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A message from a trans friend. International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia .....

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Biber · 18/05/2021 09:59

Apparently today is the International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia...

I shall do my part, so here are a few things that might help others to understand better.

Everyone has to go to the toilet at some point. I think even for many non-trans people, public toilets are often only used as a last resort (has anyone ever actually been inside a "nice" public toilet?). This is also the case for trans people. No one uses them unless the really have to. Trans people aren't thinking about what's down there on other people or anything like that (only perverts are). Trans people just want to avoid making a stinking mess in their underwear, without having to prove what they themselves have (or haven't got) down there (i.e. some dignity would be nice). No one should feel uncomfortable doing their business and everyone is entitled to privacy. That applies to both trans and non-trans people. If someone does make you feel uncomfortable through their actions (not by how they dress or present themselves), then you should do something about it, because you in fact are likely not the only one who will be uncomfortable.
In short, why aren't all public toilets individual and completely private? Do spare a thought for those of us with more generalised anxiety disorders...

There are some people who are quite happy to include trans people once they have fully transitioned, i.e. undergone surgery. That's great, we just need to tell our doctors and the trust who is going to fund the surgery and the surgeons and the hospital where we will be having the surgery that they all need to bloody well hurry up so that we can have the surgery and be finally be included. Don't they realise that if we have to wait another year, we are going to continue to be excluded? That some people will still deny us the right to use certain facilities (the loo in some cases)? Forget the fact that it would be great to have the surgery as soon as possible so that we can be comfortable with ourselves and get on with our lives... So, trans people are being "temporarily excluded" because they cannot speed up a system (that they themselves so badly want to speed up), which is already under-resourced and overwhelmed saving people's lives.
Oh, and btw, trans people are aware that it isn't the surgery that finally makes them the other sex/gender. They know they are more likely to see a properly funded and resourced NHS under the Tories than they are to ever have children once they have had the surgery; that it's all a sort of compromise/this is the best that can be done with your body. But until or unless huge advances are made in medicine and surgery, this is the best that can be achieved for now. Well, it is better than nothing. After all, it hasn't even been 100 years yet since the first sex reassignment surgery was performed.

Of course, that is assuming all transgender people can have surgery, or even want surgery. As surprising as it may sound, transgender people come in all sorts - old and young, short and tall, all sorts of ethnicities, cool, boring, fun, smart, stupid... Oh, and they also differ in terms of their gender identities and presentation (the clue is after all in the term). Some of them might just not be very conventional in terms of their presentation and behaviour, have no interest in taking hormones, and definitely do not want surgery. Others will go all the way and do it so well that you will doubt they are telling the truth about them being trans, even as they shove a copy of their birth certificate and their baby pictures in your face. A lot of people are somewhere inbetween. One does have to wonder how a single term can be used to describe such a diverse range of people! With that in mind, I propose we rename it to "gender-diverse" (like "neuro-diverse"), because "diverse" seems like such a good word at the moment, right?

Trans people exist. Always have, always will. Everywhere. If you have a friend who is trans and is happy to speak to you about it and answer any questions you have, then do speak to them about it. This is important. Why? Because not all trans people are so happy or willing to talk about it. Why? Because how many times do you have to explain the same things over and over again to people who will, despite their best intentions, never really get it? To a society that at present, partly excludes you at best, and at worst tries to kill you. A society where your rights and existence are denied, where people don't believe you, and you spend a long time waiting in uncertainty. Speaking of uncertainty, trans people have one thing to thank covid-19 for: every single person in the world now knows what it is like to have their live on hold for a long period of time, faced with uncertainties in a situation far beyond their control, in a system that is not prepared to deal with them. Now you all have an understanding of what it is like emotionally to be trans (though without the gender bit), and I'm sorry because I would not have wished that even on my worst enemies (ok, well maybe for a few weeks at most for the worst of the worst).

And with that, I bid you all a happy International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia!

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Eyesofdisarray · 20/05/2021 13:27

Transmaxxing???? Bleurgh - whatever next?
@Imasoulman- I don't think you're a pervert either. I do hope you have real life support though.

Eyesofdisarray · 20/05/2021 13:28

BTW; don't get "extract their resources" though.....??

acatcalledjohn · 20/05/2021 13:31

@TheVampiresWife

Transmaxxing.

Just when you think you've seen it all...

People will treat you better if they think you are a woman

Not my lived experience, but ok.

TheVampiresWife · 20/05/2021 13:31

The whole 'high quality male'/resources thing is part of incel culture. That's a rabbit hole you don't want to go down unless you have a strong stomach but it's incredibly telling that they're the sort of people who are into 'transmaxxing'.

DrSbaitso · 20/05/2021 13:35

@Eyesofdisarray

BTW; don't get "extract their resources" though.....??
Get them to buy you things and give you money.

Insulting to both men and women.

Eyesofdisarray · 20/05/2021 13:40

Thanks. Yuk

viques · 20/05/2021 13:41

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]I mean, look at this.

Mhairi Black, supporting either mixed-sex toilets as standard, or possibly saying that she welcomed transwomen in the women's toilets, with a "you can pee next to me" t-shirt. One of those, anyway.
www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/4177484/snp-mhairi-black-legend-trans-shirt/

Where are the lefty, proud trans ally men with their t-shirts, making transwomen feel welcome? www.redbubble.com/shop/?gender=gender-men&iaCode=u-tees&query=you%20can%20pee%20next%20to%20me&sortOrder=relevant[/quote]
Does that mean she will be using men’s urinals? Because last time I checked women’s toilets have cubicles, so her offering to pee next to someone in a women’s toilet is a bit pointless. But heck, you’re being kind Ms Black, it’s a generous offer though sadly misplaced, I think the best thing would be for you to pass out hundreds and hundreds of Pee next to me t shirts to men so transwomen feel confident to use men’s toilets.

Eyesofdisarray · 20/05/2021 13:42

of course my house is full of HQMs
Including the dog 😀

GreyhoundG1rl · 20/05/2021 13:43

People will treat you better if they think you are a woman
What planet at these gobshites on? 🤯🤯🤯

Eyesofdisarray · 20/05/2021 13:46

definitely not Venus GG

GreyhoundG1rl · 20/05/2021 13:48

@Eyesofdisarray

definitely not Venus GG
For sure!
RealhousewifeofStoke · 20/05/2021 13:49

@MaxNormal

To a society that at present, partly excludes you at best, and at worst tries to kill you. A society where your rights and existence are denied, where people don't believe you

The experience of women, right there.

This.
Helleofabore · 20/05/2021 13:53

@TheVampiresWife

Transmaxxing.

Just when you think you've seen it all...

Oh dear. Sorry everyone. I thought it was a well known 'sub group'... mind you any mention of them seems to get deleted quickly enough
GlassBoxSpectacular · 20/05/2021 13:54

@Eyesofdisarray

BTW; don't get "extract their resources" though.....??
I assume it refers to getting men to pay for things (because you're so pretty).

However, the part of my brain that hates me is determined to interpret it as a euphemism for a hand job.

Eyesofdisarray · 20/05/2021 13:55

@GlassBoxSpectacular 😲😲

GreyhoundG1rl · 20/05/2021 13:57

I assume it refers to getting men to pay for things (because you're so pretty).

However, the part of my brain that hates me is determined to interpret it as a euphemism for a hand job.

Ditto, actually. What has this place done to me? I used to be so innocent.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 20/05/2021 14:10

People will treat you better if they think you are a woman

Ah, the ignorance of growing up male!

Fuck me, everything on that transmaxxing link is grim but the audacity of that particular sentence is especially astounding.

We have it so easy us females don't we? Rarely victims of crime, using our feminine wiles to extract resources from men... life of riley!

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 20/05/2021 14:32

Yeah that list would be a hell of a lot more accurate - but less persuasive - if it included:

Be paid less for the same work

Take on the burden of emotional labour for your whole family

Experience painful and inconvenient symptoms for 1-2 weeks in every 4, including worrying that you’ll show yourself up by bleeding onto seats and sofas or bursting into tears at inopportune moments. Those enhanced oestrogen feelz huh.

Have your medical issues belittled and ignored by doctors

Take on the majority of domestic and childcare responsibilities, and the care of your older relatives in later life

Worry after every sexual encounter that you could be saddled with sole care of a child you don’t want, despite taking all necessary precautions, because BC isn’t 100% reliable

Feel obliged to remove any and all signs of body hair from the eyebrows down

Be made to feel that you are either to thin, too fat, too body obsessed, have let yourself go.... delete as appropriate

Spend a fortune on covering any signs of ageing lest anyone realise you’re not 24 any more and are therefore worthless as a human

Be lucky if anyone gives a shit whether or not you’ve had an orgasm, let alone multiple or “full body orgasms”, whatever the fuck they are. Be aware that you are very much just a vessel for someone else’s pleasure. (Actually scratch that, some people would probably enjoy that one!)

Worry whenever you leave the house that you could be blamed for your own rape due to choice of clothing, destination, mode of travel or time of day

I’m sure the list could go on.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 20/05/2021 14:36

@MarkRuffaloCrumble

Yeah that list would be a hell of a lot more accurate - but less persuasive - if it included:

Be paid less for the same work

Take on the burden of emotional labour for your whole family

Experience painful and inconvenient symptoms for 1-2 weeks in every 4, including worrying that you’ll show yourself up by bleeding onto seats and sofas or bursting into tears at inopportune moments. Those enhanced oestrogen feelz huh.

Have your medical issues belittled and ignored by doctors

Take on the majority of domestic and childcare responsibilities, and the care of your older relatives in later life

Worry after every sexual encounter that you could be saddled with sole care of a child you don’t want, despite taking all necessary precautions, because BC isn’t 100% reliable

Feel obliged to remove any and all signs of body hair from the eyebrows down

Be made to feel that you are either to thin, too fat, too body obsessed, have let yourself go.... delete as appropriate

Spend a fortune on covering any signs of ageing lest anyone realise you’re not 24 any more and are therefore worthless as a human

Be lucky if anyone gives a shit whether or not you’ve had an orgasm, let alone multiple or “full body orgasms”, whatever the fuck they are. Be aware that you are very much just a vessel for someone else’s pleasure. (Actually scratch that, some people would probably enjoy that one!)

Worry whenever you leave the house that you could be blamed for your own rape due to choice of clothing, destination, mode of travel or time of day

I’m sure the list could go on.

And as a final point on that excellent list:

"Be told by a high number of males throughout your lifetime that all of the above is either untrue, rare or your own fault."

LangClegsInSpace · 20/05/2021 14:38

Until Stonewall waded in and widened the umbrella to include all men.

There have been a few posts saying similar things. Unfortunately it's not true.

Here is an early version of the umbrella from 1994. Note the inclusion of 'crossdresser', 'transvestic fetishist' and 'transvestite'. 'Man / Woman' is also included and is defined as 'living in gender appropriate to gender identity & congruent with genitalia' Hmm

(from here: public.oed.com/blog/march-2018-update-release-notes-formal-language-sexuality-gender-identity/ )

The trans rights movement in the UK started with the Beaumont Society - a club for heterosexual cross-dressing men and their wives. Transsexuals were permitted to join but the main focus until relatively recently was definitely male cross-dressers.

www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/6971183/a-short-beaumont-history-the-beaumont-society

The Beaumont Society was started by Alice Purnell, following an epiphany in a soho sex shop. You can hear all about it in this enlightening interview of Alice by best mate Christine Burns:

soundcloud.com/justplainsense/jps90-alice

Burns went on to set up Press For Change with Stephen Whittle (the first ftm member of Beaumont). PFC is the organisation that is pretty much solely responsible for the gender recognition act being passed in 2004. They championed the use of the term 'trans' precisely because it made no distinction between 'transsexual' and 'transvestite'.

A message from a trans friend. International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia .....
Fernlake · 20/05/2021 14:40

@TheVampiresWife

Transmaxxing.

Just when you think you've seen it all...

Apart from that being grim, almost everything is the opposite. It's so irresponsible. Who is telling them this stuff?

It's my understanding that surgery will sexually desensitise, not increase sensitivity. It doesn't add any nerve endings. In fact it reduces them.

Their dating pool reduces, and they become a lifelong medical patient.

This is so irresponsible, I can barely believe it.

AlfonsoTheTerrible · 20/05/2021 14:44

I made the mistake of looking at transmaxxing on Reddit and now I feel ill.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 20/05/2021 14:54

Do women still get cheaper car insurance Specifically it was found to be a discriminatory practice, no matter what dta there was available to show it was based on actuarial analysis.

So cos the men felt hard done by, women, measurably safer drivers, lost their safe driving discount!

Didn't work for teens and twenty something drivers!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 20/05/2021 14:56

Ye gods Helleofabore

A passing 'sorry everyone' simply is not good enough for that horror!

Klaxon warning required!

HeadIsFucked · 20/05/2021 15:19

@TheVampiresWife

Transmaxxing.

Just when you think you've seen it all...

That reads kind of like satire to me..

Hard to tell these days