Discussing Palestinian Oppression part 2

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Just starting another thread as the other one is full.

Please keep talking about Palestinian occupation and oppression.

Please follow Palestinian support groups like Friends of Al Aqsa and Mohammed el Kurd (an amazing Sheikh Jarrah citizen) on Twitter and Insta to get info from the ground. This will take you to other sources of infor coming out of Palestine.

Please keep Palestine part of the conversation and on social media so it’s not forgotten about.

Supporting Palestine is not anti Semitic
Criticising Israel is not anti Semitic.

As an aside I have not once seen the previous thread in active after page 1.
So MN have let the thread stand after numerous complaints of censorship but still odd that it never came up as active.

Israeli forces killed 17-year-old Obaida Jawabreh today in Al-Arroub refugee camp in the southern West Bank.

Obaida was the subject of a
@DCIPalestine
short film with the same name released in 2019.

RIP Obaida.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=JjAsFhYOwGc&feature=youtu.be

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcue-exGLXs

m.youtube.com/watch?v=PkQ4HZAepYc

m.youtube.com/watch?v=9xiDyJCL-_o

John Oliver

www.trtworld.com/magazine/what-is-nakba-the-day-when-palestine-s-ethnic-cleansing-began-explained-46728

Nakba

@StoneofDestiny Human Rights Watch is a biased and anti semitic organisation according to some posters here

Yes, I'm sure Amnesty International, UNICEF, Save The Children and the United Nations are too - and all the Mumsnet posters who post anything critical of The Israeli Government.

It's a cheap desperate shot - and as I've said before, I'm glad some of the posters on here have only words to fire about randomly and nothing more destructive.

Remember this is a thread for the discussion of Palestinian oppression which is not a debate it is fact.
Anyone who can deny that demolishing the homes and schools of children living in Palestine which is happening ALL THE TIME ILLEGALLY does not count as oppression has no humanity, no compassion and no purpose for being here other than to encourage dehumanisation of the Palestinian people

*It's a cheap desperate shot - and as I've said before, I'm glad some of the posters on here have only words to fire about randomly and nothing more destructive.

Remember this is a thread for the discussion of Palestinian oppression which is not a debate it is fact.*

You are bring unreasonable and authoritarian. People will make their own minds up regardless of you dictating and making accusations about posters with views you don’t like. Very few people have commented anyway

You are bring unreasonable and authoritarian. People will make their own minds up regardless of you dictating and making accusations about posters with views you don’t like. Very few people have commented anyway

She isn’t.
This is an international law violation and human rights violation as declared by international organisations that represent the international community.

If you don’t agree with them, then you might not share the same objective morality as the rest of the international community.

Alternatively, please provide a source of objective morality and international code of conduct that you see fitting with your moral code? And then we can dispute that.

If amnesty and human rights watch are biased, so much so that you don’t recognise their condemnations.. then provide with an alternative for us to dispute that?

But the conversation is absolutely going to stick to the FACT that Palestinians are having their human rights violated according to the international community. And denying that without solid proof is offensive.

It’s the truth - deal with it

*Would love to see people even begin to justify this in the name of ‘Israel being allowed to defend itself’

From what? Educated Palestinians?*

Perhaps from this UK foreign aid funded brainwashing? It was linked to above by someone else but I am reposting it here. I would urge everyone to read it to see what our money is being spent on and why it's impossible to only blame Israel for ensuring there will never be peace

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2020-03-10/debates/C9D591A4-1B68-4D6B-8AD3-5BBC90398051/PalestinianSchoolCurriculumRadicalisation

Zionist pioneers made the desert bloom, and Palestinian olive groves are world renowned.

You lost me at this. Palestine was never a desert.

Someone who has a truth to share wouldn’t need to exploit the geographic ignorance of the international community.

They can simply just talk facts, and quit the poetry.

What do you want Israel to do? Ignore rockets and mortars aimed at their civilians?

What do you want Israel to do? Ignore rockets and mortars aimed at their civilians?

I can answer you, after you answer me. Because this is how the timeline goes:

What do you want the Palestinians to do about human rights violations and international law violations, in a city that hasn’t yet fired a single rocket into Israel?

Who is defending their rights?

What’s Israel defending itself form in the West Bank?! Tell me precisely.

Because I only have conversations with people who recognise my human rights and me being an equal in humanity. This might be an easy step to start talking.

Plus, you are welcome to start your own thread about how to support the civilian rights of Israelis against violations of human rights against them.

You have my full compassion to do that.

But to do this, as a way to justify or explain the violations against Palestinians is inhumane. In excusable. And not tolerable.

I can answer you, after you answer me

I asked first

What do you want Israel to do? Ignore rockets and mortars aimed at their civilians?

Plus, you are welcome to start your own thread about how to support the civilian rights of Israelis against violations of human rights against them

That’s not how mumsnet (especially AiBU) and free speech in the UK works

No no no. First, look that child in the eye. And declare him as a human being with rights. And that it needs to be protected.

And then, only then, we discuss the other topics of lesser priority.

No i don’t trust your narrative - you’re not in charge here

Ikeasucks

I’m not asking you to trust me.
Anyone trusting anyone online needs help.

We can agree that we both don’t trust each other’s narratives.

That’s a good start.

So, which international organisations do you think are trustworthy? When it comes to human rights and international law?

Surely, there must be someone you trust other than yourself? That is not directly involved in the conflict and has stakes in it?

Who is that? I’m happy to engage in a debate about human rights and international law based on an international organisation of your suggestion.

Go on.

Your first resort was to call me and anyone who didn’t see the situation as you saw it - a fascist

You are dishonest and don’t come in good faith

Your first resort was to call me and anyone who didn’t see the situation as you saw it - a fascist

People can have different perspective about situations. About history. About politics. About religion. That’s fine.

But there is no different perspective about human rights violations as declared by a unified moral code. That’s not acceptable. That is someone with a questionable humanity.

And why would I want to discuss my human rights with someone with questionable humanity?

I answered your question about how the Palestinians should react - everyone just ignored me. An immediate cessation of terrorist activity directed at civilians followed by continued protest petitioning of the international community (who have much sympathy for their cause) for a two-state solution. Just like Sinn Fein eventually did. Just as other freedom movements across the world have managed to do before achieving their aim. Just as the PLO briefly did in the 1990s - and it worked, it got us to the Oslo Accords, up until it all stopped working again. ‘Freedom movements’ that send suicide bombers into civilian areas tend not to receive the wholehearted backing of the international community, funnily enough.

Yet still no-one has answered the question about how Israel should defend itself. Because the genuine answer is that most of the posters on this thread don’t believe in Israel’s right to exist. Nor do they have any clue how a state can defend itself against Hamas in Gaza whilst avoiding civilian targets.

I would hope everyone on this thread agrees that what is being done to the people of Gaza is a monstrous injustice - we just don’t all agree that 100 % of the blame lies with Israel.