To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

[Bassarid]

Is it just me?

I feel like growing up, their tawdry mess was always all over the tabloids. It's only since Diana died things were more discreet in terms of news stories. Prince Andrew obviously didn't get the memo!

Who'd have thought them wanting to make their own money would have meant we want to sell nasty stories to the press and live off it for as long as we can.

Vile couple. I feel sorry for the queen. She's not long lost her husband and has to see her grandson telling everyone who will listen how awful they are. I hope she strips him of everything title wise.

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline

Sunny, Harry was "broken" years ago after his mother's death and that wasn't a stand along traumatic event, that was after his own parents excruciating interviews, public break down of their marriage, his dad's very open obvious love for another woman, his mother's pain and trauma, and no one really for him?

The avalanche of hideous press after her death that took a good decade to fade away, was she pregnant, imagine Harry having to ask someone "is it true, was my mummy pregnant"??? The endless inquest, lurid details, accusations... Paul Burrel trial after he filled a large storage area with items he took from her apartment?
That trial was massive! The Queen stepping in to say, oh yes, I remember, this is what I said he could have

He's been broken and seems to have had no support at all.

And who is the royal family, the only one is the Queen really who embodies what royal perhaps means....

Who are the rest of them? Prince Andrew? The Prince Micheal now in something dodgy to do with PUtin?
Prince Edward
William... Kate?

Bryony Gordon interviewed Harry about his mental health on her podcast about four years ago. Harry said that William had been a huge support to him and encouraged him to get help. Harry said on the podcast that his family had been supportive.

Harry’s only ‘selling point’ seems to be his misery porn. Not sure how long people will be interested in hearing this. So what comes next to keep people entertained? He’s not a great advertisement for therapy, been having it for years and still seems angry and unable to move on.

He also didn’t help himself the other day by describing the First Amendment as bonkers.

Harry is proper cake and eat it as well , if you want a private life with no press intrusion then off you trot thats fine , however to start a round of interviews etc is not how it works , particularly slagging off parts of your upbringing in public
A very difficult balance to achieve but running around with Opra and James Corden is not helpful

I had the impression for several years that PH had mental health issues and that he was indulged by the rest of his family because of this. So I think he genuinely expected to get whatever he wanted when they decided to leave and it was a shock when that didn’t happen.

I find it really interesting that most of his anger is directed towards those who hold the purse strings ie Charles and to a lesser extent William. Also that he is becoming more critical now that they have other sources of income.
There’s clearly a lot of revisionist history going on in what he says eg family Meghan never had, now are toxic and the constant changes of tune has meant that I simply don’t believe anything he says. So for me any genuine messages will never reach me.

I would like them to find peace and happiness but I don’t think what they are doing will help them achieve it. More money perhaps but at what price

@StoneofDestiny

The royal family are an over privileged bunch of irrelevant people.

I hate all the automatic reverence of them, the vomit inducing worshipping etc etc. It’s embarrassing

It's cringeworthy stuff from them all. They regularly parrot 'don't complain, never explain', yet they have all used the media to do just that when it suits them. Charles, Diana, Andrew, Anne, Harry and William have all given their view of things on TV. Before them even Philip and The Queen made a TV documentary about the whole family - only withdrawing it (banning it from been shown again) when it backfired on them.

William has just made a ridiculous speech on TV blaming Bashir for the end of his parents marriage and her 'paranoia'. Utter garbage and a rewriting of history. Over and over again we've been told Charles didn't want to marry Diana and the marriage was over before the honeymoon was even over! We've been told Diana developed mental health problems as a result of Charles' neglect of her and his affair with Camilla. Now all of a sudden we are told Bashir led to the deteriorating relationship! It's so clear the interview William gave was an attempt to rehabilitate Charles' reputation before he gets the throne.

It's obvious the royals are manipulating the population and the media!

Really strong points. I agree. It seems all the royals are up for changing the narrative to suit themselves. And bugger the truth

Harry is coming across as very bitter and angry. He clearly wanted out of the Royal family set up to pursue a more free life, and I always said, good luck to him. He obviously felt trapped, and was lucky to be able to prise himself away and start life again with his family in America. No one would deny him the right to a better life, but people are fast losing patience with him as he is now harassing the RF in such a way, that he is introducing his negative view of them into nearly every public appearance. I don’t get what he thinks his constant ranting will achieve? The RF can’t respond publicly - it’s a family issue and should be raised and addressed privately within the family. Sounds like he suffered massively on an emotional level following the death of his mother, and I do feel for him on that level.

What confuses me is that people thoroughly buy into it!

Yes, bizarre.
A 72 year old Charles has no job, just an apprenticeship to take over his mums role. The Queen had an unemployed husband for 73 years whose 'job' was to support her (as was countless staff employed to do that). William has no job and is apparently understudying his dad, who is understudying the Queen. Kate's sole function is to support her husband, who has a barrage of staff to do that, as has she. Meanwhile brothers, sisters, cousins, second cousins etc get to live in abject luxury to drop a wave now and again, parade their wealth and get us to pay for their weddings etc.

The only 'qualification' needed for all this luxurious unemployment paid for by the working public, is 'right of birth'.

It's galling to imagine this has gone in for so long, a whole ever expanding family leeching off the state. Benefits street has nothing on this lot.

I don't think Harry gives a flying fuck how he's coming across tbh. I think he's focussed on working through his own trauma and prioritising his own mental health.

If he wants to use that process to be open about his struggles and try and promote a more open-minded approach towards MH, so be it. Unfortunately he didn't bank on people using that opportunity to criticise or mock him, and for that to reinforce the attitude many people feel that MH battles should in fact be fought in secret.

@AIMummy

I think the RF shot themselves in the foot by stripping titles away from H&M simply because they stepped away from a very toxic situation especially the military one that he actually earned as that limited their earning options. They should have found new roles for them abroad, yes I know it's not following tradition but you have to adapt to new challenges and look at the long game. It was very short sighted. I think they were advised very poorly.

Totally agree with this ⬆️⬆️

I also wonder if H&M ever considered how their DC will feel in the future looking back on all this. Have they considered that their insistence on bearing all to the media as a means to maintain celebrity status will probably cause the cycle of interest to their DC? Harry and William have obviously suffered due to the public nature of their parents marriage breakdown, seeing constant clips of their Diana and Charles interviews bearing all must be deeply upsetting. Has Harry considered how his DC will feel seeing the allegations made by him and MM. Hearing that your DM considered suicide while pregnant with you could be a difficult thing for Archie. How will those kids feel in later years to have been denied a relationship with their extended families?

@Blessex

I think OW must now be a bit worried about her part in all this. It is a train crash. Harry is in a very bad place and I just hope he gets out of it and OW doesn’t have something very nasty on her hands.

Oprah has put years of work getting this scoop. She must be making millions out of these two.

• stone of destiny, don't forget the hard work, Prince Andrew put in for UK Ltd by schmoozing with so called heavy hitters at a pedophile sex offenders house! He was creating important links for "us". (vom)

@dayswithaY

I used to really admire Oprah. Now I feel there's something really creepy and manipulative about her. She knows no one is watching her show for genuine mental health advice from that unqualified windbag, Prince Harry.

They are just waiting for more titbits of gossip about the Royal family to come pouring out of him. He's like a burst dam of indignation and entitlement. Meanwhile, he thinks he's some new age guru while Oprah sits back and counts the money. No one has thought to tell Harry he's being used.

He is also a crushing bore, who could listen to that Poor Me nonsense without some Royal family gossip thrown in to keep you awake?

Well said.

It feels like we’re watching Harry unravel spectacularly.
He’s a Tornado scooping others into his destructive vortex.
How will this all end?

• having said that I do feel Harry is brave for sharing his "truth", that's fine but I also wonder at the sense of this and hope they fade into whatever they want to do and concentrate on their family, immediate family.

For their own children this is a record of "why"... But they need to be careful

Purple I disagree, the royal family is a destructive vortex and Harry was born into the most destructive vortex of them all, his parents marriage, doomed before it started..

Unfortunately I think they are reaping what was sown years before Harry's birth.

"William has just made a ridiculous speech on TV blaming Bashir for the end of his parents marriage and her 'paranoia'."

I didn't take it like that at all.

I took it as making bad things even worse.

The marriage was already over-Charles inteview had seen to that.

Bashir fed into fears/paranoia that she already had but didn't creaate them.

The Queen famously believes that they should never complain and never explain. This was the advice she gave Sophie Wessex years ago when she was exploited by undercover reporters. Seems as if that should have been taken on board by Harry.

The (respected) Queen is in the last years of her reign. M&H are expecting their second child. These revelations could have happened at anytime but M&H have chosen this moment to do so because of $$$. Sadly, the only thing Harry has to offer is his fragility and willingness to tell secrets on vvv famous people. I’m sure there are many people who have some negative stories they can sell on Harry but his lawyers will destroy those people before they get to the press.

I think it’s highlighted the massively unhealthy relationships within the royal family tbh and it will probably shake things up to create a different dynamic.
Harry is just the catalyst and it was bound to come out somewhere as lots of the protocols and traditions aren’t compatible with modern life.

@Zzelda

He's living in an area of the US where psychiatry is a competitive industry, he's not the brightest, and unfortunately he's being exploited. I suspect he'll bitterly regret all this in a few years' time.

I absolutely agree with this.

Housewife, maybe he has a different perspective now and changed his mind? I don't know about William but William always appears clenched to me, about to explode so one hopes he is also getting support.

Williams speech about Bashir strays dangerously into the "mad woman in the attic" territory.