her own brother later after she split for Charles refused her help and refused to allow her to move back into Althorpe a large estate so no one could say there wasn’t space and it was her childhood home now in the hands of her brother.

Diana was let down by most people in her life. She didn’t make good choices herself and her mental health was always fagile.
Harry is continuing in the same vein as his mother and I can’t see any good coming from his constant scab picking and his new persona as poor little victim. He cannot keep giving interviews basically say woe is me as the public is pretty much reaching saturation point with it all and then what has he left to sell to netflicks and Apple TV?

WTF is wrong with some posters here.

Meghan was treated like crap by the media & the royal family too! No one defended her when the tabloids came up with false stories about her.

Harry is allowed to speak about his own experience. The fact that he's being so critical in public shows the resentment and the fact that he was probably at breaking point.

Finally, this is exactly what they want. The lot of you saying things like "he's a spoiled brat" or whatever else and no attention being paid to Prince Andrew what so ever. Another thread about H&M while no one seems to be that bothered that there's a sick pedophile in that family being protected from justice?