To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

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Is it just me?

@JudgeRindersMinder I agree entirely, I think they are crying out for help from family but the the royals are too stuffy and stiff upper lipped to help. His father needs to get over there and sort him out before it's too late.

[quote lollipoprainbow]@JudgeRindersMinder I agree entirely, I think they are crying out for help from family but the the royals are too stuffy and stiff upper lipped to help. His father needs to get over there and sort him out before it's too late. [/quote]
I think they are probably concerned that anything they do or say will get fed back to the media.

Look at Kensington Palace issuing official press denials and complaints over stories about Kate's hair and beauty treatments, and the extreme rage and legal threats KP issued over the Kate-bashing Tatler article (threats that resulted in only one paragraph being removed....)"

There were many, many changes to the Tatler article - source

Advertising appeared which alluded to Kate receiving 'baby botox' and hair extensions. Kensington Palace denied the claims and the advertising was removed.

Similarly, before her wedding, Meghan's image was used in an advertisement for diet pills. Once again, Kensington Palace denied the claims and the advert was removed.

I think going over there would be the worse thing for Charles to do. Imagine the publicity.

In fairness to the RF, I don't see what they can do at this stage. I'm sure they've tried. I know Charles intervened why H was drinking a lot. But as an adult your parents or anyone else for that matter can't make you do anything.

Besides, I suspect that the only thing that would appease H would be allowing the half in/half out, being paid as royals whilst selling coffee and making political statements solution they wanted in the beginning. That just cannot happen, it's not even a choice.

I can imagine their distress if they read below the line for some of the disgraceful comments in newspapers and social media.

However I cannot believe that Harry and Meghan (chairs of a mental health charity) could not have picked up the phone to any practitioner to relieve her distress. His mother when pregnant threw herself down the stairs as she related to Andrew Morton for his biography. I can understand 30 years ago Diana was not given help but when a supportive husband like Harry can't pick up the phone regardless of protocol something is seriously wrong.

I think we also have to bare in mind that the palace can only request something altered or removed when it's absolutely false. If there's any doubt they wouldn't risk drawing attention to it, in cases of hearsay it's better to ignore.

It's a very big coincidence if it's not related, bluntness. One that I find improbable

Yes I find it improbable too. It literally went like this

We are going to make our own money and still be royals.
No you’re not. You can’t use your title to make money.
You’re all a right bunch of dysfunctional nasty bastards.

I really like the idea of Harry and Meghan and have defended them here before. However, I don't think endless confessional TV interviews are going to help them here. It is completely tone-deaf to subject the public with their repeated complaints while we are feeling very covid-weary after a horrendous 18months. There are wars and tragedies happening around us every day.
If I was advising them on their PR, I'd say to just let it go now- focus on their projects and let their work earn them them the good will they seek. Together I still think they have tremendous star power and a global reach. But this bellyaching is beginning to undermine all that.

I think it will more likely be William that goes over there (eventually) but now is not the right time for him to do that. PH does not see the manipulation and exploitation, he thinks he is doing what’s best for him and his family and he is apparently much happier now than he ever was. Anyone going over there and trying to talk to him now would be sent swiftly away.

The RF are probably trying to keep the door open for him when it/should it all go tits up but at the moment he is intent on keep trying to slam it shut.

Even though Harry has said the whole royal set up is toxic snd William Charles and George are all trapped he still wants to keep his place in the line of succession for him and his family. Why?

@ncgy

It seems nobody really likes Prince Andrew, but he hasn’t been found guilty of any crime.

Nor has Harry, I'm just questioning why Harry's behaviour is seen as more damaging & embarrassing.

That question has already been answered. Andrew has had the sense to lie low and keep his mouth shut. Harry can’t stop throwing mud at his family in the most public way possible. Do you seriously think his behaviour isn’t damaging a 95 year old lady who was widowed less than two months ago?

I'm sure the stories and comments made about them were distressing, but a lot of the problem was in fact Meghan's own family selling her out to the press. It was awful, I felt so bad for MM. But there was absolutely nothing anyone could have done to stop that. It couldn't have been foreseen or prepared for. The palace has no real power to silence anyone unless what they're saying can be proven to be false.

I would imagine that being betrayed by your Dad and half-sister would have a significant impact on your mental health.

Where has this new narrative that Harry has squillions and doesn't need to work come from? Clearly he does need to work.

complaining about not being supported financially in your late thirties by your father
They are not ALLOWED to work and earn money while still royals, do you not understand that? (Except that other royals do earn money and everyone turns a blind eye.) Harry and Meghan were completely trashed in the media for wanting to earn their own money. They literally had no choice: either accept their son who was a target of Neo Nazis having no security, or leave and earn money so they could pay for security themselves.

have to work for a living and don't expect their family to pay their bills
Very few people are banned from earning a living. This entire thing started because Harry and Meghan WANTED to earn their own money and were not allowed.

This is exactly like when they were expected to pay the essential maintenance costs of making Frogmore fit for human habitation (fitting plumbing and removing asbestos). Never mind the fact Harry and Meghan paid for everything that wasn't essential structural work upfront. They were also expected to pay for essential structural work on a property they do not own, barely used, and which the Queen receives government money for and is legally obligated to maintain in a good state.

Why are you not complaining that Will and Kate are financially supported by their family?

@amusedtodeath1

I'm sure the stories and comments made about them were distressing, but a lot of the problem was in fact Meghan's own family selling her out to the press. It was awful, I felt so bad for MM. But there was absolutely nothing anyone could have done to stop that. It couldn't have been foreseen or prepared for. The palace has no real power to silence anyone unless what they're saying can be proven to be false.

I agree, a lot of the issues Meghan faced were started by her own family. And to be fair to her, all she did was try to manage it to either put her in a good light or shut it down. It was always reactive. She has never ever done what Harry has done, she’s never ever proactively unprompted sold stories like this bad mouthing her family.

If we were to compare, she’s was in the exact same position as the royal family is now in this, where she was on the receiving end of family members continually bad mouthing her, and being unable to control it. That’s where the royal family are now, they are on the receiving end of Harry and her selling stories on them and bad mouthing them and they can’t control it.

There is a huge similarity there and I’m surprised they can’t see it.they are Doing to the royal family what meghans family did to her.

The queen though is having to sit their and listen to her own grandson proclaim to rhe world about his view of her and Philips rather shit parenting. Even if it was true, any grandmother would find that really fucking rankles. Particularly so soon after Philips death.

They are not ALLOWED to work and earn money while still royals

Aren’t they? My understanding is that they’re not ALLOWED to exploit their royal titles and patronages for financial gain. All the Queen’s grandchildren are as royal as Harry yet four of them all work and earn money, how does that work?

'We are going to make our own money and still be royals.'
'No you’re not. You can’t use your title to make money.'
'You’re all a right bunch of dysfunctional nasty bastards.'

Yes and so very transparent to most people.

I don't think the palace can correct every little item

Please stop pretending the 'evil black woman made the nice white lady cry' story is some inconsequential little nothing.

A story involving a private conversation being leaked by a palace insider (worrying in itself!), with the intention of painting Meghan as a villain, is not "an inconsequential little thing." If Kate can issue press releases denying that she wears hair extensions, she can certainly deny a palace insider disclosing private conversations with the intention of demonising and smearing a biracial newcomer in the middle of both a major personal trauma and a racist press hate campaign.

Like I said: William and Kate wrote a detailed rebuttal and legal threat to the Tatler article and chose to exclude the dress fitting story from the laundry list of things they found objectionably. William demanded the mere mention of Rose Hanbury be removed, but was perfectly fine with the Meghan story remaining.

I do not believe for a second that Kate cried. I believe Meghan was completely telling the truth: Kate was upset and hormonal, ended up making a fuss about something, made Meghan cry, and later Kate apologised for her behaviour and accepted that she'd behaved badly and they made up.

I think they are probably concerned that anything they do or say will get fed back to the media.
The BRF and especially the Cambridge household (home of infamous past leakers Knauf, Jones and Touabti) are the ones who leak every single thing to the media.

I think we also have to bare in mind that the palace can only request something altered or removed when it's absolutely false
Completely, utterly untrue.

'This entire thing started because Harry and Meghan WANTED to earn their own money and were not allowed.'

They wanted to do what they're doing now Netflix, Oprah etc etc and couldn't do that whilst being senior royals, obviously.

They shouldve taken the original offer of her carrying on acting and having low key public roles but they wanted all the high profile stuff. Then they didn't when they didn't get to call the shots.

I’m sure Princess Beatrice and Eugenia both work(one in an art gallery?)

Aren’t they? My understanding is that they’re not ALLOWED to exploit their royal titles and patronages for financial gain. All the Queen’s grandchildren are as royal as Harry yet four of them all work and earn money, how does that work?

The rule applies only to working royals, not all royals. The other grandchildren are not working royals. Harry and Meghan were not permitted to earn money unless they stepped down as working royals, which is extremely hypocritical considering Meghan was pressured to keep doing acting work, yet they've also been slammed for stepping down as working royals.

However as you've mentioned it, plenty of other royals do actively exploit their royal titles for money, and they don't get in trouble for it and receive little bad press. Sheer double standard.

William tried his hardest to get a Netflix deal too and Netflix turned him down. William recently gave a statement whining and complaining about celebrities snubbing him, and reacted furiously to being snubbed by celebs at the Baftas.