To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

[Bassarid]

Is it just me?

I’d also say I don’t think the desire to mix with a listers and earn their own money by being famous was Harry’s thing, I think that’s all Meghan. Harry’s never shown any inclination for that ever.

Harry was the one who wanted to stay royal. His reactions now say it was a huge part of who he is, and it’s hugely important to him. And that’s why he’s so hurt he’s lost it all and it’s him lashing out now. And it’s why he tried to do that half in half out thing, why he didn’t just walk away immediately , even when he knew she was suicidal.

He’s furious with his family for not supporting him through this and he blames them for putting him in this position, becayse he has lost so much that was vital to him, basically his whole identity.

He lost his military titles not Royal ones. They were honorary ones and are handed out to members of the Royal family who represent the Queen in respect of various regiments in the UK and the Commonwealth for ceremonial purposes. As he will no longer doing this, the titles were removed. They still retain their royal titles but decided not to use HRH.

He lost his military titles not Royal ones

He’s no longer able to call himself prince. Although the title is there for when he stops, he has to all intents and purposes lost it.

*Neither of those men are in any way voiceless. They both have a level of power and influence that's a million times more than any of us.

But sure, keep pretending that a random anonymouse poster sharing an opinion on Mumsnet has more of a voice than someone who has the power to phone up a tabloid editor and get anything they want on the front page.

You more you make up deranged nonsense and rant and rave about celebs being 'voiceless', the more you throw personal abuse around at anyone who likes Harry and Meghan, you simply destroy your own credibility.

I'm sure I'm not the only person wondering where all these usernames have popped up from, or what their agenda is in attacking anyone who is remotely critical of the royal family.*

A few points in response, offorarainyday.

Firstly, like it or not, the people you are throwing bricks at are private citizens. You are the one throwing around personal abuse at them, no-one else. You’ve also slandered Meghan and Harry’s former assistant by name - a young woman. Are you asserting she has the press at her beck and call to defend herself? And secondly, if your response is really that criticism is justified when you have the power and influence to ensure your voice is heard, why on earth do you get so riled up when people express negative views of the Sussex duo? After all, they are the ones who have Oprah Winfrey and the US media in their corner, a journalist ready to tweet anything and everything they want and a social media brigade to amplify their point of view.

And I’ve been around for ages. Smearing people who take on your acrimony and ridiculous assertions is so unnecessary.

@Bluntness100

He lost his military titles not Royal ones

He’s no longer able to call himself prince. Although the title is there for when he stops, he has to all intents and purposes lost it.

No - he is most definitely still a Prince. His title as the Duke of Sussex is considered to be the higher title though (Royal Dukedoms trump Princes, as in general their are fewer of the former) and so that becomes the title by which he is customarily styled. They have voluntarily agreed to stop using the honorific “His/Her Royal Highness”.

Mr Markle said he didnt get an invitation. If you dont get an invitation to a royal wedding you don't go

He was father of the bride and therefore part of the ceremony. Which bride expecting to be given away by her father sends him an invitation?

@ohforarainyday - I for one have been on MN for 15 years. This is a big news story of human as well as royal interest so no wonder “new” people join in, especially when a thread appears in active convos. It’s a subject on which most people have an opinion, even people who would never usually spare the royals the time of day.

5he fact that the vast majority of posters think M&H are a couple of cheeky so-and-sos and that Harry seems quite unwell into the bargain says something.

@DolphinFC

Megan and Harrry's aim is to build a successful media career in the US. It's going well.

Not sure if this was meant sarcastically? The reviews for The Me You Can't See are miserable, only 2 stars from most places and the most generous review gave it 3 out of 5.

Of course they started out all guns blazing because they are famous enough to sell anything however as soon as the networks realise it's not pulling in the right numbers then the shows will be cancelled. They might coast along a bit with Oprah but that will eventually fizzle out if it starts looking too exploitative (which people are already accusing Oprah of).

The most telling sign their media career is doomed is that they can't have any presence on social media. Which personality, organisation or show does not have an account on social media?! I think this is the part that has them both fuming because there's no way to directly communicate with followers and have any chance of building up a genuine fanbase. People are like Jake or Logan Paul are generally loathed by the public but they have their insanely loyal fanbase so they will continue raking in millions and there's nothing anyone nor the press can do about it.

It's ironic that the only two highly notable public figures without social media accounts are H&M and Donald Trump.

But there are very very many posters who are more pro M&H, or even indifferent, but just don't post. I've seen it when it's gone a bit quiet on here, and then someone starts it all up again... at that point the majority of posts are along the lines of.... for god's sake leave them alone, stop forever criticising them, I wish them well, good luck to them, dont blame them for getting out, and such like...

Understandably, there are countless MNers out there who really don't feel like many on here and really don't want to encounter the vitriol and inevitable bunfight that these threads descend into. Also the personal attacks (not saying there has been on here, but there really has been a lot of that)

So I think it's incorrect to say 'the vast majority of posters think blah blah...'
I've seen quite the opposite at times.

Well done @ohforarainyday with your posts.

It's ironic that the only two highly notable public figures without social media accounts are H&M and Donald Trump

I presume you know why Donald Trump does not have social media accounts. Jan. 6th insurrection attacks on democracy in the US? He is banned. They aren't.

You can’t keep doing “tell all” interviews. It wears very thin. Focusing on mental health would be great but.... people are watching not for help but to gawp at M&H and to be fed more salacious revelations. Also Harry is clearly no expert and not really much of an advert for therapy. Climate/animal programmes? Bit of a crowded market.

Collaborating/being figureheads is all very well but Harry will only be required so long as he brings something to the table - ie publicity. Those organisations he joined will quietly remove him from the letterhead if he fails to attract custom or fades from view.

Meghan, otoh, is smart. I can see her moving on up.

@Bluntness100
He’s no longer able to call himself prince. Although the title is there for when he stops, he has to all intents and purposes lost it.

Because he decided not to use HRH/Prince - he hasn't lost it, just shelved it. If he was ever stripped of Duke of Sussex (most unlikely as it was a wedding gift) he would revert to using Prince and Meghan would be Princess Henry of Wales - this is his birthright.

I think the saddest thing is the distance all of this has created between two brothers, who have always seemed to be genuinely close. I have always felt very sorry for both of them, the pictures of them following their mother's coffin are heart breaking and they should never have been allowed or expected to do that imo. They were just children. I do think what we are seeing is how slick and efficient Royal PR is. Now Harry and Meghan are not being protected by it, this is the fallout. No one is advising them on how this will be perceived by the public, there is no filter any more. I do think both need to step back from the lime light for a bit and let the dust settle. I hope both of them find happiness. In whatever form that takes.

@Roussette

It's ironic that the only two highly notable public figures without social media accounts are H&M and Donald Trump

I presume you know why Donald Trump does not have social media accounts. Jan. 6th insurrection attacks on democracy in the US? He is banned. They aren't.

Yes absolutely. It's ironic that the only other public figure is off social media because he was forced away and not because he doesn't want it. I think to build any type of brand in today's environment, having some kind of SM presence is almost mandatory. Especially if it revolves around personal human issues like MH, environmentalism, children, education etc, all the things that fall under the Archewell concept.

People want and need to hear directly from the source, and not get their information filtered through the press like it was in the 80s-90s. H&M biggest problem now is that their greatest enemies (the press) have also become their only mouthpiece through which the public form their opinions. Leaking bits and pieces of info through Omid Scobie or putting out the occasional "statement" is a ludicrous way of communicating in 2021.

They're off social media because they know the resonance will be too poor. Which, emphatically, has not always been the case because the early days of their Instagram account were fantastic. This poll has over 1000 responses and almost 90% are tired of them. That might be skewed due to MN demographics but it's safe to say that the majority of people are no longer interested in them. Their ardent fanbase is also shrinking due to lack of direct communication, even if it's as banal as sending some heart emojis under a picture on Instagram. Without SM to stay relevant, people just get bored and move on and their former fans will find other personalities or influencers to follow.

But there are very very many posters who are more pro M&H, or even indifferent, but just don't post.

You could equally say that about people who don't like the Sussexes though. Maybe all the pro posters are actively posting and there are thousands of anti posters just watching or ignoring. Who knows?

They seemed such good mates at the 2012 Olympics, having a laugh. Probably Harry would tell us that it was all false, but you could have fooled me.

It’s part of the script of people who bail (marriages, families etc) that history has to be rewritten and everything pertaining to that time was terrible and they were living a lie.

But there are very very many posters who are more pro M&H, or even indifferent, but just don't post

They haven’t voted on this thread. 87% agree with the OP.

Because usually the brides parents are the ones doing the inviting for a formal wedding. But in this case it was Charles snd Camilla. I checked. No invitation for Thomas. Why not.

People want and need to hear directly from the source, and not get their information filtered through the press like it was in the 80s-90s

They do have their own website though on their Foundation.

I am not surprised they suspended Twitter (I don't know about IG I'm not on it) There were posts that were disgusting hate speech.

Cinclus who knows indeed. Although I was surprised and heartened by the support they received after a break from threads. I do tend to think that those who are very anti are prolific in their posting.

I know that Blossom which is why I said what I said above There are a lot of MNers who are sick to death of the neverending cycle of criticism. I haven't voted lol. And threads like this attract detractors like bees round a honey pot !

@IrmaFayLear

They seemed such good mates at the 2012 Olympics, having a laugh. Probably Harry would tell us that it was all false, but you could have fooled me.

It’s part of the script of people who bail (marriages, families etc) that history has to be rewritten and everything pertaining to that time was terrible and they were living a lie.

Yes, it feels like there's quite a bit of re-versioning going on. So Harry on Charles then:

“[Our dad] was there for us — he was the one out of two left, and he tried to do his best and to make sure that we were protected and looked after."

"It’s the things he does behind the scenes that people don’t know about. I don’t think people realize quite how kind he is."

Etc.

her biggest dream was to take H, her prince to HW and everybody would bow to them. she was rushing for it, keeping all connections ready since before marriage.
she didnt have any significance before in HW.

It's fine to make a decision to talk about your experiences of therapy and/or mental health issues. But that is quite different to using a public arena as your therapy space.

How will all this haunt PH and his children in the years to come?

Those who love him should be steering him away from this course of action not enabling it. Ditto those exploiting the situation for there own gain.

It's sad to see and I wonder how it will end.

Hahaha you are a one bluebell!

Never heard that nonsense one before... or on second thoughts have 1?!

Isn't it funny how I post Thomas Markle's own words confirming that he was asked to be part of the wedding party, and everyone just completely ignores it? So typical of royalists: lie, lie, lie, attack anyone who contradicts you, and stonewall and ignore anything you don't like.

he wasnt 'really' invited. he had an operation and she never asked how he was doing. and then talk about ''compassion'' and stuff.
Thomas Markle is on the record as saying he was invited, and there's no proof he ever had an operation (and plenty to suggest he faked it).

The source of which was The Daily Beast

Nope, the original "Kate fell out with a neighbour" article which made William so angry did not appear in the Daily Beast. It was in the Sun. Why do you feel the need to make up lies?

Press coverage of Meghan was positive at first.
Apart from when it was so racist Buckingham Palace had to release an official statement about it. You know, when they first started dating.

He’s no longer able to call himself prince.
Fake.

5he fact that the vast majority of posters think M&H are a couple of cheeky so-and-sos and that Harry seems quite unwell into the bargain says something.
If Harry and Meghan are so awful, why do their Bashers feel the need to constantly sockpuppet and name-change? Why do they feel the need to make up lies, and hurl personal abuse and use censorship tactics to try to silence anyone who doesn't hate them? Surely if Harry and Meghan are as awful as you lot say, their awfulness speaks for itself?