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To think the UK should not fund the Eurovision Song Contest?

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NowIsTheSpringOfOurDiscontent · 23/05/2021 00:07

Or bother entering obviously.

It’s a humiliation and everyone hates us so we hardly get any votes. None this year due to Brexit and the Covid vaccine probably.

Poor James Sad. He certainly didn’t deserve NIL points!

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SpindleWhorl · 24/05/2021 10:22

I believe that Leo is available for bookings Grin

ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere · 24/05/2021 10:28

Bear in mind that San Marino sent Flo Rida, who is still a global star albeit past his peak, with a solid number, performed with real gusto and got virtually no love from the viewing public.

SpindleWhorl · 24/05/2021 10:30

I was wondering idly why didn't Cilla Black ever do it.

During my intensive researches wiki I read that the lovely Cilla refused to allow her show to host the much lovelier Olivia Newton John singing her six contender songs because of, erm, 'limelight issues', so Olivia had to go on Jimmy Savile's show instead to do it.

People voted for the winning song, which would represent the UK at the Eurovision finals, by writing in on postcards.

And a right load of old shite it was.

Mytiredeyeshaveseenenough · 24/05/2021 10:31

Very much doubt the average Eurovision viewer is sitting there frothing about the nasty Brexiteers.

More likely, the score reflected just how boring and awful his performance actually was. The song itself was inoffensive enough but this is Eurovision. Even the Germans went for it. And although they failed nearly as hard as we did, they looked like they were having a good time. Still amazes me that they didn't do better.

Look, we know we aren't going to win anytime soon so let's have fun. Put up the most insane slice of cheese possible and just enjoy it.

TableFlowerss · 24/05/2021 10:31

@SpindleWhorl

although I still don’t think we’d win even if we sent over the Beatles

Wouldn't that be because half of them are dead, and one of the others is Paul McCartney?

True but I was meaning at the height of their fame Grin
HeyDemonsItsYaGirl · 24/05/2021 10:32

@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere

Bear in mind that San Marino sent Flo Rida, who is still a global star albeit past his peak, with a solid number, performed with real gusto and got virtually no love from the viewing public.
It was an awful song which is why it got such few votes, despite having a well-known singer involved. Despite what sore losers want to believe, it really does come down to the song - not the singer or their nationality.
WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 24/05/2021 10:39

So Engelbert was a big mistake, as we shouldn't have sent an elderly man to represent us. Instead, we should go completely in the opposite direction and send.... Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr?!?! Grin

Incidentally, I think Engelbert has still kept his voice much better than Macca has. The age thing is a red herring, apart from the energetic dancing being very popular, maybe.

This might be a crazy suggestion, but if we could get a really strong, funky power-song and send Tom Jones along with five members of Diversity (whether in silver sparkly leotards/dresses or not) to do the high-energy part, I could really see that working!!

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 24/05/2021 10:41

I was wondering idly why didn't Cilla Black ever do it.

Cilla had a very strong, powerful voice.... but it wasn't a pleasant-sounding one. It was OK on the quieter, breathy parts, but as soon as she got going, it was nails down a blackboard.

CounsellorTroi · 24/05/2021 10:47

*People voted for the winning song, which would represent the UK at the Eurovision finals, by writing in on postcards.

And a right load of old shite it was.*

People voted in the same way for Beg Steal or Borrow by the New Seekers and Power To All Our Friends, both of which I thought were good songs although they didn’t win. They were up against some right belters like Avec Toi, sung by Vicky Leandros representing Luxembourg. And of course Waterloo.

DouzePoints · 24/05/2021 11:25

I was desperate to join this discussion yesterday but had too much going on. Between this thread and similar discussions on Twitter, I can’t help but be reminded of all those feminism/sexism memes; you know the ones with men saying they’ll never know what women want, they are such complex and mysterious creatures while a woman desperately tries to break into the conversation to tell them exactly what we want. In these conversations we have many folk from all over Europe saying they have nothing against the UK and would happily vote for a good song but still they are ignored while others maintain there is a political conspiracy and even sending Ed Sheeran won’t help.

I do think politics play a small part in the voting, but it absolutely comes second to the song. As others have said, if it was truly all about politics, Russia and Israel would not regularly score highly. It seems to me that the attitude form other countries is “they have sent a rubbish song, which doesn’t merit any votes, and this is indicative of their feelings towards Europe”. It could easily be “they have sent a great song which demonstrates that politics are irrelevant here, it’s all about the music and they smashed it – 12 points to the UK”. That said though, for everyone commentating that Brexit does not account for our performance over 2 years, I lived in a shared flat in Madrid in 1999. We were two Spaniards, One Argentian, One Cuban, One American and me (UK). The landlady had only done business with the Spaniards but came around to meet the rest of us. She went crazy at me, when she found out I was from the UK, saying I had to leave and she wold not lease a room to me because of the UK’s attitude to the EU. Even back in 1999, there were “Eurosceptics” and the threat of a referendum and our EU neighbours knew it and didn’t like it. Once the Spanish flatmates had got a word in edgeways to tell her I was Scottish though, her entire attitude changed and she was happy as larry to have me there.

Our song this year was so frustrating. The radio/single edit is much better than the live performance but still somewhat lacklustre. James Newman seems like a thoroughly decent bloke and a highly talented and respected songwriter but two things are clear (1), he knocked this one up quickly and (2) there’s a reason why he normally writes for others rather than performing his songs himself. The radio edit starts really well. I’ll be honest, every single time it comes on my Eurovsion 2021 playlist, I’ve had to look it up to remind myself which country it is: The verses are strong and build to a chorus which just doesn’t get going and lets the whole thing down. The chorus should have a thumping baseline and a real party/dance atmosphere but it is so lacklustre and instead we get these cheesy 1990’s/Mambo No 5 style trumpets. His live performance made everything worse – he was breathless, out of time and flat. He seemed really nervous and I genuinely felt for him but at the end of the day, the contest was stronger than ever this year and it is absolutely right that he just didn’t fit into anybody’s top ten which unfortunately resulted in the zero points result. As others have said, he wasn’t awarded “nul points”, it’s just a consequence of the way we vote for our top ten.

I’ve been saying for a few years now that if the UK are serious about getting a better result (honestly, I don’t think we really want to win but it would be nice to place in the top three), we need to explore the UK as a whole and challenge the view that UK=England. Bring in a singer-songwriter from Scotland, NI or Wales. We don’t need flashy gimmicks or joke songs – just a really good tune, performed by a talented singer. They would also need to play the circuit though. Lloyd-Webber and Jade Ewen did this really well and it paid off by placing 5th (although on this thread, some are looking at this as a huge failure). Get the song into people’s heads around Europe and go onto talk shows to show that we are serious about competing and passionate about the song. Even better if the performer can use this platform to talk about their Scottish/Welsh/NI heritage and pride in their roots. They might even incorporate a bit of Gaelic or Welsh into the lyrics – prove to the EBU members that we’re not all of the Amanda Holden mindset. Most importantly though, we have to follow this through year on year. Most winners don’t come from nowhere. We see certain countries hovering around the top 5 before they finally make it.

I’ve watched Eurovision for as long as I can remember and I fully credit it with giving me a fascination for languages at a very early age which went on to shape my studies, my career and my life – living and travelling in several countries around Europe in my late teens and twenties. I would hate to think that the UK/BBC would pull the plug on this event just because we don’t do well (and again, I repeat, this is a self-fulfilling prophesy because we don’t invest enough in the song and performer in the first place). One great thing about covid restrictions easing is that hopefully next year, more people will be out in pubs and clubs. There were far too many people watching and voicing opinions this year who wouldn’t normally get involved. Moaning because they don’t understand the voting and confidently proclaiming that we need to send Steps next year because it’s exactly what Europe wants. No, it’s really not and we’ll come last again for sending an aging group with a dated sound who were last relevant over 20 years ago. We are so bloody arrogant about what we perceive to be a euro-pop sound without noticing that tastes really have moved on.

Janaih · 24/05/2021 12:24

@DouzePoints an expert analysis 👏

I hope the BBC Eurovision dept are reading this thread.

I have post Eurovision blues today 🥺

StColumbofNavron · 24/05/2021 12:25

It was an awful song which is why it got such few votes, despite having a well-known singer involved. Despite what sore losers want to believe, it really does come down to the song - not the singer or their nationality.

I thought it was great and reggaeton in style riffing off Pitbull and Despacito type things. Which I think is the point - people just like different things.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 24/05/2021 12:31

I can’t help but be reminded of all those feminism/sexism memes; you know the ones with men saying they’ll never know what women want, they are such complex and mysterious creatures while a woman desperately tries to break into the conversation to tell them exactly what we want. In these conversations we have many folk from all over Europe saying they have nothing against the UK and would happily vote for a good song but still they are ignored while others maintain there is a political conspiracy and even sending Ed Sheeran won’t help.

That's an extremely good point and very well made.

It also occurs to me that, as well as not being a natural performer, James didn't actually seem to write the song for his own voice. Had they originally intended it to be sung by somebody else - possibly with a bigger range? Just when you're waiting for a big build, he has to drop down an octave (from a not very high note to start with) - and even the best lower voices often sound less clear in a massive auditorium.

You hear it all the time when people casually sing along to the radio and have to drop or jump up an octave when the key doesn't suit them (or they have a very limited range), but it's certainly not what a professional, practised performer would do - especially when singing a song he's written for himself.

HeyDemonsItsYaGirl · 24/05/2021 12:34

He knew he'd be the one performing when he wrote the song, so it's even more of a mystery. I think maybe he was just very nervous - when I'm nervous I get inexplicably out of breath, even when I'm not moving around a stage. Hard to sing well in that state.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 24/05/2021 12:41

Oh, I'm sure it's hugely nerve-wracking, even for the most seasoned performers - but with that in mind, why would you send somebody who isn't normally a performer at all, let alone a highly experienced one?

HeyDemonsItsYaGirl · 24/05/2021 12:43

No way. James Newman was a terrible choice! I agree with you, just musing about why he seemed to have written a song so unsuited to his voice.

DouzePoints · 24/05/2021 13:14

20 years, not 2 years in my previous post (facepalm).

Also, this is a fantastic twitter thread on our poor song choices and how we can improve. twitter.com/kitlovelace/status/1396160993504415744

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 24/05/2021 14:57

there is a political conspiracy and even sending Ed Sheeran won’t help

Bloody hell, even the most ardent anti-Europe gammon wouldn't do that to them.

I've heard the atrocity that is Galway Girl. Poor Steve Earl. His legacy has been to have the title of a really good song appropriated for that

Wouldn't see too many hostilities breaking out over sending them James Blunt, though. They did really like David Hasslehof, after all.

SpindleWhorl · 24/05/2021 15:10

Wouldn't see too many hostilities breaking out over sending them James Blunt, though. They did really like David Hasslehof, after all.

They can have Sam Smith. With my compliments. They don't even have to send him back.

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 24/05/2021 15:16

@SpindleWhorl

Wouldn't see too many hostilities breaking out over sending them James Blunt, though. They did really like David Hasslehof, after all.

They can have Sam Smith. With my compliments. They don't even have to send him back.

We could chuck them in for free? A completely BOGOF offer?
SpindleWhorl · 24/05/2021 15:33

James Blunt, Sam Smith and Lily Allen for a BOGOF, @NeverDropYourMoonCup? Or would Europe see that one coming?

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 24/05/2021 15:37

@SpindleWhorl

James Blunt, Sam Smith and Lily Allen for a BOGOF, *@NeverDropYourMoonCup*? Or would Europe see that one coming?
They'd certainly hear it.
Cloudfrost · 24/05/2021 15:46

as a european national leaving for several years in England now, and massive eurovision fan for like 15 years, i can swear, europe does not hate the Uk, the songs the UK sens are either generic tat, out of date, weird or competition has just been better. Then there is the lack of PR to add to the mix and skipping the semifinals.when i lived in greece, eurovision was such a big deal is what they discuss on news and talkshows for at least 6 months of the year lol

Cloudfrost · 24/05/2021 15:46

also forgive my typos, i hate the lack of autocorrect on my pc lol

CMZ2018 · 24/05/2021 17:30

Agreed, it’s utter nonsense

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