To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

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Is it just me?

@Blossomtoes

They are not ALLOWED to work and earn money while still royals

Aren’t they? My understanding is that they’re not ALLOWED to exploit their royal titles and patronages for financial gain. All the Queen’s grandchildren are as royal as Harry yet four of them all work and earn money, how does that work?

If Harry and Meghan wanted to quietly work in an art gallery or for a finance company and keep it private they’d have likely been allowed to. They didn’t wish to do this. They wanted to make big a lister type money in Hollywood and use their royal titles to enable them to. It’s very different.

None of the royals do what Meghan and Harry wanted to do.

Exactly @Bluntness100, that was the point I tried to make and clearly failed.

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Rainy Day. Whilst the palace can request that any story is removed or altered they can only enforce it if they can find a legal reason why it shouldn't be printed. They're pretty powerless without the cooperation of the media outlets.

Both Beatrice and Eugenie are permitted to work and earn money off the back of their royal titles, while also sometimes representing the Queen at official events and having their weddings paid for.

That's exactly the "half in half out" situation Harry and Meghan were denied.

Not to mention Andrew directly financially exploiting Buckingham Palace through his money-making Pitch Palace venture while still a working royal (explicitly not allowed) and Peter Philips doing TV commercials in a replica of Buckingham Palace with a fake royal crest saying "As a member of the British Royal Family I recommend blah blah brand milk."

If Harry and Meghan wanted to quietly work in an art gallery or for a finance company and keep it private they’d have likely been allowed to.
I don't believe that for a second. Anyway they would have had to stop being working royals first, and the media outrage has made clear the BRF expected them to be working royals and to support William and Kate and do all the boring attending openings of soup kitchens-type jobs that someone in the BRF need to do.

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline

Sunny, Harry was "broken" years ago after his mother's death and that wasn't a stand along traumatic event, that was after his own parents excruciating interviews, public break down of their marriage, his dad's very open obvious love for another woman, his mother's pain and trauma, and no one really for him?

The avalanche of hideous press after her death that took a good decade to fade away, was she pregnant, imagine Harry having to ask someone "is it true, was my mummy pregnant"??? The endless inquest, lurid details, accusations... Paul Burrel trial after he filled a large storage area with items he took from her apartment?
That trial was massive! The Queen stepping in to say, oh yes, I remember, this is what I said he could have

He's been broken and seems to have had no support at all.

And who is the royal family, the only one is the Queen really who embodies what royal perhaps means....

Who are the rest of them? Prince Andrew? The Prince Micheal now in something dodgy to do with PUtin?
Prince Edward
William... Kate?

Not to mention the years of gossiping, speculating, and sniggering over PH’s parentage. He would have grown up knowing that people were suggesting PC was not his father, but the fact that nobody from the RF came out to deny these rumours and support him must have caused a lasting hurt.

Beatrice and Eugene are not paid to work for the RF and they are very discrete in down playing their royal status in their work lives.

Fergie doesn't get any money from the state either and can do as she wishes.

I'm not sure Andrew receives anything either.

His timing is just awful- that Oprah interview when his grandfather was dying, and then continuing to kick them when they’re down by slagging them off to anyone who’ll pay him enough listen, while the family grieves for Philip. That’s why I stopped liking him.

It depends on your point of view and the media's bias where you are. In the UK Harry and Meghan are coming off awfully. In the USA they are very sympathetic. Lots of people are happy for them to be doing their own thing and the Royal Family looks dated and cold hearted.

I hardly think the royal family are going to allow Harry and Megan to come out of it better. Its not exactly difficult to manipulate the public via the media towards a certain viewpoint, or to subtly discredit someone, even if youre not outright trashing them. They are trying to make H&M look like mentally ill liars. I wouldnt have expected anything else tbh, but im always surprised when people cant see through media manipulation and think theyre just working it all out for themselves.
Facebook showed how easy this was with the interference in elections. Even in stuff like big brother, they show you some bits and not others, and then all of a sudden the entire country hates the same person

Whilst the palace can request that any story is removed or altered they can only enforce it if they can find a legal reason why it shouldn't be printed. They're pretty powerless without the cooperation of the media outlets.

I don't think you realise how close the BRF and the tabloid press are - they have mutual "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" agreement and Buckingham Palace regularly organises special private lunches and other special VIP events just for tabloid editors and senior reporters (there's a video on Twitter of Richard Palmer being confronted over the fact he attended one of these events, and reacting with shock and expressing that he believed the event would be kept private).

That is why so many royal staff and courtiers have the private mobile phone numbers of tabloid reporters (and vice versa), and why the palace very regularly leaks and gives info to the press.

It's why the BRF agree to release stories whenever the government requests a distraction.

Not to mention the legal force the BRF have access to, and the fact they can keep the media at heel by threatening to deny access in the future (this is how plenty of celebs and PR agencies operate, not just royals).

The "Unspoken Agreement" totally rules how the British press cover the BFR, and gives the BFR a great deal of power over what is printed about them.

If you represent the monarchy in any way you are categorically not allowed to be political or promote brands of any kind.

I agree that Harry and Meghan are now coming out of this worse than the Royal Family. Patience seems to be wearing thin for them on both sides of the Atlantic there's only so much poor me whinging the public are prepared to listen to, it's beginning to be seen for the crass attention seeking on Harry's part that it actually is.

Candace Owen made a very succinct comment:

Sunday riddle: How many more Hollywood-style interviews will Prince Harry and Meghan Markle give before they finally achieve the privacy they claim to be so desperate for?

There was a time to shut up, Harry, and that time has been and gone.

@amusedtodeath1

Beatrice and Eugene are not paid to work for the RF and they are very discrete in down playing their royal status in their work lives.

Fergie doesn't get any money from the state either and can do as she wishes.

I'm not sure Andrew receives anything either.

Exactly that. Beatrice and Eugenie most certainly don’t monetarise their royal connections or have jobs dependent on them. I’ve never read about them doing public engagements either. There’s an awful lot of made up bollocks on this thread.

'If Harry and Meghan wanted to quietly work in an art gallery or for a finance company and keep it private they’d have likely been allowed to. They didn’t wish to do this. They wanted to make big a lister type money in Hollywood and use their royal titles to enable them to. It’s very different'

It's not rocket science is it despite some posters desperate to make it into one big unfair conspiracy 🙄.

@ohforarainyday

Both Beatrice and Eugenie are permitted to work and earn money off the back of their royal titles, while also sometimes representing the Queen at official events and having their weddings paid for.

That's exactly the "half in half out" situation Harry and Meghan were denied.

Not to mention Andrew directly financially exploiting Buckingham Palace through his money-making Pitch Palace venture while still a working royal (explicitly not allowed) and Peter Philips doing TV commercials in a replica of Buckingham Palace with a fake royal crest saying "As a member of the British Royal Family I recommend blah blah brand milk."

If Harry and Meghan wanted to quietly work in an art gallery or for a finance company and keep it private they’d have likely been allowed to.
I don't believe that for a second. Anyway they would have had to stop being working royals first, and the media outrage has made clear the BRF expected them to be working royals and to support William and Kate and do all the boring attending openings of soup kitchens-type jobs that someone in the BRF need to do.

They live in this country though and get on with their lives quietly.

Harry is becoming like a chat show host.

Tbh I think OW et al are exploiting him now. They are trotting him out like a prize pony. When people are bored of him ( and tbf he has already pissed people of in the US) he will get dropped leaving him with nothing.

I honestly think that the majority of people would have been happy enough to see them step back, live their lives relatively privately and work, similar to the other grandchildren. Of course there might have been a fuss at first but it would quickly settle. There was always a lot of good feeling towards Harry and people would have wanted to see him living happily with a family and some kind of normality.
I was one of the people who thought good for them when they left and thought how much healthier it would be for them to be away from the limelight. They have enough money to move somewhere out of the way(in any country) and live a relatively ordinary life. However that clearly isn’t what Meghan and Harry wanted.

If that's the case Rainy Day then why haven't they stopped the media reporting Harry's constant moaning about them then? If they really control the UK media then why is this shit show being allowed to carry on?

@Grumblesigh

They seem to be exactly where they want, doing what they want, having their dc, making lots of money, free to say what they like. They seem to have come out of itj ust grand.

Or did you imagine they also need your approval?

They don’t seem to be happy or content though.

He didn't receive a penny for Oprah

As with what any of the RF come out with, I'd want to see that proved before commenting. H&M have shown themselves to be no different to the rest in lying when it suits, and seem to rely on this ridiculous "our truth" thing which convinces nobody with an enquiring mind

FWIW I don't think anyone comes out of this smelling of roses, though for once I've a grudging respect for the RF for keeping quiet. The path Harry's chosen may damage him as much as those he's targeting, but it's his choice and he'll have to accept the consequences

@SilverGlitterBaubles

I also wonder if H&M ever considered how their DC will feel in the future looking back on all this. Have they considered that their insistence on bearing all to the media as a means to maintain celebrity status will probably cause the cycle of interest to their DC? Harry and William have obviously suffered due to the public nature of their parents marriage breakdown, seeing constant clips of their Diana and Charles interviews bearing all must be deeply upsetting. Has Harry considered how his DC will feel seeing the allegations made by him and MM. Hearing that your DM considered suicide while pregnant with you could be a difficult thing for Archie. How will those kids feel in later years to have been denied a relationship with their extended families?

Probably not half as traumatising as reading or being told at school/wherever you went that your father isn't your father and your mother was mental/unstable/a bit of a slapper, whilst your father gets to have his nice life with one of his mistresses once the dust has settled a bit - and even when proof of some of the manipulation, lies and contempt for your mother comes out, when it did result in her getting rid of people who could have protected her right up to the point of never being in a car with a pissed up driver driving too fast in the first place - your brother uses it as a way to reinforce the 'she was mental' narrative.

Prince Andrew has taxpayers paying for his security at around £300,000 a year.
When I read this on mumsnet from a credible source with links etc it made me realize just how much they cost. That is just one person too.
No wonder people become angry or there are calls to abolish them.
(Not sure who is paying for Harry and Meghan's security costs etc but I can imagine the bills are even bigger over there. )
We are often told that the taxpayer doesn't have to pay much towards them all, something I've never really believed especially when you factor in wedding costs or extra for any bigger events and so on.

That's exactly the "half in half out" situation Harry and Meghan were denied

It’s absolutely not. Meghan and Harry didn’t wish to go and do a normal job quietly and I’m totally and utterly bemused anyone would think they did.

Harry and Meghan wanted to go Hollywood, to use their titles to propel them into a list stardom and the money that went with it. Harry and Meghan were not saying “I’d love to quietly just work in a little art gallery or for a finance company doing a normal job” . It’s not remotely the same.

The RF would have continued to pay for M&Hs security too if they lived in the UK