To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

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Is it just me?

'agree OW’s credibility is being damaged by her part in this seeming exploitation of a vulnerable individual'

I hope the media highlight this.

@IamnotSethRogan the thing is - it is they that are being spiteful because they didn’t get their own way.

I think he said that he's wanted out since his 20s-so what stopped him?

Loyalty/duty/lack of opportuntity?

We are all constrained in many ways by upbringing/contacts/education.

It does seem vindictive to rake over the past now that he has got out & has the chance to change things for himself & children.

I assume he feels William has become 'one of them'? Because otherwise what does surprise me is that he doesn't seem to recognise that William also lost his mother, had the same childhood, and had different pressures, i.e. being the heir rather than the spare.

Beyond that I don't feel I know enough to comment although I think regardless of where you sit on whether it's justified, Harry is clearly in a bad way.

The way Oprah spoke to octomum was horrifying. Octomom obviously a very unusual person allowing fertility doctor to implant 12 embryos, but if Oprah invited her on the show I think she should have stopped just short of sneering at her, while also advising her to go to church and get on her knees and pray. LIKE SHE"D HAVE TIME!

She flagellated octomum publicly and I can't help but wonder if it triggered some unanswered question in Oprah (ie, should i have gone down a fertility route to have a child?). There was octomom with her 12 kids and oh boy was Oprah going to shame her in front of millions of americans.

Harry is very angry and needs help we can see this

The mans been in therapy for the best part of a decade. Hes had the best money can buy. He’s angry alright, but seems what prompted that was saying no to them over their plans to be a part time royal and cash in on it hollywood style.

Does he need help, clearly yes, he is causing himself a lot of damage in what he’s doing right now. But what the hell can be done to stop him? His family can’t fly over there and force him into anything. The only thing that would make him stop is giving him back his title, his security detusl and his patronage’s, and letting them earn as much as they can from their royal positions and letting them be big stars on the back of it.

@AIMummy. I agree, I also think he’s receiving the wrong type of counselling. He’s gone from one extreme to another. Bottling it all up to exploding it everywhere.

I don't remember that about octomom, I do remember footage from her house.. Incredibly tough going but I thought Oprah was sympathetic. Why did she tell her to go to church?!

Harry and Meghan: didn’t shut up when they were told to, left a rotten institution which had treated them badly to make their own way.

They didn't. They kept their titles and whinged about Archie not getting his.

Harry and Meghan: didn’t shut up when they were told to, left a rotten institution which had treated them badly to make their own way

No they didn’t. They were chucked out. You can’t rewrite it. It was only a year ago and we all remember.

They wrote a public statement about how they were going to earn their own money and be part time royals, collaborating with the queen. They never ever left it voluntarily. They had their titles, security and patronage’s stripped from them and were chucked out because they would not be permitted to monetise their positions. They didn’t leave voluntarily. They were thrown out.

Jackie weaver, the knub of this problem is I think the very last thing pc would do is get on a plane to try and right the wrongs done to his son

Harry seems to see pc as passive "I've been hurt and gone through this, so will you"?

Poor Harry! Pc only until recently has had both parents with him his entire life, and together not divorced and the stability that brings.

Harry has had the flush of Royal life and the Trueman show oddity that brings but without that solid foundation of family behind him.
I can certainly see where his anger is coming from and I've felt for a long time he owes the rf zilch.
As for his titles it's what he aas born into it, I don't understand how titles can be removed from a blood Prince, can we remove prince Andrews?

Lastly he said "the sound of the hooves still haunt me", re the horses pulling his mother, it's grotesque.

OW is doing nothing wrong. She’s a business woman and media mogul, this is her job.

Americans don’t see an issue with ‘speaking their truth’ very publicly. She’s increased PHs popularity over there. He’s no longer an upright Brit. It doesn’t really work for those about 25 in the U.K. but it will for young people in the U.K. and America.

'Does he need help, clearly yes, he is causing himself a lot of damage in what he’s doing right now.'

He needs to Google acceptance and reconciliation. Lots of people endure crap but going on telly every 5minutes is not very constructive, particularly as we can all see it is resentment that is motivating him not compassion or empathy which are Sussex buzzwords. #BeKind Haz fgs.

I used to really admire Oprah. Now I feel there's something really creepy and manipulative about her. She knows no one is watching her show for genuine mental health advice from that unqualified windbag, Prince Harry.

They are just waiting for more titbits of gossip about the Royal family to come pouring out of him. He's like a burst dam of indignation and entitlement. Meanwhile, he thinks he's some new age guru while Oprah sits back and counts the money. No one has thought to tell Harry he's being used.

He is also a crushing bore, who could listen to that Poor Me nonsense without some Royal family gossip thrown in to keep you awake?

@diddl

I think he said that he's wanted out since his 20s-so what stopped him?

Loyalty/duty/lack of opportuntity?

We are all constrained in many ways by upbringing/contacts/education.

It does seem vindictive to rake over the past now that he has got out & has the chance to change things for himself & children.

Confidence? Possibly MM has shown him it is possible to walk away.

I don’t see it as vindictive. I see it as having a voice to talk about what’s happened in his past. The horses hooves stood out for me. If anyone had posted on mumsnet about their struggles without the name of Prince Harry behind the post, I think mumnset responses would be completely different.

I personally see no issue with Oprah. If it wasn’t her it would be someone else interviewing him. She’s not to blame here. People blaming Oprah are blaming the wrong person. I suspect she’s as shocked as anyone else by the shit they are shovelling ans she’s basically said as much.

'They are just waiting for more titbits of gossip about the Royal family to come pouring out of him. He's like a burst dam of indignation and entitlement. Meanwhile, he thinks he's some new age guru while Oprah sits back and counts the money. No one has thought to tell Harry he's being used'

Yes she's no better than a tabloid journo but dressed up as a mh expert.

If the royal family are so toxic and racist why was Harry's first announcement that he would stay in it for the big stuff, while commercialising it in the US?

@hobbyhearse

I assume he feels William has become 'one of them'? Because otherwise what does surprise me is that he doesn't seem to recognise that William also lost his mother, had the same childhood, and had different pressures, i.e. being the heir rather than the spare.

Beyond that I don't feel I know enough to comment although I think regardless of where you sit on whether it's justified, Harry is clearly in a bad way.

One of what though?

Even for everything that Diana went through she wanted William to be King.

Harry seems (to me) to think that if you're not with him then you're against him-wasn't Diana like that?

Yanbu. They said they wanted out of the limelight but have done nothing but court publicity since they left the RF. I'm no fan of the royals, but all this public slagging off of them by Harry is very sad and cringeworthy. He's coming across as a very self-centred brat.

'If the royal family are so toxic and racist why was Harry's first announcement that he would stay in it for the big stuff, while commercialising it in the US?'

I think he's hoping our memories are as short as his. 'Family she never had' another comment he's forgotten plus all the stuff he's said about the support he's received from his df and db over the years. Now apparently wiped from his sketchy memory.

"Family she never had" was a good one.

And now he's on his best way to lose his.

I think he's being exploited, by all those around him - for fane and financial gain. He was Meghan's meal ticket and she is now indeed one of the most famous women in the world.
Oprah, Gail and their 'brands' etc. have moved in and benefited hugely from exploiting Harry's unhappiness, he is everyone's golden goose at the moment. The sadder, more damaged and angrier he is the more lucrative he is for those around him. A peaceful, happy and quiet life is not going to make any headlines or any money - even though that's what he deserves.

He has moved away from 'the firm' and is now surrounded by unscrupulous vultures. I feel as sorry the him as I did the little lad made to walk behind his mum's coffin. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Dealing with his mental health and confronting pain in his childhood could be done privately with his family, if that's what he needs to do. He is not considering his family members' mental health or emotional well being at all in making this so ugly and so public. I think he will live to regret this deeply one day.

I believe she is a classic narcissist, and their story is playing out like so many married to one. Just very very public. But they are following the same script.

One day he may be on the receiving end of nasty allegations and 'tell all' books and interviews as I believe Meghan and those close to her at the time will turn on him and dispose of him, when the times come for her to change the narrative and tell 'her truth', when she feels she will gain the most from this.

I hope the RF and British public will welcome him back and he could lead a quiet life without royal duties, and not lose access to his children. He is a man who is being very publicly broken, we are watching him being chewed up and now just waiting for him to be spat out.

@IamnotSethRogan

I think they're really popular in America form what I understand and that's where they now live. They've left our spiteful little island.

you obviously arent watching or reading much news then , the comments about him iv seen from americans are far from good , i think they recognise a pity party when they see it . his attack on the first amendment wont have gone down well over there at all , just in case you dont understand he labelled it a bit bonkers , quite what he thinks is bonkers about the right to free speech when he benefits so well out of it is unclear , but then a lot of what he says is unclear