To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

[Bassarid]

Is it just me?

I hadn't seen them before, and really wish I hadn't now

Same. That was a record low point - and God knows there are a few to choose from.

@Viviennemary

He is on record saying he didn't receive an invitation.

Surely you know by now Vivienne, you can only believe Thomas when he says something that casts Meghan in a good light. Otherwise, he's a narcissistic, fame-hungry liar.

dont ridicule me Rousette. i know it is one of your ways

I really didn't mean to ridicule you, I'm sorry if you felt that. It was unintentional. I just found saying she took her Prince and wanted everyone to bow to her in the US a bit much.

It isn't one of my ways. Having been trolled in the most vile way, (even yesterday) I am careful and don't want to upset anyone, so I am sorry.

I think the poll is probably a fair reflection. Washing your dirty laundry in public, whatever your view is/was of the couple, is pretty naff behaviour.

@Viviennemary

Because usually the brides parents are the ones doing the inviting for a formal wedding. But in this case it was Charles snd Camilla. I checked. No invitation for Thomas. Why not.

Probably because Meghan told them not to invite him? It’s not like she has a great relationship with him. When was the last time she saw him? She has never introduced him to Harry.

Just a personal comment - my opinion only - I have never seen Meghan speak without feeling that she is putting on a performance. Started at the engagement interview.

“Happy Father’s Day, daddy, I’m still your buckaroo, and to this day your hugs are still the very best in the whole wide world. Thanks for my work ethic, my love of Busby Berkeley films & club sandwiches, for teaching me the importance of handwritten thank you notes, and for giving me that signature Markle nose. I love you xo — Bean.”

How can a relationship between an adult daughter and their father deteriorate so dramatically within 2-3 years - this is what Meghan wrote on Father's Day 2016. I just think that aspect is so sad.

He is on record saying he didn't receive an invitation.

He's on record as saying he was asked to be part of the wedding party and that he was going to be attending the wedding as part of the wedding party. He confirmed he'd been asked to be in the wedding party in the very same interview where he complained about not receiving a paper invite.

It's been clearly explained to you several times that the "didn't receive an invitation" referred only the actual physical piece of paper.

He WAS invited. He is on record as saying he was invited. They simply invited him via phone/email rather than sending a paper invitation.

I'm so so bored of them. They left because they wanted privacy and are now doing tell all interviews??

I don't understand if being an active part of the Royal Family was so hard, why did they want to be part in and part out.

I can’t understand how a hitherto close relationship with your own father can go to pot so quickly. If he had been a lifelong bad father, then it’s fair enough, but M’s message to him in 2016 doesn’t sound hostile.

Obviously in-law relationships are quite different: Meghan may dislike Harry’s family and vice versa and may for good or bad reasons not want to ever speak to them again, but your own father? He didn’t do anything that bad. I guess what he did do is be an embarrassing overweight red-faced man who wouldn’t look too great against George Clooney/Oprah and might slurp his soup in front of the Queen.

I dont need your explanation about formal wedding invitations thanks. Its you who doesnt seem to understand protocol. Invitation by e-mail to a royal wedding. . Its not steak pie and chips at the local pub.

Its not steak pie and chips at the local pub. Indeed

For me, it all seems like a type of engineered self fulfilling prophecy.

Something is very disingenuous.

Or rather 'unauthenitc in the narrative of their truth'

I just remember how utterly sweet PC was on the wedding day. How lovely he was to Doria, how lovely to Megan, the present he gave her, the absolute effort he made.

All very sad.

@ajandjjmum

Just a personal comment - my opinion only - I have never seen Meghan speak without feeling that she is putting on a performance. Started at the engagement interview.

Absolutely

'How can a relationship between an adult daughter and their father deteriorate so dramatically within 2-3 years - this is what Meghan wrote on Father's Day 2016. I just think that aspect is so sad.'

Because she was embarrassed by him. His look didn't quite fit the Disney wedding so yes she had a decent relationship with him until she met H but Markle Senior was clearly dispensable. How he behaved since, much like the Sussexes lashing out, is reprehensible. However it was all very preventable if H had made it a priority to meet him and develop a trusting relationship with him.

They simply invited him via phone/email rather than sending a paper invitation

The most formal expensive wedding imaginable for which invitation cards will be changing hands for £££ in a few years time and they invited the bride’s father by email/text as if it was a quiet drink in the pub? Not buying it.

Hey @ohforarainyday not sure if you saw my earlier posts. Can you give some examples of the constant and recent attempts to discredit, attack and censor anyone critical of the RF?

And also examples of the posters who have spent three years making up the most vile lies about Meghan and spreading horrible rumours about her, who are now acting judgy and sanctimonious about people wanting to discuss widely reported news stories.

And posters who are changing names, as that seems to be a problem (not sure why).

Because as you say, people need to be held accountable for their words and otherwise it might look as if you are just chucking out accusations to try and deflect the thread away from the main argument for some reason.

The only chance they will have soon is with the dodgy billionaires trying to rehabilitate their image (rather like PA)

Yes, this had occurred to me, and as when other RF members have done the same it's unlikely to end well, especially when the media will reveal the details

I hadn't realised the reviews of Harry's latest venture were generally poor, or that the YouGov poll was so bad, but like so much else it all seems a bit of a downward slope
How long it'll take before it starts to resemble an especially dangerous ski run remains to be seen

Cinclus everything Rainy said about posters and trolling and NCing and all of that. It is so so true believe me. I've been at the sharp end of it for a long time.

Rainy is not chucking out accusations at all

[quote GrandDuchessRomanov]@Crackoflightning $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ It's as simple as that.

Pain for profit.

All the vitriol started when PC cut the funding.

I just wonder what they are going to offer up/do when they run out of their current complaints.

The maintenance of that house alone along with the lavish lifestyle they seem to expect doesn't come cheap and neither of them have got anything to offer anyone other than their connection to the RF.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

They are either extremely thick or have massive senses of entitlement. Personally I think it is a toxic mix of both.[/quote]
So, does he want to bend them to his will to get what he wants through his one-sided washing of dirty laundry on the world stage? He must know that people employing such tactics rarely get what they want. I can't quite believe it. There must be another reason for this.

As far as I can see on this thread there are people just genuinely trying to discuss an issue du jour. Constantly claiming there’s this cabal of nefarious posters is tiresome.

@Roussette

Cinclus everything Rainy said about posters and trolling and NCing and all of that. It is so so true believe me. I've been at the sharp end of it for a long time. Rainy is not chucking out accusations at all

Rainy is making accusations, and they seem to be about people on this thread if they're "constant and recent" and concerning people who have been horrible about Meghan for three years are "now acting judgy and sanctimonious". I don't think it's very fair to accuse people of stuff like that without making any attempt to back it up. Plus it just looks a bit desperate.

@Roussette

Cinclus everything Rainy said about posters and trolling and NCing and all of that. It is so so true believe me. I've been at the sharp end of it for a long time. Rainy is not chucking out accusations at all

They're chucking out plenty of accusations at either royals or people who work with the royals, which they expect to be taken at face value, then say 'it's all been widely reported' when anyone asks for links. Plus all the sneering towards anyone who disagrees, calling them deranged, saying 'why do you feel the need to make up lies?'and similar. This alongside the relentless run of claims that posters are name changing all the time to attack Meghan and that they don't have credibility because reasons. All this itself comes across as extraordinary in its insistence that any dislike of Harry or Meghan must spring from an evil conspiracy against them, whereas all criticism of any other parties can't be questioned.

Interesting that the poll tells a different story, and that all this angry posting in Harry and Meghan's defence isn't moving the needle.

'As far as I can see on this thread there are people just genuinely trying to discuss an issue du jour. Constantly claiming there’s this cabal of nefarious posters is tiresome.'

Yes it's all a bit dramatic isn't it. Of course there are goady posters and trolls on mn, just report and get them deleted 🙄.