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To think Harry/Meghan are coming out of this worse than the Royal Family?

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Bassarid · 23/05/2021 06:01

Is it just me?

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ncgy · 23/05/2021 11:54

And he’s only out of it because he was stripped of his titles and chucked out becayse he wanted to use his title to make as many Hollywood bucks as he could., mix with the a listers, fly around on private jets.

This is not true though. The RF are able to use private jets already & mix with A-Listers if they want.

battenburgwithtea · 23/05/2021 11:54

I think the Royal family has come out of it slightly worse but nobody has come out looking good

Puttingouthefirewithgasoline · 23/05/2021 11:55

Well I see cringing zoom posts from them and I can't even listen because William looks so angry, his cheek muscle always flexing and Kate seems so fake.

VillanellesOrangeCoat · 23/05/2021 11:55

It’s all very Jeremy Kyle. Cringeworthy

ncgy · 23/05/2021 11:55

What family, there is no family unit so how can anyone with The Harry growing up, under knee roof along side them possibly compare?

I don't know, the only Harry's I know didn't have family units.

Bluntness100 · 23/05/2021 11:55

Very true. He wanted to keep those titles, go to the big royal events, come back to the UK every month. It’s odd that London is now ‘triggering’

Exactly. Some folks are trying to rewrite what’s occured here. They put a statement out saying they intended to make money and continue to be royals. It was the royals who told them they couldn’t cash in like that.

"After many months of reflection and internal discussions, we have chosen to make a transition this year in starting to carve out a progressive new role within this institution.
"We intend to step back as 'senior' members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty The Queen.
"It is with your encouragement, particularly over the last few years, that we feel prepared to make this adjustment.
"We now plan to balance our time between the United Kingdom and North America, continuing to honour our duty to The Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages.
"This geographic balance will enable us to raise our son with an appreciation for the royal tradition into which he was born, while also providing our family with the space to focus on the next chapter, including the launch of our new charitable entity.
"We look forward to sharing the full details of this exciting next step in due course, as we continue to collaborate with Her Majesty The Queen, The Prince of Wales, The Duke of Cambridge and all relevant parties.
"Until then, please accept our deepest thanks for your continued support."

SueSaid · 23/05/2021 11:55

'Why though? You don't know him or what he thinks, feels. This weird ownership, entitlement, judgement is obviously what he finds so claustrophobic.'

What entitlement and ownership? He is putting himself out there constantly with dramatic Hollywood blockbuster style shows, so he will be scrutinised.

For his own mh and his family's ('love always wins' he infact said) he needs to stop blaming everyone and everything. He should sack the therapist and look in the mirror.

Puttingouthefirewithgasoline · 23/05/2021 11:56

Ncgy and..... Drum roll... They do want, eyes to the lolita jet.

AIMummy · 23/05/2021 11:58

@ohforarainyday

The Firm is utterly toxic and corrupt. Nothing Harry or Meghan do as individuals can possibly compare to institutional corruption that treats immediate family and children as disposable tools to prop up an institution.

The entire system exists to support the Monarch and the Heir at all costs - everyone else is dispensable - and the RF exist in an uneasy alliance with the British tabloid press (Buckingham Palace regularly giving secret unlisted parties just for tabloid editors) where they have an unspoken agreement to cooperate with the tabloids.

The real scandal has nothing to do with one basically unimportant whiner going on a podcast to talk about his mental health issues, but corruption that goes to the very deepest parts of how our country is run, which is basically government corruption and the lack of a free press. The RF exist as a prong of the corrupt relationship between the press and the government.

For example, when Matt Hancock was found guilty, the BRF released some trivial story about Harry and Meghan, and the obedient Tory press made sure that story was the one plastered all over the front pages, and not Matt Hancock. Clearly a major British MP who is directly responsible for the UK's COVID response being found guilty of breaking the law and engaging in corruption that killed thousands is a FAR more important news story than "some random celeb kid mouthed off again". It's sheer corruption and proof we have no free press. The BFR were asked to provide a distraction and obediently provided one, and the Tory press agreed to downplay the Matt Hancock story in exchange for being given the splashy royal story instead. That's the deal. That's always the deal.

It's a fact that the RF have given negative stories about Harry to the press in exchange for covering up negative stories about William literally since Harry was an underage teenager. Multiple journalists have confirmed it. The Spare exists only to support the Heir and that means being a sacrificial lamb when needed.

The entire reason the BRF launched such a smear campaign against Harry and Meghan in the first place was to sweeten the press and keep the press on their good side, after William's overly aggressive behaviour and extreme legal threats to cover up his (alleged) affair with Rose Hanbury and prevent the British press from covering it.

The BRF DO have the power to muzzle the press when they want to. Look at the Queen publicly complaining about Sophie's treatment after Sophie tried to sell access to royals - she literally issued a press release asking the press to leave Sophie alone. Look at Kensington Palace issuing official press denials and complaints over stories about Kate's hair and beauty treatments, and the extreme rage and legal threats KP issued over the Kate-bashing Tatler article (threats that resulted in only one paragraph being removed, a paragraph about Rose Hanbury). Look how the Queen made a public show of support for Andrew, and how other scandals (Kate being exposed as never having visited several of her patronages even once since she became patron, royals breaking Covid rules, Beatrice starting a relationship with a man right after he dumped his fiancee who's just given birth leaving her homeless) have been kept out of the press.

Look at the corruption within the Palace. The Palace forced Dan Wootton's BEST FRIEND SINCE SCHOOL Jason Knauf onto Meghan as her press secretary. Jason Knauf was leaking private information to the tabloids about her the entire time, he's the one who gave the Thomas Markle letter to the press and lied that he'd co-written it (had to do an about face at the last minute to avoid perjury) and he's the one who faked the bullying allegations. He also hired his best friend Melissa Touabti for a role she'd never done before, she was fired for gross misconduct (Harry set a trap to find who was leaking, it turned out to be Melissa, and it was later discovered she'd lied on her CV) and despite being fired she immediately walked into a plum job as nanny for a Tory billionaire whose sister is a Daily Mail journalist.

Meanwhile Jason Knauf is rewarded for stabbing his employers in the back and regularly breaking his NDA by being given the plum 'top job' as CEO literally running William and Kate's entire foundation. Which strongly indicates the BRF knew and instructed him to spy on Meghan and to leak damaging info about her to the press, because Royal staff have to sign watertight NDAs - breaking an NDA by leaking private royal information is an automatic firing offence. Why would Will and Kate reward a known liar who sells Royal secrets to the press with such a plum promotion, unless he was acting under orders?

Not to mention the regularity with which private conversations (eg Kate and Meghan's argument during the dress fitting) which are leaked to the press - people seem to take it for granted that the tabloids will print this stuff because people treat the BRF as a soap opera, but no one ever questions how exactly the tabloids get this information. Look at the dress fitting argument - someone had to actually phone up a tabloid reporter and say "Meghan and Kate had an argument today" and that someone clearly was not Meghan or anyone on her team. So who was it? What's the name of the Leaker?

What is the name of the person or people who have leaked Harry's every movement to the press for the past three years? It's obviously not anyone on Harry and Meghan's side, because all the leaks have been negative and all the leaks stopped the second they left.

Then there's the fact William and Kate's own press secretary's partner was caught (copies of bank statements published in Byline Times) accepting two payments totalling £4k from a bank account belonging to the Sun, to sell stories about Meghan.

Corruption from top to bottom.

I reckon William had it in for MM from the start. Do you remember his smirking during her wedding? Shock
ncgy · 23/05/2021 11:59

Had they gone to LA and lived a private life there would have been no fiasco.

But they need money for security etc. Now you can judge how much money they need but nonetheless it's their decision how much is enough & security is expensive. E & B was 500k a yr I believe so not cheap.

ohforarainyday · 23/05/2021 12:00

It’s such an inconsequential story
More inconsequential than the story claiming Kate sometimes wears hair extensions, which Kensington Palace's press office issued an official denial over?

The RF’s approach is don’t comment and the story will go away. It works generally too
Complete nonsense. They complain, issue press denials, issue legal threats, and get 'their side' out via leaks, constantly.

William massively blew up at Tatler, issuing a furious public statement and lengthy legal threats, when Tatler didn't even say anything bad, just were snooty about Kate being middle class and took the piss out of her PR team trying to position Kate as this super hard working "top CEO" when she barely does a couple of Zooms a week. The same article also mentioned the dress fitting story, that's the one part William and Kate chose to exclude from their complaints. Why?

Please remember: the only paragraph William's lawyers had removed from the Tatler article was one paragraph about Rose Hanbury.

Anyway who do you think leaked the 'Kate and Meghan had an argument' story to the tabloids to begin with?

Their behaviour ranges from a bit tricky to severely problematic. Everyone has to dance around them or else they blow up

That describes William and his infamous rages and attacks on the press far more than Harry.

What was Matt Hancock found guilty of?
Acting unlawfully over Covid contracts.

ncgy · 23/05/2021 12:02

What entitlement and ownership? He is putting himself out there constantly with dramatic Hollywood blockbuster style shows, so he will be scrutinised.

The entitlement that makes you think he should grow up, get some reflection, stop lashing out etc because you disagree. Why do you care & watch the shows if you don't like his behaviour?

Puttingouthefirewithgasoline · 23/05/2021 12:02

William smirking at Harry's wedding, no, I don't know remember, can anyone post the evidence?

SueSaid · 23/05/2021 12:05

'Why do you care & watch the shows if you don't like his behaviour?'

Oh I don't watch them however they are all over the news as he knew they would be. He is punishing his family for not letting him do as he pleased last year, it is glaringly obvious.

Proudboomer · 23/05/2021 12:09

I think Micheal curry’s 14 minute sermon was enough to make most of the congregation smirk.
Nothing to do with Harry and Meghan and more about his “when love is the way” sermon.

ncgy · 23/05/2021 12:10

Oh I don't watch them however they are all over the news as he knew they would be
He is punishing his family for not letting him do as he pleased last year, it is glaringly obvious

So obvious that you don't even need to listen to him 🤔

LuvMyBubbles · 23/05/2021 12:10

@IamnotSethRogan

I think they're really popular in America form what I understand and that's where they now live. They've left our spiteful little island.
The novelty is wearing thin from some reports.
chaosrabbitland · 23/05/2021 12:11

@ncgy

It seems nobody really likes Prince Andrew, but he hasn’t been found guilty of any crime.

Nor has Harry, I'm just questioning why Harry's behaviour is seen as more damaging & embarrassing.

because he never stops trashing and slagging off his own family , who it should be pointed out have for all appearances been loving and supportive of him , its only since he wanted to leave that now suddenly hes got nothing good to say , or more like since he didnt get what he wanted , im surprised anybody would need to ask why harrys behaviour is worse than andrews , because regardless of andrews poor choices in friends , its unproven that hes actually commited a crime , to be fair though i think the only ones getting emnarrassed and damaged are harry and megan rather than the royal family , and every time he opens his mouth it gets just that little bit worse for the pair of them
ohforarainyday · 23/05/2021 12:14

These are interviews with Oprah he’s being paid millions and millions for.
He didn't receive a penny for Oprah. Stop telling lies.

And he’s only out of it because he was stripped of his titles and chucked out becayse he wanted to use his title to make as many Hollywood bucks as he could

Do you actually believe your own lies?

Harry wasn't "chucked out" he chose to leave. He hasn't been "stripped of his titles" he still has his titles.

From the day they got married, the tabloids have whipped up hysteria that Harry and Meghan might profit from their titles (at the exact same time we now know the BRF were pressuring Meghan to keep working as an actress - an instruction that certainly would have exposed her to accusations she was profiteering). Harry and Meghan were attacked for copywriting their names when William and Kate were praised for copywriting theirs.

Plenty of royals directly financially profit from being royals (Andrew's Pitch Palace, Peter Phillips flogging milk, even the Queen selling beer and gin). Harry and Meghan didn't start to financially profit until after they officially left which is literally why they left - so they would be allowed to earn their own money.

fly around on private jets.
Both Charles and William fly on private jets far more than Harry.

mix with the a listers
LOL did you miss William publicly bitching and complaining that he'd tried desperately to get celebrities involved and been turned down by every single one? Or the outrage after William and Kate were snubbed and mocked by celebs at the Baftas and the newspaper article claiming Kensington Palace are inserting a "moral clause" into William and Kate's BAFTA contracts to ensure Bafta winners are not allowed to make "disrespectful" comments about the RF?

SueSaid · 23/05/2021 12:14

'So obvious that you don't even need to listen to him'

I said I don't watch his latest Hollywood oversharing/score settling spectacle sadly however it is all over the msm.

I feel sorry for him, anyone can see he needs nurturing and keeping away from scrutiny not whipping up to be the lead in this circus.

RealhousewifeofStoke · 23/05/2021 12:15

@ncgy

No one wants Haz miserable, many want him to grow up and do some self reflection, stop lashing out. Accept that the tragedy in his past needs moving on from. He isn't reliving the past no matter how much next expose reveals.

Why though? You don't know him or what he thinks, feels. This weird ownership, entitlement, judgement is obviously what he finds so claustrophobic.

This. And what the fuck is with the ‘Haz’ crap? Confused
LuvMyBubbles · 23/05/2021 12:16

@sunnyblackwidow

I think he's being exploited, by all those around him - for fane and financial gain. He was Meghan's meal ticket and she is now indeed one of the most famous women in the world. Oprah, Gail and their 'brands' etc. have moved in and benefited hugely from exploiting Harry's unhappiness, he is everyone's golden goose at the moment. The sadder, more damaged and angrier he is the more lucrative he is for those around him. A peaceful, happy and quiet life is not going to make any headlines or any money - even though that's what he deserves.

He has moved away from 'the firm' and is now surrounded by unscrupulous vultures. I feel as sorry the him as I did the little lad made to walk behind his mum's coffin. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Dealing with his mental health and confronting pain in his childhood could be done privately with his family, if that's what he needs to do. He is not considering his family members' mental health or emotional well being at all in making this so ugly and so public. I think he will live to regret this deeply one day.

I believe she is a classic narcissist, and their story is playing out like so many married to one. Just very very public. But they are following the same script.

One day he may be on the receiving end of nasty allegations and 'tell all' books and interviews as I believe Meghan and those close to her at the time will turn on him and dispose of him, when the times come for her to change the narrative and tell 'her truth', when she feels she will gain the most from this.

I hope the RF and British public will welcome him back and he could lead a quiet life without royal duties, and not lose access to his children. He is a man who is being very publicly broken, we are watching him being chewed up and now just waiting for him to be spat out.

Sad but true.
ohforarainyday · 23/05/2021 12:16

because he never stops trashing and slagging off his own family
He's made a couple of brief comments about wanting to end a cycle of hurt - a cycle plenty of other royals have admitted exists - and apart from the allegation that one family member made a racist comment.

None of his comments have been "trashing and slagging off" and none of them have been anywhere near as bad as what Charles has said about his upbringing, what Charles said about Diana, what Diana said about the family, or what William has said about his mother.

who it should be pointed out have for all appearances been loving and supportive of him
Hardly. Throwing your own child under a bus, planting a tabloid spy in their midst, and leaking nasty stories about them to the press, is hardly "loving and supportive."

RealhousewifeofStoke · 23/05/2021 12:17

‘WTF is wrong with some posters here. ’

They spend too much time reading the daily mail and watching breakfast TV Wink

Billandben444 · 23/05/2021 12:19

They weren't 'thrown out' of the RF - they said how they wanted to make their money with a half-in and half-out approach and were told this would not be possible. They didn't want to accept the alternatives on offer so elected to leave.

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