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A message from a trans friend. International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia .....

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Biber · 18/05/2021 09:59

Apparently today is the International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia...

I shall do my part, so here are a few things that might help others to understand better.

Everyone has to go to the toilet at some point. I think even for many non-trans people, public toilets are often only used as a last resort (has anyone ever actually been inside a "nice" public toilet?). This is also the case for trans people. No one uses them unless the really have to. Trans people aren't thinking about what's down there on other people or anything like that (only perverts are). Trans people just want to avoid making a stinking mess in their underwear, without having to prove what they themselves have (or haven't got) down there (i.e. some dignity would be nice). No one should feel uncomfortable doing their business and everyone is entitled to privacy. That applies to both trans and non-trans people. If someone does make you feel uncomfortable through their actions (not by how they dress or present themselves), then you should do something about it, because you in fact are likely not the only one who will be uncomfortable.
In short, why aren't all public toilets individual and completely private? Do spare a thought for those of us with more generalised anxiety disorders...

There are some people who are quite happy to include trans people once they have fully transitioned, i.e. undergone surgery. That's great, we just need to tell our doctors and the trust who is going to fund the surgery and the surgeons and the hospital where we will be having the surgery that they all need to bloody well hurry up so that we can have the surgery and be finally be included. Don't they realise that if we have to wait another year, we are going to continue to be excluded? That some people will still deny us the right to use certain facilities (the loo in some cases)? Forget the fact that it would be great to have the surgery as soon as possible so that we can be comfortable with ourselves and get on with our lives... So, trans people are being "temporarily excluded" because they cannot speed up a system (that they themselves so badly want to speed up), which is already under-resourced and overwhelmed saving people's lives.
Oh, and btw, trans people are aware that it isn't the surgery that finally makes them the other sex/gender. They know they are more likely to see a properly funded and resourced NHS under the Tories than they are to ever have children once they have had the surgery; that it's all a sort of compromise/this is the best that can be done with your body. But until or unless huge advances are made in medicine and surgery, this is the best that can be achieved for now. Well, it is better than nothing. After all, it hasn't even been 100 years yet since the first sex reassignment surgery was performed.

Of course, that is assuming all transgender people can have surgery, or even want surgery. As surprising as it may sound, transgender people come in all sorts - old and young, short and tall, all sorts of ethnicities, cool, boring, fun, smart, stupid... Oh, and they also differ in terms of their gender identities and presentation (the clue is after all in the term). Some of them might just not be very conventional in terms of their presentation and behaviour, have no interest in taking hormones, and definitely do not want surgery. Others will go all the way and do it so well that you will doubt they are telling the truth about them being trans, even as they shove a copy of their birth certificate and their baby pictures in your face. A lot of people are somewhere inbetween. One does have to wonder how a single term can be used to describe such a diverse range of people! With that in mind, I propose we rename it to "gender-diverse" (like "neuro-diverse"), because "diverse" seems like such a good word at the moment, right?

Trans people exist. Always have, always will. Everywhere. If you have a friend who is trans and is happy to speak to you about it and answer any questions you have, then do speak to them about it. This is important. Why? Because not all trans people are so happy or willing to talk about it. Why? Because how many times do you have to explain the same things over and over again to people who will, despite their best intentions, never really get it? To a society that at present, partly excludes you at best, and at worst tries to kill you. A society where your rights and existence are denied, where people don't believe you, and you spend a long time waiting in uncertainty. Speaking of uncertainty, trans people have one thing to thank covid-19 for: every single person in the world now knows what it is like to have their live on hold for a long period of time, faced with uncertainties in a situation far beyond their control, in a system that is not prepared to deal with them. Now you all have an understanding of what it is like emotionally to be trans (though without the gender bit), and I'm sorry because I would not have wished that even on my worst enemies (ok, well maybe for a few weeks at most for the worst of the worst).

And with that, I bid you all a happy International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia!

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Helleofabore · 18/05/2021 15:04

And we still have not seen any of the statistical evidence to assure us that we are as safe from males who have transitioned as we are from females.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/05/2021 15:05

That comment of yours is straight out of the Crow laws.

And your comments are straight out of Mao's China.

Eyesofdisarray · 18/05/2021 15:05

@Cocolapew 💐
@ElphabaTWitch 👍👍

Naunet · 18/05/2021 15:05

My empathy has limits, too. No bigotry or intolerance. That's why I'm a trans ally, amongst other things. I'm glad you don't give in to bullies. You won't allow a trans person to be bullied in your presence, then, will you. Excellent. Otherwise, you'd be a bigot and a hypocrite

Great, so presumably you don’t prioritise the wants and demands of those special ladies with a dick over biological women, right? And you won’t allow women to be bullied by TRAs just because they want to keep their hard won single sex spaces, right? Because otherwise, you’d be a bigot and a hypocrite.

Imasoulman · 18/05/2021 15:06

@CuriousaboutSamphire

" it could be argued that Trans people have mental health issues and are therefore disabled "

@Imasoulman you might need to learn to read things more honestly. That doesn't say what you claim it does.

Hmmm, yes I think it actually doe's

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 18/05/2021 15:06

Homophobia and biphobia do not have anything to do with transphobia.

In fact, some might say that the current pro-trans trend is, in itself, both homophobic and biphobic.

But basically homophobia and biphobia are about people's sexual orientation, which has fuck all to do with their "gender identity" and therefore they should not be linked with transphobia, ever.

Eyesofdisarray · 18/05/2021 15:07

And yours @Naunet 👏

youvegottenminuteslynn · 18/05/2021 15:07

My empathy has limits, too. No bigotry or intolerance.

I hope you were therefore vocal in your disgust at the TRAs on Twitter who told JKR to 'choke on my lady dock' and similarly vile things?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 18/05/2021 15:08

@youvegottenminuteslynn

My empathy has limits, too. No bigotry or intolerance.

I hope you were therefore vocal in your disgust at the TRAs on Twitter who told JKR to 'choke on my lady dock' and similarly vile things?

Lady dick, obviously. Even autocorrect thinks it's a nonsensical phrase!
Helleofabore · 18/05/2021 15:11

[quote MmeLaraque]@Hoppinggreen:

Yes, I am old and bolshy enough to challenge anyone who makes me feel uncomfortable in a place they shouldn’t be.

Really? So who have you decided is in a place they shouldn't be? That comment of yours is straight out of the Crow laws.

16 year old DD not so much, so my concern is for her and her generation- despite the fact that wanting to protect them means they think i am a Transphobe

Your comments there make you sound like a transphobe. I wonder if your daughter has trans friends she prefers to protect against your bigotry and vitriol. Poor kid.[/quote]
Didn't you just post The ignorance and bigotry demonstrated thus far by anti-trans posters is a really sad reflection of the MN community.?

I think you have confirmed just who is the ignorant posters on this thread.

MmeLaraque · 18/05/2021 15:12

@Ereshkigalangcleg

That comment of yours is straight out of the Crow laws.

And your comments are straight out of Mao's China.

The ignorance and bigotry and intolerance in MN and this thread in particular, are truly disgraceful. Mind, this is the same community where so many people refuse to distance/mask up/follow covid rules, so it doesn't surprise me one bit.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 18/05/2021 15:12

Hmmm, yes I think it actually doe's You may be alone in that. It patently does not, even when separated fromt the rest of the post it was initially in!

But you crack on. You are only making clear how far you will go to misrepresent someone!

Erikrie · 18/05/2021 15:12

Yes, I am old and bolshy enough to challenge anyone who makes me feel uncomfortable in a place they shouldn’t be.

Maybe you are. But having been punched in the face (twice) for challenging a male, you might understand my reticence for not wanting to do so. Being old and bolshy is one thing. Fighting back against male violence is quite another. I assume that you haven't had that experience. Because being bolshy will not protect you from harm.

Erikrie · 18/05/2021 15:14

Mind, this is the same community where so many people refuse to distance/mask up/follow covid rules, so it doesn't surprise me one bit

It's not a community nor a hive mind. Just a large percentage of women representative of the overall population.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 18/05/2021 15:14

Oooh! @MmeLaraque Such a broad brush you are wielding!

midgedude · 18/05/2021 15:15

Will the op be trying to get in with post 1000?

Helleofabore · 18/05/2021 15:16

Mind, this is the same community where so many people refuse to distance/mask up/follow covid rules, so it doesn't surprise me one bit.

Oh dear.... that IS a far reach.

ThewaterlilliesofGiverny · 18/05/2021 15:16

Ok so my comment was based on what my friend said over 25 years ago when trans versus women’s issues weren’t so contentious.

She would go nightclubbing with her trans friend who would be wearing womens’s clothing. If her friend needed to go to the loo she would stand outside the cubicle chatting and gently warn anyone else coming into the ladies, that her trans friend was in the cubicle.

I have to admit I’ve felt a bit uncomfortable when men have brought young female children into say swimming pool changing rooms to get changed, in places where there are segregated changing facilities, but then I think well he can’t take that young child into a men’s changing room or men’s toilet as it isn’t fair on the child.

Naunet · 18/05/2021 15:17

The ignorance and bigotry and intolerance in MN and this thread in particular, are truly disgraceful

I agree, the most ignorant comment I’ve seen being the suggestion that people with penises are no more likely to be a risk to women, than other women are.
I mean how ignorant can someone be about reality these days?

midgedude · 18/05/2021 15:18

Oh and as ever , MNHQ hate transphobia, so just report if you need to

Definately · 18/05/2021 15:18

OP that was a nicely written and thoughtful post. But my objection to the eradication of single sex spaces is about the safety of women and children; it just isn't about trans people at all. Good luck to trans people in getting themselves a public toilet to use or a changing room to go into that suits them, I certainly won't campaign against third spaces. But my fight is for women and for children and I will always centre them before any other group.

LargeYorkshirePuddingAndGravy · 18/05/2021 15:19

Why are homophobia and biphobia being lumped together with transphobia?

HighPressureDays · 18/05/2021 15:20

A lot of these threads I have read want people to use the appropriate toilet based on their sex. Others don't want anyone with a penis in the women's toilets.

Surely there is a confliction in these statements as transmen who have had surgery would have a penis but according to their sex should use the women's toilet? I'm not sure many women would be happy with this and how you would even 'prove' which toilet they should be using.

Or is the general consensus that only transmen/women who have had surgery can use the male/female toilet?

Imasoulman · 18/05/2021 15:20

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Hmmm, yes I think it actually doe's You may be alone in that. It patently does not, even when separated fromt the rest of the post it was initially in!

But you crack on. You are only making clear how far you will go to misrepresent someone!

" it could be argued that Trans people have mental health issues and are therefore disabled "

How else can that possibly be read??

dollyknocker · 18/05/2021 15:20

The trans hatred on this forum horrifies me. Thank you for sharing this, it is well written and thought provoking.