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Discussing Palestinian Oppression part 2

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Faffandahalf · 16/05/2021 09:28

Just starting another thread as the other one is full.

Please keep talking about Palestinian occupation and oppression.

Please follow Palestinian support groups like Friends of Al Aqsa and Mohammed el Kurd (an amazing Sheikh Jarrah citizen) on Twitter and Insta to get info from the ground. This will take you to other sources of infor coming out of Palestine.

Please keep Palestine part of the conversation and on social media so it’s not forgotten about.

Supporting Palestine is not anti Semitic
Criticising Israel is not anti Semitic.

As an aside I have not once seen the previous thread in active after page 1.
So MN have let the thread stand after numerous complaints of censorship but still odd that it never came up as active.

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Menoismymate · 17/05/2021 22:52

BBC ‘ More than 212 people, including 61 children, have died in Gaza, and 10, including two children, in Israel.’

That’s 63 children dead. 63. 61 of them in Gaza.
What will it take for Netanyahu to agree to discuss a ceasefire?

Faffandahalf · 17/05/2021 22:52

m.youtube.com/watch?v=WnAJ89tW0LA

This is by Jewish voice for Peace. Good video for kids

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MaxNormal · 17/05/2021 22:52

You'd have to ask them

I'd have to ask who? The Palestinians? I'd imagine they have rather more pressing things to worry about now than the actions of some British twats, what with trying to to die, and having no running water.

StoneofDestiny · 17/05/2021 22:54

UNICEF
NEW YORK, 16 MAY 2021 – “As the latest serious escalation in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict hits one week, and as the Security Council meets today to discuss the latest development on the ground, I renew my call for an immediate end to the violence.

“Over the past week, at least 55 children in the State of Palestine and 2 children in Israel have been killed. Fear and destruction are mounting on both sides

“In Gaza, schools have been destroyed, homes and offices have been flattened, and entire families have been displaced.“In Israel, schools, homes and buildings have also been damaged

“Violence, killing and hatred must stop. International human rights and humanitarian law must be upheld. Civilians and civilian infrastructure must be protected.“The only solution is a diplomatic solution – for the sake of all children and their future.”

Faffandahalf · 17/05/2021 22:56

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.trtworld.com/magazine/big-tech-s-complicity-in-censoring-palestinians-46684/amp

More on censorship of Palestinian support across social media.

But sure it’s all in our heads Hmm

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Flaxmeadow · 17/05/2021 22:56

I'd have to ask who? The Palestinians?

The Pakistanis, but yes them as well

I'd imagine they have rather more pressing things to worry about now than the actions of some British twats, what with trying to to die, and having no running water.

Yes, women and children in particular, I agree

Faffandahalf · 17/05/2021 22:59

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.trtworld.com/magazine/big-tech-s-complicity-in-censoring-palestinians-46684/amp

Being arrested for the crime of speaking out in the media about your own ethnic cleansing from your own home in your own neighbourhood.

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StoneofDestiny · 17/05/2021 23:02

Note the dates even before the current situation. Look at the destruction of schools

More than 500 children were displaced in the West Bank and East Jerusalem in 2020 as over 5,200 expect their schools to be knocked down

Ramallah, 3 February - Over 840 structures in the West Bank have been torn down or seized by Israeli authorities in 2020, forcing at least 518 children and their families from their homes, Save the Children said today. This makes 2020 the worst year since 2016 for displaced Palestinian children in the West Bank.

Demolitions across the occupied territory have impacted more than 2,600 children in total. Families have lost homes and livelihoods, forcing them to seek shelter with friends or extended family, and to look for other means of income and build a new life. Their situation has been exacerbated by the economic impact of COVID-19 pandemic, Save the Children said.

The demolitions have disrupted every aspect of children’s lives over the past twelve months: their homes have been razed to the ground; vital infrastructure such as water and sanitation facilities have been destroyed; and schools are under a constant threat of demolition.

Between January and December, Israeli authorities demolished hundreds of structures including farming structures, tents, and caravans, driving some 1,000 people from their homes. In November alone, 73 people, including 41 children, were displaced after the largest demolition incident in four years.

Despite a promise by Israeli authorities to halt the demolition of homes during the COVID-19 outbreak, destruction continued. A halt on the demolition of inhabited homes in East Jerusalem announced on 1 October also did not hold, when the Israeli authorities tore down the home of a family of five in Sur Bahir in November.

Fareed*, who is in the fifth grade and lives in an agricultural community in the West Bank, constantly fears attacks on his home. He said, “We can’t leave our homes in the evenings, and can only stay close to home during the day. There’s a settlement nearby and on the main road the army and settlers are always coming and going. They gave demolition notices to a lot of the people living here. I felt ill and became tired [about that].”

In addition to children having lost their homes in 2020, there are currently 53 schools facing the risk of demolition across the West Bank and East Jerusalem. An estimated 5,250 children are at constant risk of seeing their school destroyed and losing out on an education, Save the Children said.

Only recently, a school with 50 children from two communities in Hebron received a demolition order with only 97 hours to appeal. The Umm Qussa school now faces the prospect of demolition if the Israeli Civil Administration goes ahead with the order.

Earlier in 2020, Israeli authorities dismantled a school under construction just south of Hebron.[3] Similar steps were taken in several other cases, including the confiscation of building material for the Ras Al Tin school in a Bedouin community east of Ramallah, allegedly for lacking building permits.

Diala* is in the sixth grade. She’s afraid that she might not be able to go to school anymore because of the military presence in her village: “Every day the Israeli army comes to the town. The other day, they came wanting to demolish our school, and I started to get scared.

“My hope is to become a teacher, but there aren’t many teachers here [without the school] so I’m afraid I won’t be able to become one.”

According to the UN, forced evictions as a result of demolitions are a key factor in the creation of a coercive environment and have a negative impact on human rights.[4]

Jason Lee, Save the Children’s Country Director in the occupied Palestinian territory, said, “The ongoing demolitions are making children and their families homeless, and they are leaving vital infrastructure in the West Bank in shambles. Children are paying the highest price. Tearing down a house, a school or other vital infrastructure, especially during a pandemic, destroys their right to an education, to have a home. It targets their future, their health, their safety and well-being.

“As an occupying power, Israel has the duty to protect the rights of children. We urge the Government of Israel to tear up all existing demolition orders for schools, homes and vital infrastructure, in line with its international obligations. Failing to do so will leave more children without a home or an education, adding to the impact the pandemic is already having on their lives.”

A representative of the Education Cluster, in which different organisations work together in the field of Education, said: “Schools are a lifeline for children and their families, particularly in the most vulnerable areas of the West Bank. Schools should never be a target. Should the demolition of these schools occur, it would be a major setback for these children that will be very hard to overcome. It would deprive children of an education and a chance of normality in a context where it’s most needed.”

GoingOnABarHunt · 17/05/2021 23:04

The State of Israel’s Official Twitter account has tweeted this thread:

mobile.twitter.com/Israel/status/1394321792844640269

I’ve looked through many replies as I thought it was a parody account... but no, seems like it’s the genuine account Shock

Faffandahalf · 17/05/2021 23:05

@StoneofDestiny

Note the dates even before the current situation. Look at the destruction of schools

More than 500 children were displaced in the West Bank and East Jerusalem in 2020 as over 5,200 expect their schools to be knocked down

Ramallah, 3 February - Over 840 structures in the West Bank have been torn down or seized by Israeli authorities in 2020, forcing at least 518 children and their families from their homes, Save the Children said today. This makes 2020 the worst year since 2016 for displaced Palestinian children in the West Bank.

Demolitions across the occupied territory have impacted more than 2,600 children in total. Families have lost homes and livelihoods, forcing them to seek shelter with friends or extended family, and to look for other means of income and build a new life. Their situation has been exacerbated by the economic impact of COVID-19 pandemic, Save the Children said.

The demolitions have disrupted every aspect of children’s lives over the past twelve months: their homes have been razed to the ground; vital infrastructure such as water and sanitation facilities have been destroyed; and schools are under a constant threat of demolition.

Between January and December, Israeli authorities demolished hundreds of structures including farming structures, tents, and caravans, driving some 1,000 people from their homes. In November alone, 73 people, including 41 children, were displaced after the largest demolition incident in four years.

Despite a promise by Israeli authorities to halt the demolition of homes during the COVID-19 outbreak, destruction continued. A halt on the demolition of inhabited homes in East Jerusalem announced on 1 October also did not hold, when the Israeli authorities tore down the home of a family of five in Sur Bahir in November.

Fareed*, who is in the fifth grade and lives in an agricultural community in the West Bank, constantly fears attacks on his home. He said, “We can’t leave our homes in the evenings, and can only stay close to home during the day. There’s a settlement nearby and on the main road the army and settlers are always coming and going. They gave demolition notices to a lot of the people living here. I felt ill and became tired [about that].”

In addition to children having lost their homes in 2020, there are currently 53 schools facing the risk of demolition across the West Bank and East Jerusalem. An estimated 5,250 children are at constant risk of seeing their school destroyed and losing out on an education, Save the Children said.

Only recently, a school with 50 children from two communities in Hebron received a demolition order with only 97 hours to appeal. The Umm Qussa school now faces the prospect of demolition if the Israeli Civil Administration goes ahead with the order.

Earlier in 2020, Israeli authorities dismantled a school under construction just south of Hebron.[3] Similar steps were taken in several other cases, including the confiscation of building material for the Ras Al Tin school in a Bedouin community east of Ramallah, allegedly for lacking building permits.

Diala* is in the sixth grade. She’s afraid that she might not be able to go to school anymore because of the military presence in her village: “Every day the Israeli army comes to the town. The other day, they came wanting to demolish our school, and I started to get scared.

“My hope is to become a teacher, but there aren’t many teachers here [without the school] so I’m afraid I won’t be able to become one.”

According to the UN, forced evictions as a result of demolitions are a key factor in the creation of a coercive environment and have a negative impact on human rights.[4]

Jason Lee, Save the Children’s Country Director in the occupied Palestinian territory, said, “The ongoing demolitions are making children and their families homeless, and they are leaving vital infrastructure in the West Bank in shambles. Children are paying the highest price. Tearing down a house, a school or other vital infrastructure, especially during a pandemic, destroys their right to an education, to have a home. It targets their future, their health, their safety and well-being.

“As an occupying power, Israel has the duty to protect the rights of children. We urge the Government of Israel to tear up all existing demolition orders for schools, homes and vital infrastructure, in line with its international obligations. Failing to do so will leave more children without a home or an education, adding to the impact the pandemic is already having on their lives.”

A representative of the Education Cluster, in which different organisations work together in the field of Education, said: “Schools are a lifeline for children and their families, particularly in the most vulnerable areas of the West Bank. Schools should never be a target. Should the demolition of these schools occur, it would be a major setback for these children that will be very hard to overcome. It would deprive children of an education and a chance of normality in a context where it’s most needed.”

Would love to see people even begin to justify this in the name of ‘Israel being allowed to defend itself’

From what? Educated Palestinians?

Despicable oppression, occupation and ethnic cleansing

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StoneofDestiny · 17/05/2021 23:08

It's indefensible on any level. These are charities reporting what they see on the ground. It's outrageous.
As I've said before, the greatest recruiting sergeant for Hamas is the actions of the Israeli Government.

Flaxmeadow · 17/05/2021 23:09

I’ve looked through many replies as I thought it was a parody account... but no, seems like it’s the genuine account

It's the amount rockets aimed at Israeli civilians

Faffandahalf · 17/05/2021 23:10

840 structures torn down in one year.

Schools being demolished. Refusal to allow
New school to be built. 53 schools at risk of being demolished

518 families thrown out of their homes for settlers.

Truly evil behaviour. How how how canyons justify this?

And then to say ‘oh well maybe they should just leave then?’ In the face of ethnic cleansing and inhumanity this is the callous response of posters on this thread.

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Faffandahalf · 17/05/2021 23:14

Yes it’s. rockets aimed at Israel.
Wonder if they’ll do 👶 for the number of Palestinian children they have killed

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Faffandahalf · 17/05/2021 23:15

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GoingOnABarHunt · 17/05/2021 23:15

@Flaxmeadow

I’ve looked through many replies as I thought it was a parody account... but no, seems like it’s the genuine account

It's the amount rockets aimed at Israeli civilians

Ah, so they’re just tweeting to confirm the Iron Dome really does have a 90% success rate.
Discussing Palestinian Oppression part 2
Faffandahalf · 17/05/2021 23:16

Each of those emojis is a dead Palestinian child.

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Faffandahalf · 17/05/2021 23:18

But remember folks just deal with it as numerous posters on here have suggested.
Move on and move on our. Dead kids is just not their problem. It’s not your land. So just die already or piss off that’s the gist on here

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Faffandahalf · 17/05/2021 23:20

@StoneofDestiny

Note the dates even before the current situation. Look at the destruction of schools

More than 500 children were displaced in the West Bank and East Jerusalem in 2020 as over 5,200 expect their schools to be knocked down

Ramallah, 3 February - Over 840 structures in the West Bank have been torn down or seized by Israeli authorities in 2020, forcing at least 518 children and their families from their homes, Save the Children said today. This makes 2020 the worst year since 2016 for displaced Palestinian children in the West Bank.

Demolitions across the occupied territory have impacted more than 2,600 children in total. Families have lost homes and livelihoods, forcing them to seek shelter with friends or extended family, and to look for other means of income and build a new life. Their situation has been exacerbated by the economic impact of COVID-19 pandemic, Save the Children said.

The demolitions have disrupted every aspect of children’s lives over the past twelve months: their homes have been razed to the ground; vital infrastructure such as water and sanitation facilities have been destroyed; and schools are under a constant threat of demolition.

Between January and December, Israeli authorities demolished hundreds of structures including farming structures, tents, and caravans, driving some 1,000 people from their homes. In November alone, 73 people, including 41 children, were displaced after the largest demolition incident in four years.

Despite a promise by Israeli authorities to halt the demolition of homes during the COVID-19 outbreak, destruction continued. A halt on the demolition of inhabited homes in East Jerusalem announced on 1 October also did not hold, when the Israeli authorities tore down the home of a family of five in Sur Bahir in November.

Fareed*, who is in the fifth grade and lives in an agricultural community in the West Bank, constantly fears attacks on his home. He said, “We can’t leave our homes in the evenings, and can only stay close to home during the day. There’s a settlement nearby and on the main road the army and settlers are always coming and going. They gave demolition notices to a lot of the people living here. I felt ill and became tired [about that].”

In addition to children having lost their homes in 2020, there are currently 53 schools facing the risk of demolition across the West Bank and East Jerusalem. An estimated 5,250 children are at constant risk of seeing their school destroyed and losing out on an education, Save the Children said.

Only recently, a school with 50 children from two communities in Hebron received a demolition order with only 97 hours to appeal. The Umm Qussa school now faces the prospect of demolition if the Israeli Civil Administration goes ahead with the order.

Earlier in 2020, Israeli authorities dismantled a school under construction just south of Hebron.[3] Similar steps were taken in several other cases, including the confiscation of building material for the Ras Al Tin school in a Bedouin community east of Ramallah, allegedly for lacking building permits.

Diala* is in the sixth grade. She’s afraid that she might not be able to go to school anymore because of the military presence in her village: “Every day the Israeli army comes to the town. The other day, they came wanting to demolish our school, and I started to get scared.

“My hope is to become a teacher, but there aren’t many teachers here [without the school] so I’m afraid I won’t be able to become one.”

According to the UN, forced evictions as a result of demolitions are a key factor in the creation of a coercive environment and have a negative impact on human rights.[4]

Jason Lee, Save the Children’s Country Director in the occupied Palestinian territory, said, “The ongoing demolitions are making children and their families homeless, and they are leaving vital infrastructure in the West Bank in shambles. Children are paying the highest price. Tearing down a house, a school or other vital infrastructure, especially during a pandemic, destroys their right to an education, to have a home. It targets their future, their health, their safety and well-being.

“As an occupying power, Israel has the duty to protect the rights of children. We urge the Government of Israel to tear up all existing demolition orders for schools, homes and vital infrastructure, in line with its international obligations. Failing to do so will leave more children without a home or an education, adding to the impact the pandemic is already having on their lives.”

A representative of the Education Cluster, in which different organisations work together in the field of Education, said: “Schools are a lifeline for children and their families, particularly in the most vulnerable areas of the West Bank. Schools should never be a target. Should the demolition of these schools occur, it would be a major setback for these children that will be very hard to overcome. It would deprive children of an education and a chance of normality in a context where it’s most needed.”

Nah I’m just going to keep reposting this and see how anyone can defend this.

There will be a lot of well this is terrible of course but Hamas blah blah blah.

No one can admit the actions of Israel are heinous and illegal and dehumanising and a form of ethnic cleansing.

And even if they could well so what 🤷🏽‍♀️ Is the solution

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DeepThinkingGirl · 17/05/2021 23:30

And there is a wave of very brave Israeli soldiers, who speak up for human rights violations even if it inconveniences them and causes them to go through difficulty.

Now, that is true compassion. That sort of compassion trumps all the hate and ends conflicts.

StoneofDestiny · 17/05/2021 23:32

This is from Human Rights Watch 2014. So the attacks on school by the Israeli Government are nothing new

(Jerusalem) – Three Israeli attacks that damaged Gaza schools housing displaced people caused numerous civilian casualties in violation of the laws of war, Human Rights Watch said today. In the first in-depth documentation of the violations, Human Rights Watch investigated the three attacks, which occurred on July 24 and 30, and August 3, 2014, and killed 45 people, including 17 children.

“The Israeli military carried out attacks on or near three well-marked schools where it knew hundreds of people were taking shelter, killing and wounding scores of civilians,” said Fred Abrahams, special adviser at Human Rights Watch. “Israel has offered no convincing explanation for these attacks on schools where people had gone for protection and the resulting carnage.”

Two of the three attacks Human Rights Watch investigated – in Beit Hanoun and Jabalya – did not appear to target a military objective or were otherwise unlawfully indiscriminate. The third attack in Rafah was unlawfully disproportionate if not otherwise indiscriminate. Unlawful attacks carried out willfully – that is, deliberately or recklessly – are war crimes.

The laws of war obligate Israel to investigate possible war crimes credibly and to punish those responsible appropriately.The Israeli military said that it has established a “Fact-Finding Assessments Committee” to “examine exceptional incidents” during the latest fighting, and that it had opened five criminal investigations, including apparently one into the July 24 attack discussed below. Israel has a long record of failing to undertake credible investigations into alleged war crimes, Human Rights Watch said.

In a briefing to media, the Israeli military showed photographs of what it said were rockets hidden in and fired from school compounds. None of the photographs were from the three UN-run schools that Human Rights Watch investigated where many civilians died.

eatbroccoli · 17/05/2021 23:38

People on here pick and choose op, it makes me feel sick writing this having to tell people why it's not ok to bomb civilians, why it's not ok to illegally occupy peoples land and commit ethnic cleansing. People will pick and choose who their victims are because they simply don't like the people out there. Those people are disposable to those who are still defending the ethnic cleansing the Israeli state is committing.

Muslim lives don't matter and that's a fact. People on here have daily reminders of their racist tabloids, their racist governments telling them. Their taxes get sent to terrorist organisations so their governments can create civil unrest, terrorism, sell arms and gain resources from these poor countries where their own governments have exploited these countries to the bones so that the people on these forums can sit comfortably in their safe homes and live off these exploitation and complain about first world problems on here. People are blind. People are stupid. Save your breath op, they will never see it and never accept it until it happens to them. They have never walked in their shoes.

There's plenty of information online, plenty of information in history showing what's happening but these ignorant, tone death and coward people won't ever see that and won't accept it. #FreePalestine 🇵🇸

CounsellorTroi · 17/05/2021 23:48

@StoneofDestiny Human Rights Watch is a biased and anti semitic organisation according to some posters here.

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