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To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

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Bassarid · 23/05/2021 06:01

Is it just me?

OP posts:
ohforarainyday · 24/05/2021 10:09

Viviennemary why are you refusing to acknowledge Thomas Markle's own statement that he was asked to be part of the wedding party?

Why do you refuse to admit that your statement that he wasn't invited, is false and a case of you misunderstanding things?

It's such a shame when people can't admit they were wrong and made a mistake.

Cinclus · 24/05/2021 10:14

Cinclus who knows indeed. Although I was surprised and heartened by the support they received after a break from threads. I do tend to think that those who are very anti are prolific in their posting.

I guess it's impossible to tell @Roussette so maybe best look at broader data on the subject of Hardy and Meghan's popularity.

To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?
Serenster · 24/05/2021 10:14

@Roussette

Hahaha you are a one bluebell!

Never heard that nonsense one before... or on second thoughts have 1?!

It is well known, and was reported in many US and UK publications that Meghan kept on her Hollywood agent, lawyer and business manager after her marriage into the Royal Family. She also re-registered the company she used to run The Tig in Delaware (she had to incorporate a new company in Delaware - which has very advantageous corporate tax and reporting rules - to do so, and then merge her Californian company into it, so it is all a matter of public record) shortly after her marriage. It is perfectly reasonable to wonder why someone who had announced she was closing her website and retiring from her acting career to hit the ground running as a senior Royal would do this.

www.tatler.com/article/duchess-of-sussex-hollywood-team

bluebell34567 · 24/05/2021 10:20

@Roussette

Hahaha you are a one bluebell!

Never heard that nonsense one before... or on second thoughts have 1?!

dont ridicule me Rousette. i know it is one of your ways.
IrmaFayLear · 24/05/2021 10:22

@Rousette - please read serenster’s post about Meghan’s arrangements. It is all verifiable that she retained her own people. In fact there were reports that H&M’s “official” staff felt left out in the the cold. There may have been good reasons for this, but you can’t deny that Meghan did not leave her old life behind.

ohforarainyday · 24/05/2021 10:25

Serenster your posts are extremely funny!

Firstly, like it or not, the people you are throwing bricks at are private citizens.
First, Thomas Markle is a celebrity who has actively pursued the limelight and shoved himself into the public eye by giving dozens of TV and print interviews. Jason Knauf is a Royal Family CEO. They are public figures. The argument that Thomas Markle should be immune from criticism because he's a "private citizen" is clearly desperate nonsense.

Second, both of them have been subject to hundreds of media articles and are very frequently discussed online. In fact I see from Twitter that a major London theatre has commissioned a stage play about Harry and Meghan which features Jason Knauf as a leading character, a play being developed by the playwright who wrote the Broadway hit 'King Charles III.' Why are you acting like I'm the only person to have ever mentioned them? Nonsense.

Third, anyone remotely connected to Meghan or to have defended Meghan has been attacked and smeared here plenty of the past three years. In the past, anti-Meghan posters have posted all kinds of intrusive and critical things about Meghan's old school friends (including literally posting the name of the town where Meghan's best friend from college lives, the name of the company she works for, and the name of her old high school - a terrifying level of stalking IMO), her former co-workers, and told horrendous lies about Doria who has remained silent and discreet. Funny how those posters are never attacked for "throwing bricks at private citizens." Nope, it's fine to make up lies about Doria, but not fine to point out that Royal staff members have been exposed in the press as leaking royal conversations to the tabloids. Why the double standard?

You’ve also slandered Meghan and Harry’s former assistant by name - a young woman. Are you asserting she has the press at her beck and call to defend herself?
She's not a "young woman" she's in her 40s! It's not slander if it's true. And it's a matter of public record that she is now employed as a live-in nanny by a Tory billionaire whose sister is a Daily Mail journalist. It's honestly incredible that you're trying to pretend that someone who is on very close terms with Royal Family CEOs, Tory billionaires, and powerful and well-connected tabloid reporters, is weak and helpless against the might that is.... random anonymous posters on a message board. GrinGrinGrin

bluebell34567 · 24/05/2021 10:26

thanks Serenster Smile.

bluebell34567 · 24/05/2021 10:27

i see here the pro's are too much about 'admit this and that' and quite offensive.

bluebell34567 · 24/05/2021 10:28

there was a post in the past saying 'everybody must admit M has a glow' Smile.

Viviennemary · 24/05/2021 10:32

I repeat he didn't receive an invitation to the most formal of weddings. He wasn't formally invited or wanted. The groom didnt even bother to meet him before the wedding. If you think differdntly feel free. Now its no contact with TM at all. And nothing he did or said was anything like as bad as Harry has now done.

bluebell34567 · 24/05/2021 10:32

@Viviennemary

I repeat he didn't receive an invitation to the most formal of weddings. He wasn't formally invited or wanted. The groom didnt even bother to meet him before the wedding. If you think differdntly feel free. Now its no contact with TM at all. And nothing he did or said was anything like as bad as Harry has now done.
completely agree.
IrmaFayLear · 24/05/2021 10:33

Most of us have limited knowledge and post about what we SEE - ie the Oprah podcast, the SussexRoyal announcement by M&H, Harry’s own pronouncements. I haven’t the faintest clue about who said what behind the scenes etc.

But @ohforarainyday - what’s with all the detailed info? Can’t we comment on what has been said by the Sussexes themselves ? Why keep dragging up that someone sock-puppeted in 2019 or whatever - it’s irrelevant to the topic in hand. Stop flailing around to discredit people and their points of view.

derxa · 24/05/2021 10:34

This poll has over 1000 responses and almost 90% are tired of them. That might be skewed due to MN demographics I was astonished by the poll.

ohforarainyday · 24/05/2021 10:36

I repeat he didn't receive an invitation to the most formal of weddings. He wasn't formally invited or wanted.

But Thomas Markle is on the record as saying he was asked to be IN the wedding party and that (as of the time he gave the interview) that he had every intention of attending.

If you think differdntly feel free.
It's not a question of thinking differently. You claimed he was never asked to attend the wedding. Thomas Markle is on public record as saying he was. This is a factually incorrect statement.

Serenster · 24/05/2021 10:37

Do you imagine I will be wounded by your crashing sarcasm, ohforarainyday? Now that is funny.

You are basically demonstrating the main tactics many of the pro-Meghan posters on these threads use: make up facts to suit your narrative; cite tittle tattle and malicious rumours against other individuals while deploring anyone who does this in relation to the Sussexes; ridicule and insult posters you disagree with and obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate.

Myself, I prefer to look at what the various protagonists in this situation have actually, verifiably said and done (not just right now, but over time) and make up my own mind as to what I think of that. As you said above, their awfulness speaks for itself.

derxa · 24/05/2021 10:38

ohforarainyday You are the one posting awful accusations about Meghan that I had never ever read either here or Twitter. I don't get it.

Blossomtoes · 24/05/2021 10:40

@derxa

This poll has over 1000 responses and almost 90% are tired of them. That might be skewed due to MN demographics I was astonished by the poll.
Surprised me too. It’s quite telling.
ohforarainyday · 24/05/2021 10:46

I haven’t the faintest clue about who said what behind the scenes etc.

Then ignore it. Plenty of people find the corruption and Royal Family leaks (fact that there is a paper trail proving that Cambridge staffers took payments from the Sun, etc.) to be very interesting and to be absolutely pertinent to the wider discussion about how Meghan's public image has been created and manipulated.

Considering the hatred of her long pre-dates the Oprah interview, it's pretty obvious how much power the British press have to influence public opinion. Would Meghan have been so hated on Mumsnet ever since before the wedding, if the press had not been so determined to smear her? Asking why the press had an agenda to smear her so badly is absolutely relevant.

Besides there have been entire threads here about Meghan's nail polish. Plenty of stuff that's far more trivial gets posted. If it doesn't interest you, just move on.

Why keep dragging up that someone sock-puppeted in 2019 or whatever - it’s irrelevant to the topic in hand.
The attempts to discredit, attack, and censor anyone critical of the BRF are constant and recent. That's completely relevant.

Stop flailing around to discredit people and their points of view.
Will others stop doing the same to me?

GrandDuchessRomanov · 24/05/2021 10:50

@Crackoflightning $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ It's as simple as that.

Pain for profit.

All the vitriol started when PC cut the funding.

I just wonder what they are going to offer up/do when they run out of their current complaints.

The maintenance of that house alone along with the lavish lifestyle they seem to expect doesn't come cheap and neither of them have got anything to offer anyone other than their connection to the RF.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

They are either extremely thick or have massive senses of entitlement. Personally I think it is a toxic mix of both.

ohforarainyday · 24/05/2021 10:51

You are the one posting awful accusations about Meghan that I had never ever read either here or Twitter. I don't get it.

Please stop twisting things to discredit me. You know full well I am not the poster who originally posted those horrible accusations, I simply referenced things Meghan-bashing Mumsnetters have posted in the past as an example of how vile and abusive Meghan bashers are.

Serenster the fact you have no comeback except to hurl personal abuse and lies just proves you have no valid argument.

Serenster · 24/05/2021 10:55

Can you please identify this alleged personal abuse and lies please, ohforarainyday? I think you’re being a bit hypocritical there.

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CallmeHendricks · 24/05/2021 10:57

"Please stop twisting things to discredit me. You know full well I am not the poster who originally posted those horrible accusations, I simply referenced things Meghan-bashing Mumsnetters have posted in the past as an example of how vile and abusive Meghan bashers are."

It's not that much of a twist. Why on earth did you feel it necessary to literally quote those unpleasant things word-for-word? It just perpetuates them. Was there no way you could think of to get your point across without (almost) direct quotes? I hadn't seen them before, and really wish I hadn't now.

Cinclus · 24/05/2021 10:58

The attempts to discredit, attack, and censor anyone critical of the BRF are constant and recent.

Like when? (And not just someone saying you're wrong about something.)

Viviennemary · 24/05/2021 10:58

He is on record saying he didn't receive an invitation.

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