To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

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Is it just me?

I get that Purple I don't disagree with you, there's something dysfunctional going on, but Harry seems very determined in his course of action.

Personally I think falling in love triggered something in him regarding his mother's death and he can't see past his desperation to keep Meghan safe and well.

Some of this shit is definitely his.

If this was a poster on mumsnet saying how they’d met this amazing new partner, their friends and family had been cautious but they are just jealous, because this amazing person has ‘opened their eyes’ to how awful their whole family and friends are, so now you were going to go NC with them ALL, despite having had no real problems getting along with them before. In fact, had been very close to them and had praised them for their supportiveness. And then that you were also now leaving your home country to live in your new partners home country, where the only people you know are your partners friends ...

We would all be ringing those alarm bells so fucking loud and telling that person to run for the fucking hills

The thought had occurred to me

TBF we don't know who Harry's in touch with; he can afford the phone bill and for all I know he could be talking to the family and his old mates every day
But LA's a long way away, and the phone's not the same as being able to see people ... and I don't know if the family would trust him not to go public with details of anything they said

@amusedtodeath1

I do think there might be something manipulative going on but it doesn't necessarily have to come from one side, they're co dependant. It's not healthy but I'm not sure Meghan is entirely responsible.

I agree, I also think there is co-dependency at play here

This too. It’s almost textbook.

It worries me that he’s seemingly has NONE of his former friends now in his inner circle, people who he has known for decades, who has fought alongside in the army, went to school with, grew up with, all now cut off in such a short space of time.

We would all be ringing those alarm bells so fucking loud and telling that person to run for the fucking hills.

Spot on. The fact that personal friends and family were shafted at the wedding for famous and influential names spoke volumes. The current Blind Gossip piece is very insightful as well and if true then the person it alludes to is truly fucked. That could explain many of the irrational actions that have taken place. Those are acts of a trapped, angry and desperate person knowing there is no way back.

@amusedtodeath1

I get that Purple I don't disagree with you, there's something dysfunctional going on, but Harry seems very determined in his course of action.

Personally I think falling in love triggered something in him regarding his mother's death and he can't see past his desperation to keep Meghan safe and well.

Some of this shit is definitely his.

Keep her 'safe and well'? In what way? She's a grown woman, who's always claimed to be a feminist. How is he responsible to keep her 'safe and well'?

Or has she convinced him that's she's a fragile victim and the reincarnation of his mother?

As for seeming 'very determined in his course of action' I disagree. I don't think he ever wanted this but he's now stuck with it. He is desperately trying to convince himself he's happy, when it's clear as day he is not.

@User5485421134

“Clever Girl” indeed.

Or getting her ducks in a row.

We don’t know what goes on behind closed doors, especially on rainy days.

You and I know she can take care of herself, more so than Harry could, but it's trauma or something from losing his Mum. He's reliving past trauma I think and it's making him a bit irrational, IMO. I do think they're co dependant.

What he's doing right now is just fucking awful, regardless.

@CallmeHendricks

"Named by who?" Well, clearly not by some runner at the BBC who was scouring the crowds for slebs. But, bearing in mind how few family members Meghan did have there, I should have thought that any that did attend might have made a bit more of an impact on the media's consciousness. Even if it were to make some pops, their presence would have been noted.

I agree. There was so much said about Doria being the only member of Meghan's family to attend, that I am sure the press were on it. It would have been a prized bit of information if anyone had proof that her uncle or anyone other family member attended.

Oh dearie me. I've read that piece and I really hope they're wrong. But they've been pretty much on the nose all the way through.

@amusedtodeath1

You and I know she can take care of herself, more so than Harry could, but it's trauma or something from losing his Mum. He's reliving past trauma I think and it's making him a bit irrational, IMO. I do think they're co dependant.

I don't disagree, but I think she is deliberately exploiting his trauma over his mother, and has done so right from when they started dating. Remember that 'leave Meghan alone' letter he sent to the press? Even though she was the one who had been dropping hints about their relationship in her social media for weeks?

He's being played and is too dumb to realise it. Now he's on the other side of world, far away from his support system and has nobody but her. I imagine his family are very worried about him.

The difference is, if a woman posted a story similar to Harry's here, she would be asking for opinions or help, she already knows she's being controlled. Now unless Harry admits/realises he's been controlled, we don't actually know that he is. We may suspect that but it might not be the case. It's easy to be armchair psychologist's but the reality is no psychologist would make a diagnosis without speaking to a patient.

If she leaves him, because she’s had enough of his BS, because she has now seen ‘the real Harry’, because she realises he’s needs WAY more psych help then she ever imaged, because she gets bored of him, because he’s a bastard and she wants to get away, because he’s no longer useful and she’s ready to move on...WHATEVER the reason, I think if she leaves him, he will completely and catastrophically fall apart.

He has painted Megan into the role of his late mother, and he will see it like losing his mother all over again.

I don’t know how he will get through it, especially as he’ll be alone on the other side of the world.

I think the RF are worried about this scenario and that’s why they are trying so hard to keep a door open for him, even as he repeatedly slams it shut in their faces again and again.

I wonder how long it will be before Netflix/Spotify start questioning whether they’ll get their money’s worth out of the pair of them?
Certainly their credibility is doubtful in my opinion and Harry’s unedifying behaviour presumably isn’t what they want to see.........or do they?

@amusedtodeath1

The difference is, if a woman posted a story similar to Harry's here, she would be asking for opinions or help, she already knows she's being controlled. Now unless Harry admits/realises he's been controlled, we don't actually know that he is. We may suspect that but it might not be the case. It's easy to be armchair psychologist's but the reality is no psychologist would make a diagnosis without speaking to a patient.

Obviously you are right.

However, when someone has their therapy sessions filmed for a TV series and serves up their inner turmoil for all the world to see, then it's natural that people will speculate.

From the outside looking in, this seems like a classic controlling relationship.

I totally agree Rinoa, he would fall apart. Sad thing is I can see it happening. So many marriages end eventually and this one doesn't seem too stable to me. I hope I'm wrong in some ways

Of course they will Purple, he opened the conversation people will comment. It's his own fault if he doesn't like what he hears.

And I agree it does look coercive.

@YanTanTethera123

I wonder how long it will be before Netflix/Spotify start questioning whether they’ll get their money’s worth out of the pair of them? Certainly their credibility is doubtful in my opinion and Harry’s unedifying behaviour presumably isn’t what they want to see.........or do they?

I don't believe the extravagant sums being thrown around about their Netflix and Spotify deals. These are big businesses run by shrewd operators. They're not going to sign big cheques for two ex-royals with no relevant experience. NF pay for content, and the only content we've heard about is an Invictus documentary which won't air for another year and is unlikely to be a major audience draw.

My guess it's more of a 'first refusal' sort of contract, and that the Harkles will have got little or nothing up front.

@amusedtodeath1

You and I know she can take care of herself, more so than Harry could, but it's trauma or something from losing his Mum. He's reliving past trauma I think and it's making him a bit irrational, IMO. I do think they're co dependant.

To have an armchair psychology moment, I think when you lose a parent at a young age, having a child can throw up a hell of a lot. You gain a new perspective on what their experience might have been but you’ve never had the chance to have the contextualised by having an adult relationship with them. Chuck in the normal ‘oh my shit I’m responsible for this whole other persons survival’ that is pretty universal for new parents and it can be a mentally unbalanced time at the best of circumstances. I don’t think it’s any coincidence they made such a massive move in the months following Archies birth, I think they were both massively unnerved by parenthood and looked for something to explain that outside of themselves.

That Ant and Dec video made me quite sad, it’s clear that Harry had a close relationship with his father, brother and grandfather and I’m not sure any of his grievances are enough to cut all ties so violently. I agree that the RF are trying to leave doors open but I’m unsure if William will be so forgiving. He’s shared the same upbringing and is the only one placed to call Harry out really.

The thought also occurred to me that I think William has benefitted massively from Kate’s family. I think he’s had ‘normal’ modelled for him and ways that Harry is unlikely to experience now, especially as he is surrounded by people who are unlikely to be advising him that he has any responsibility to take ownership of who he is and what he’s experienced. I’m not getting the impression any of his therapy has concentrated on empowerment or acceptance of past events at any point. He’s hurting and lashing out.

Ross Clarke (The Telegraph 18 May):
But there is one comment of Prince Harry’s which made my jaw drop more than any other. Talking about the increasing tendency of celebrities to spew out their inner feelings, he said: “the worse the world gets, the harder it becomes, the more suffering that there is, the more people feel they have something relatable”.

Does the sixth in line to the throne really believe that the world is becoming a place of ever-greater human suffering? True, we might be in the midst of a pandemic which has killed over 3 million people, but we have had somewhat worse to cope with in the past – like the Spanish flu of 1918/19 which killed 50 million, for starters. And that is not to mention world wars, famines and so on.

On just about any measure of human development you care to take – hunger, famine, war – there has been a marked improvement in living standards over the course of Prince Harry’s lifetime. In 1984 – the year he was born – average life expectancy around the world was 62.6 years; now it is 71.7. In 1980, according to the Food and Agriculture Organisation, 26.5 percent of people in developing countries were undernourished; now it is 12.9 percent (of a far greater population). In 1984, 237,000 were killed in conflict around the world. In 2016 – the latest year for which a global figure has been calculated – it was 87,000. And so it goes on.

It is extraordinary that a man who claims he was educated not at school but on his numerous visits to Commonwealth countries still apparently believes that the world is living through an age of ever-greater suffering. Harry claims that in his post-royal life his ‘blinkers’ have come off. On the strength of his latest podcast I would say he isn’t just blinkered; he is blindfolded.

Just about sums him up for me.

What does the piece say or how to find?

But they've been pretty much on the nose all the way through.

Not sure if I'd be taking a website that claims you can't buy avocados in Britain as gospel, personally.

I just wish, really wish, they had waited even ONE more year before getting engaged. It would have given them more time to get to know each other, more time, more time for her and the RF to get to know each other, more tome for her to get used to the UK, more time for her learn what would be involved and to decide if it was the life she really wanted.

There was a reason William made Kate wait ten YEARS, and it wasn’t just because he wanted the option to ‘explore elsewhere’. It was because he saw first hand how totally unprepared his mother was and wanted to try and make sure Kate was very much prepared and eyes wide open before saying ‘yes’.

H&M just got swept along in the love and romance of it all, rushed down the aisle and didn’t allow either of them the time they really needed to lay and ensure the solid foundations a relationship/marriage in the public eye would require.

WTF has happened here.

Narcissism!