To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

[Bassarid]

Is it just me?

'Oprah, Gail and their 'brands' etc. have moved in and benefited hugely from exploiting Harry's unhappiness, he is everyone's golden goose at the moment. The sadder, more damaged and angrier he is the more lucrative he is for those around him. A peaceful, happy and quiet life is not going to make any headlines or any money - even though that's what he deserves.'

Yes and they are worse than the UK press as he seems to trust them and think they're on his side. If they were they'd say no, keep footage of mh treatment private, or no, let's respect the privacy of the rf which is after all what you want for yourself.

@Cacacoisfarraige

It’s verbal diarrhoea at this stage. Harry needs to heal in private and then he can discuss his family objectively, at the moment he’s unable to do so. He’s digging a large hole for himself, contradicting himself with statements from his own mouth. His wife has disappeared after her own bombshell lobbing and I can’t see any positives from this course of action

HIs wife has ‘disappeared’ I wonder why the fuck that is?

I bet they need over £7m a year to keep up their lifestyle. And it's reckoned that the £100m for Netflix is including the production money and its over 5 years. Harry will be receiving bills for things he thought were free.

@ohforarainyday

because he never stops trashing and slagging off his own family He's made a couple of brief comments about wanting to end a cycle of hurt - a cycle plenty of other royals have admitted exists - and apart from the allegation that one family member made a racist comment.

None of his comments have been "trashing and slagging off" and none of them have been anywhere near as bad as what Charles has said about his upbringing, what Charles said about Diana, what Diana said about the family, or what William has said about his mother.

who it should be pointed out have for all appearances been loving and supportive of him
Hardly. Throwing your own child under a bus, planting a tabloid spy in their midst, and leaking nasty stories about them to the press, is hardly "loving and supportive."

hes made more than a few brief comments lol , didnt he moan to oprah that his own family had cut him off finacially ? this from a grown man with millions in the bank who wanted to have his own independence , hes alleged he and megan were prevented from leaving , ignored , hes done well more than a few little comments ,and how have they thrown him under a bus ? what leaking stories ? what tabloid spy ? i reckon you have your own version of events

They spend too much time reading the daily mail and watching breakfast TV

It's depressing

@StoneofDestiny

The royal family are an over privileged bunch of irrelevant people.

I hate all the automatic reverence of them, the vomit inducing worshipping etc etc. It’s embarrassing

It's cringeworthy stuff from them all. They regularly parrot 'don't complain, never explain', yet they have all used the media to do just that when it suits them. Charles, Diana, Andrew, Anne, Harry and William have all given their view of things on TV. Before them even Philip and The Queen made a TV documentary about the whole family - only withdrawing it (banning it from been shown again) when it backfired on them.

William has just made a ridiculous speech on TV blaming Bashir for the end of his parents marriage and her 'paranoia'. Utter garbage and a rewriting of history. Over and over again we've been told Charles didn't want to marry Diana and the marriage was over before the honeymoon was even over! We've been told Diana developed mental health problems as a result of Charles' neglect of her and his affair with Camilla. Now all of a sudden we are told Bashir led to the deteriorating relationship! It's so clear the interview William gave was an attempt to rehabilitate Charles' reputation before he gets the throne.

It's obvious the royals are manipulating the population and the media!

I didn’t take Williams speech like that.

However, the interview did point blank signify the end of the marriage as HMQ told PC to divorce her once it had aired. Diana left KP and was then no longer was under the protection of the RF. Her brother has gone on camera to attest this. So not just my or the palace say so. And this is the point when the vultures - ie the press really laid into her. I was a young woman at the time but rewatching how intrusive the paparazzi were in the final years is chilling.

They may have soldiered on, albeit unlikely, had it not been for this interview. This had always been the way in upper class society. HMQ had tried to get them to stick it out before the MB interview was aired and told PC to fix things.

Your comment about MB is actually rewriting history.

Harry is not behaving like someone who is healing or happy. He's behaving like someone who has completely lost all sense of proportion and judgement. He is hurting his family and alienating them to the point that there is no way back. One day he will regret it. If he was truly happy he would be making a life for himself in the US quietly, without drama and all the constant whinging about how hard things have been/are for him. Compared to most people in the world he is a very very fortunate man with much to be grateful for. He is healthy, has a wife and child he adores, and another on the way. He lives in a huge mansion with staff and protection and doesn't really have to work at all. He has millions in the bank. What on earth does he think he has to moan about? Most people have difficulties in their families and trauma that has happened. They don't have all the privileges he has. He is completely out of touch with reality.

@mermaidsariel you have hit the nail on the head.

[quote RazzleDazz1e]@mermaidsariel you have hit the nail on the head.[/quote]
So mental health issues, trauma, childhood bereavement etc are only allowed to impact poor people?

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline
I don't think the palace can correct every little item, and maybe Meghan DID make Kate cry (see other reports on the internet, from people who say they were there). Kate had just had a baby, and likely to cry at anything. Maybe there were no palace officials there?
Harry's latest rant is about HIS upbrining, by Charles and then Charles by the Queen and P. Philip.
However, it should be noted that in some respects Charles DID try to change the mould.
It has been commented on how the Queen did some tour when Charles was young (obviously this would have been requested by the Gov of the day). Yet when Charles and Diana went to Australia, they took William (then a baby) with them. Secondly, one of the few things Charles and Diana agreed on, was to send their children to Eton, rather than Gordonstoun, where Charles went. So in some very public ways, they were doing things differently.

@mermaidsariel

Harry is not behaving like someone who is healing or happy. He's behaving like someone who has completely lost all sense of proportion and judgement. He is hurting his family and alienating them to the point that there is no way back. One day he will regret it. If he was truly happy he would be making a life for himself in the US quietly, without drama and all the constant whinging about how hard things have been/are for him. Compared to most people in the world he is a very very fortunate man with much to be grateful for. He is healthy, has a wife and child he adores, and another on the way. He lives in a huge mansion with staff and protection and doesn't really have to work at all. He has millions in the bank. What on earth does he think he has to moan about? Most people have difficulties in their families and trauma that has happened. They don't have all the privileges he has. He is completely out of touch with reality.

I agree with this. Mental health doesn't discriminate so Harry or any other wealthy person is not eliminated from it.

However, now where in any of his pod casts or tv appearances have I heard him or Meghan express any gratitude for anything. Nothing. They don't seem to ever acknowledge any aspect of the privileges they've had access to. This is what makes them appear spoilt and entitled.

@Viviennemary

I bet they need over £7m a year to keep up their lifestyle. And it's reckoned that the £100m for Netflix is including the production money and its over 5 years. Harry will be receiving bills for things he thought were free.

Meghan's book sold out within hours. She can always write more.

If he hates the media so much, why does he engage with it? He would be so much more credible if he just lived somewhere

Does he think Oprah is doing is for his benefit? He is being exploited and manipulated and he doesn't seem to be seeing it. It's very sad situation all round.

@Theforest

If he hates the media so much, why does he engage with it? He would be so much more credible if he just lived somewhere

Does he think Oprah is doing is for his benefit? He is being exploited and manipulated and he doesn't seem to be seeing it. It's very sad situation all round.

Exactly and eventually his mental health and royal family complaints are going to get boring. When they do, Oprah will be the first to drop him.

@Theforest

If he hates the media so much, why does he engage with it? He would be so much more credible if he just lived somewhere

Does he think Oprah is doing is for his benefit? He is being exploited and manipulated and he doesn't seem to be seeing it. It's very sad situation all round.

I meant to say lol ... Lived elsewhere and just got on with his life away from media glare. Meghan could go back to acting if needed money.

Yeah, he's clearly pissed off, but he seemed quite happy until he was told he categorically could not make money using the term Royal or HRH.

It's not something that the monarchy can choose, it's part of the deal, they must remain absolutely neutral (if they are paid royals). You cannot be neutral whilst promoting companies, your ties make you bias. You cannot remain neutral whilst supporting politicians. The fact that this rule curtails a working Royals ability to support themselves is why the government pays them.

Non working royals can do whatever they want they have no "contract" with the govt to stay neutral.

Meghan and Harry were very quick to thank Canada for their hospitality when they first moved away , but the UK hardly received a mention during the first Oprah interview. She referred to their wedding ' as a spectacle for the world' but not a murmur from either of them about how some of the Brits embraced it or the extra money spent on it all! They were both liked a lot back then even by people who are not even 'royalists' as such.
Harry isn't over anything still. It's sad but I doubt that he'll ever be totally happy to be honest. Plus he will have to work very hard to keep up with their new lifestyles. They are relatively ' poor ' in those circles. Oprah will dump them once the stories become too stale and I doubt his own family will want much to do with them now.
I fear it won't be an easy ride for either of them really ; burnt all their bridges.

In the (now full) Harry Is Brave thread many posters mentioned that he is clearly unwell but being manipulated by many of those around him. He might believe that he's doing a noble job of baring his soul to help others but it's being presented in too much of a shiny, sanitised way that the entire message and venture is backfiring. In the end, Harry's the one who will take all the damage whilst many many people around him have made millions.

He also inadvertently revealed some things which are really quite disturbing. Telling your partner the exact method you intend to commit suicide (whilst not actively seeking help*) seems like a massive burden for them to carry. It's easy to see how this underlying threat can be easily used to steer actions and words in fear of being held responsible for another loss. I've always been skeptical of the narcissist theory up until Harry talked about that detail.

*Yes the narrative is that they were "prevented" from doing so, but even normal people allowed to A&E at all hours if there is an acute risk of suicide with methodology and intent. At that level of privilege, the best psychiatrists in England could have been called in to assess or prescribe something if necessary. Having Harry carry the entire burden of someone else's potential suicide is shocking. Nobody will ever know the truth there.

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

I actually think the media should decline any interviews form PH in the short term. I think he’s going through issues linked to losing his mother so suddenly and publicly. He’s clearly never dealt with his grief or anger as he’s been taught to hold it all in which is damaging.

What were are witnessing is a delayed reaction. His family and father need to fly out to America and they need to get him help and quietly thrash this out and help build him back up. You’ve got a couple who’ve both come from damaged backgrounds struggling. Just because they are rich doesn’t mean they are undeserving. Harry is very angry and needs help we can see this.

He’s currently thrashing around all over the place but if the media agree to not make this public even if he thinks that’s what he wants (he’ll regret it when his mental health recovers), I’m hoping the current Diana thing will make him and William see they need to be closer.

You’ve put my thoughts into words. Yes we know the royals are disfunctional-as are most of us, just in different ways. I firmly believe that Harry wanted out for a long time, and Meghan has come along and made him realise there was a way out. I do think they didn’t go about it the best way (understatement!), however none of us know what conversations were had between whom, in the period leading up to them leaving. Harry’s parents were BOTH manipulated, not helped by Diana’s family background being less than straightforward. With all the information now coming out about Diana’s interview with Bashir, to me it answers a lot of questions about her apparently “loose cannon” behaviour, and I can’t begin to imagine how that would make me feel in W&H’s shoes. What W has though which is likely a massive help, is in-laws who certainly appear to be very “normal”, and he’s very much part of their family. Sadly H is never going to have that. It would have been good if the Panorama stuff could have brought W&H closer together again, but that’s looking unlikely, at least for a long time. I don’t think there are any “winners” in this

Yeah, he's clearly pissed off, but he seemed quite happy until he was told he categorically could not make money using the term Royal or HRH.

Exactly. It’s a really odd co incidence that they put that statement out about collaborating with the queen, bringing Archie up in the royal tradition etc and making their own money whilst continuing to do royal duties,, and they when they were told no and their titles removed they suddenly felt the need ro inform the world what an dysfunctional intensive bunch of bastards the royal family all were.

I’m sure they would tell us the two aren’t related….

I think they had an idea that anything they wanted to do they could just do and when they were told ' no' they were a bit shocked and surprised! I totally get this, but goes to show how ill informed Meghan was and that is all Harry's fault for not getting her any help for her when she was obviously struggling or telling her what being a ' Royal ' really involved. It is about doing things you don't want to. Comes with the territory.
No wonder she wanted out , although I wish she had decided this before millions was spent on their wedding in 2018 ( or whenever it was )
They wanted their cake and eat it too. Life isn't like this , even if you are privileged in life!

Chaos,

Who has been loving and supportive though! The aunts and uncles are all busy with their own family, children, exposes issues and his dad married the woman his mum was outsted for who also has her own dc and gc.

How close can he be to the ruling monarch whose position dictates Harry's own wife has to cutesy to her?

Who is this family gathering around him and supporting him?

That leaves William, possibly Kate and Charles.

@RealhousewifeofStoke
Of course rich people are impacted. However , slating your family publicly, complaining about not being supported financially in your late thirties by your father, and complaining ALL THE TIME about how hard life is for you is a bit lacking in empathy for those who have to struggle without the means to find support . Many people are not in the position to pay for the best help available , have to work for a living and don't expect their family to pay their bills whilst being treated appallingly by a dependent adult son.

It's a very big coincidence if it's not related, bluntness. One that I find improbable.

I'm sure they have both suffered and I'm sure the comments from some are very hurtful, especially in the beginning when they hadn't done anything to warrant criticism. I don't want to minimise anyone's MH issues. But people who are dealing with MH issues often struggle to see situations with perspective, it can be very self focused, and they often make poor choices.

I firmly believe that they are being exploited and Harry can't see that instead of breaking the cycle he is actually continuing it.

It's incredibly sad.