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A message from a trans friend. International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia .....

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Biber · 18/05/2021 09:59

Apparently today is the International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia...

I shall do my part, so here are a few things that might help others to understand better.

Everyone has to go to the toilet at some point. I think even for many non-trans people, public toilets are often only used as a last resort (has anyone ever actually been inside a "nice" public toilet?). This is also the case for trans people. No one uses them unless the really have to. Trans people aren't thinking about what's down there on other people or anything like that (only perverts are). Trans people just want to avoid making a stinking mess in their underwear, without having to prove what they themselves have (or haven't got) down there (i.e. some dignity would be nice). No one should feel uncomfortable doing their business and everyone is entitled to privacy. That applies to both trans and non-trans people. If someone does make you feel uncomfortable through their actions (not by how they dress or present themselves), then you should do something about it, because you in fact are likely not the only one who will be uncomfortable.
In short, why aren't all public toilets individual and completely private? Do spare a thought for those of us with more generalised anxiety disorders...

There are some people who are quite happy to include trans people once they have fully transitioned, i.e. undergone surgery. That's great, we just need to tell our doctors and the trust who is going to fund the surgery and the surgeons and the hospital where we will be having the surgery that they all need to bloody well hurry up so that we can have the surgery and be finally be included. Don't they realise that if we have to wait another year, we are going to continue to be excluded? That some people will still deny us the right to use certain facilities (the loo in some cases)? Forget the fact that it would be great to have the surgery as soon as possible so that we can be comfortable with ourselves and get on with our lives... So, trans people are being "temporarily excluded" because they cannot speed up a system (that they themselves so badly want to speed up), which is already under-resourced and overwhelmed saving people's lives.
Oh, and btw, trans people are aware that it isn't the surgery that finally makes them the other sex/gender. They know they are more likely to see a properly funded and resourced NHS under the Tories than they are to ever have children once they have had the surgery; that it's all a sort of compromise/this is the best that can be done with your body. But until or unless huge advances are made in medicine and surgery, this is the best that can be achieved for now. Well, it is better than nothing. After all, it hasn't even been 100 years yet since the first sex reassignment surgery was performed.

Of course, that is assuming all transgender people can have surgery, or even want surgery. As surprising as it may sound, transgender people come in all sorts - old and young, short and tall, all sorts of ethnicities, cool, boring, fun, smart, stupid... Oh, and they also differ in terms of their gender identities and presentation (the clue is after all in the term). Some of them might just not be very conventional in terms of their presentation and behaviour, have no interest in taking hormones, and definitely do not want surgery. Others will go all the way and do it so well that you will doubt they are telling the truth about them being trans, even as they shove a copy of their birth certificate and their baby pictures in your face. A lot of people are somewhere inbetween. One does have to wonder how a single term can be used to describe such a diverse range of people! With that in mind, I propose we rename it to "gender-diverse" (like "neuro-diverse"), because "diverse" seems like such a good word at the moment, right?

Trans people exist. Always have, always will. Everywhere. If you have a friend who is trans and is happy to speak to you about it and answer any questions you have, then do speak to them about it. This is important. Why? Because not all trans people are so happy or willing to talk about it. Why? Because how many times do you have to explain the same things over and over again to people who will, despite their best intentions, never really get it? To a society that at present, partly excludes you at best, and at worst tries to kill you. A society where your rights and existence are denied, where people don't believe you, and you spend a long time waiting in uncertainty. Speaking of uncertainty, trans people have one thing to thank covid-19 for: every single person in the world now knows what it is like to have their live on hold for a long period of time, faced with uncertainties in a situation far beyond their control, in a system that is not prepared to deal with them. Now you all have an understanding of what it is like emotionally to be trans (though without the gender bit), and I'm sorry because I would not have wished that even on my worst enemies (ok, well maybe for a few weeks at most for the worst of the worst).

And with that, I bid you all a happy International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia!

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HeadIsFucked · 19/05/2021 02:24

[quote WoolOfBat]mobile.twitter.com/LilyLilyMaynard/status/1392769251346456579[/quote]
Bloody hell, the massive explanation about how this isn't anything we need to see is..breathtaking, i a not good way

mobile.twitter.com/Neremanth/status/1393024177045659648

As if it was claimed this was something really common. Rather than..in reply to being repeatedly told this NEVER happens, is nothing more than a myth by bigoted right wingers, and so on. Like, I cannot imagine seeing all that sick shit, and replying with an essay on how its really not that bad, and maybe it will only affect 99.8% of women in their lives based on some quite dubious maths which is fine really as its next to none. While the same people use 'but intersex' as an argument elsewhere when such conditions affect 0.018% of people (who repeatedly ask to be left out of this nonsense in the first place!). So to summise..0.2% of women being affected by such pervs, nothing to see here move along. Rare conditions that affect 0.02% of people, shoehorned into gender woo, because the existence of such conditions means that sex is really a spectrum and is totally meaningless ad anyway the gender of your pik or blue soul is what matters bigot and sex segregation should end immediately as its just nothing but transphobic and its very existence, along with sex based rights, is transphobic violence and genocide.

Hmm

In a more serious tone, what the fuck is wrong with so many males. Males doing the videos, and no doubt mainly (so mainly its almost solely) males paying to watch it too. Ugh. And people seriously question why women need space away from men?

Definately · 19/05/2021 03:02

@nolongersurprised

twitter.com/heke_nig/status/1394799121458995203?s=21

Not a disgusting thread, but lists the many recent recordings of transwomen performing sex acts in female toilets and uploading it to porn sites.

Long gone OP : how are the trans community addressing those who identify as trans but clearly have a female toilet fetish?

Saw this the other day, had to stop when I got as far as the person who videoed the self ejaculating on a children's play set. So disgusting and disturbing and made me so angry I can barely voice it.

Nonmaquillee · 19/05/2021 06:44

I watched a couple too and was very disturbed, revolted, outraged...

GlassBoxSpectacular · 19/05/2021 06:47

@JocastaElastic

Having read OP's post, then read it again to double check, I can't see anything in their post that indicates which sex they are or which gender they identify with, yet the majority of responses to their post seem to suggest responders assume OP to be a trans-woman. They might not be; the OP might be a trans-man. Just saying....
I didn’t rely on baseless assumptions. AS was useful in that respect.

However, any “assumptions” by posters that the OP is a transwoman have likely stemmed from the fact that the OP’s sole contribution to the thread (ignoring the name-change fuck up that they were quick to disown Grin) an essay composed by a trans friend.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 19/05/2021 06:53

Not the right website to Share this OP

Sadly

HannaHat · 19/05/2021 06:55

Sadly

Yeah those God damn women, having minds and voices of their own.

DrSbaitso · 19/05/2021 07:01

@Thisisworsethananticpated

Not the right website to Share this OP

Sadly

I agree. Why do these people always direct their lectures at overwhelmingly female audiences?
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 19/05/2021 07:02

@Thisisworsethananticpated

Not the right website to Share this OP

Sadly

You're right. The OP should have gone to pistonheads instead. Or maybe datalounge
Erikrie · 19/05/2021 07:29

Not the right website to Share this OP

You're right. It isn't. But still they persist on bringing this stuff here for our viewing.

BrumBoo · 19/05/2021 07:32

@Thisisworsethananticpated

Not the right website to Share this OP

Sadly

@Thisisworsethananticpated I disagree. Evidently homophobia, especially aimed towards young lesbians, is becoming a worse problem. This thread has highlighted that, shame some people are completely ignoring it.
HeadIsFucked · 19/05/2021 08:00

@Erikrie

Not the right website to Share this OP

You're right. It isn't. But still they persist on bringing this stuff here for our viewing.

I guess theres the possibility, however small, that one day we just might just learn to LISTEN TO THE PENIS PEOPLE. Stop worrying about silly things like rights, privacy or fairness. And accept that we exist purely to support the bepenised ones. We may finally accept that we should really be putting our own safety and dignity dead last, and of course realise how dreadfully bigoted we have been to ever doubt this. As a bonus, maybe learn for the future to never doubt anything we are told ever again, and realise that we will be informed of when its appropriate for us to worry our pretty heads about something, but until then, we can talk about prams and floral knits. Like the menfolk assumed happened on MN to begin with before we stepped out of our box and started talking about manly things such as politics and current news stories (not about dummies or pampers), and even FEMINISM that is not of the 'funfem' variety. Jesus. You can see why they are so concerned about us really if you just think a bit Shock

If they could just manage to find the correct words, and put it across just right, we shall all see sense and defer as we are meant to do. I suspect its highly confusing that the expected tones and threats have not yet resulted in the desired response.

Something about mumsnet is giving a lot of challenge to those who do not like that we just won't do as we are told.

We are not doing 'cis woman' correctly, it appears! Wink

Erikrie · 19/05/2021 08:08

I guess theres the possibility, however small, that one day we just might just learn to LISTEN TO THE PENIS PEOPLE

Ha ha. They'll be waiting a while. Like. Forever.

littlebillie · 19/05/2021 08:08

I imagine** the Op is really enjoying this. However probably just peaked a few more pesky women

Rejoiningperson · 19/05/2021 08:10

I don’t know why people start a thread, accuse sensible responses of homophobia, and never engage in serious debate.

Part of me thinks it is social media rants gone crazy. Twitter and such really are growing these kind of extreme points of view and all the hate for others that goes with it.

Are threads like these one big call for attention for the OP I wonder?

Although it has educated me as a woman. I hadn’t really seen the point of the toilet debate and had thought of it as a non-issue. I thought that other issues were bigger and that this was kind of petty. I thought who cares if the occasional trans woman used the Ladies. I thought that sports, prison, hospitals were more important places where single sex mattered.

However now I’ve totally changed my mind.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 19/05/2021 08:23

Given this is a predominantly female website, and it's a thread about the International Day against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia, let's talk about support resources for female homosexuals experiencing homophobia.

MeToo has been very successfulin exposingthe prevalence of male sexual violence against women and girls.

But the experiences of lesbians are missing fromthesestories.

Lesbians are females who are same-sex attracted.

This website exists to give a space for lesbians to speak up. This website aims to collect direct lesbian experiences of male sexual violenceand harassmentagainst lesbians. This includes sexual violence and harassment against lesbians committed by males who identify or call themselves lesbians or women (transwomen).

We will publish stories about sexual harassment, assault, corrective rape, coercion, manipulation, cotton ceiling…

Sexual violence can happen everywhere: in the street, in the workplace, in LGBT / queer groups and spaces, in families, at school or university, on lesbian dating sites…

Perpetrators can be any males: bosses, friends, family members, teacher, lecturer, colleagues, schoolmates, strangers.

Whatever happened to you, whoever did it, if you are a female attracted to other females, wherever you are in the world, wherever you come from, we want to hear from you.

We believe you.

- LesbianMeToo

lesbianmetoo.com/

IheartJKR · 19/05/2021 08:30

I can’t even read it.

So sick of being lectured to as if I’m not capable of critical thinking.

I guess theres the possibility, however small, that one day we just might just learn to LISTEN TO THE PENIS PEOPLE

GlassBoxSpectacular · 19/05/2021 08:31

You're right. The OP should have gone to pistonheads instead. Or maybe datalounge

That would be popcorn-worthy.

Did you see Datalounge’s response to a transman who had been booted out of a gay sauna and was complaining about discrimination? It was wonderful.

Turns out gay men have the same degree of sexual interest as regards vaginas as lesbians do as regards penises.

Funnily enough, datalounge tends not to attract the same castigations of transphobia or extortions to #bekind.

I wonder why? 🤔

DrSbaitso · 19/05/2021 08:36

@GlassBoxSpectacular

You're right. The OP should have gone to pistonheads instead. Or maybe datalounge

That would be popcorn-worthy.

Did you see Datalounge’s response to a transman who had been booted out of a gay sauna and was complaining about discrimination? It was wonderful.

Turns out gay men have the same degree of sexual interest as regards vaginas as lesbians do as regards penises.

Funnily enough, datalounge tends not to attract the same castigations of transphobia or extortions to #bekind.

I wonder why? 🤔

It's an absolute mystery. I just can't imagine what the difference must be.

Do you have a link to that Datalounge thread?

NoLeafClover · 19/05/2021 08:40

@HeadIsFucked fucking bravo. Brilliantly said. Just, yes, to all of it.

DrSbaitso · 19/05/2021 08:41

It's ok, I found it.

www.datalounge.com/thread/22392276-trans-man-kicked-out-of-london-gay-sauna-for-not-having-a-penis

OP and other noble knights in this good fight, you will be going over there to exhort the user base there to be accepting and kind, right? Right?

lifeturnsonadime · 19/05/2021 08:50

DrSbaitso blimey, they don't hold back on that thread do they!

I agree perhaps OP should go over there with her 'be kind' message.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 19/05/2021 08:55

Oh my lord. That thread. There was a man posting who got deceived into having sex with a natal female and realised it wasn't a man part way through.

That's horrific.

PronounssheRa · 19/05/2021 09:11

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Oh my lord. That thread. There was a man posting who got deceived into having sex with a natal female and realised it wasn't a man part way through.

That's horrific.

Stonewall have an interesting take on this. For them a trans person's right to privacy is more important than another person's right to informed consent
A message from a trans friend. International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia .....
Imasoulman · 19/05/2021 09:18

@BillyTodd

You need to understand that there is a fundamental difference between Eddie Izzard etc and people who desperately need to transition.

I understand that, or at least I try to.

One thing I struggle with is that some people are campaigning to allow the Eddie Izzard type of trans women the same rights as gender dysphoric, have been in therapy for years, are desperately unhappy and go though full medical transition types of trans women. and that's not okay with me.

As as aside I do recognise that some of the comments on this thread and on mumsnet in general must feel terribly hurtful to read, if you identify as (or are) in the same group as the people being talked about. I'm sorry that that's your experience. Everybody deserves basic human dignity Flowers ( even those who I disagree with Wink )

Thank you, I appreciate your comment

TheVampiresWife · 19/05/2021 09:19

@Thisisworsethananticpated

Not the right website to Share this OP

Sadly

Would you like to comment on the experience of my daughter, which I posted upthread? Does that warrant a 'sadly' from you too?

To all of you who have called it out for what it is - abuse - you're absolutely right. What's strange is that so many of the exact people who support coercive rape also claim to be all about body autonomy. Unless you're a teenage girl who doesn't want to have sex with a penis, but feel you have no choice if you don't want to be judged/bullied/ostracised, of course.