Discussing Palestinian Oppression part 2

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Just starting another thread as the other one is full.

Please keep talking about Palestinian occupation and oppression.

Please follow Palestinian support groups like Friends of Al Aqsa and Mohammed el Kurd (an amazing Sheikh Jarrah citizen) on Twitter and Insta to get info from the ground. This will take you to other sources of infor coming out of Palestine.

Please keep Palestine part of the conversation and on social media so it’s not forgotten about.

Supporting Palestine is not anti Semitic
Criticising Israel is not anti Semitic.

As an aside I have not once seen the previous thread in active after page 1.
So MN have let the thread stand after numerous complaints of censorship but still odd that it never came up as active.

@BFrazzled I really don’t think you understand the first thing about oppression and furthermore your post is incredibly insensitive to women who have been raped worldwide. In the UK alone, where woman have (supposedly) unbiased authorities to report to, only 1.7% of rapists are prosecuted - is that the fault of every woman for not posting about her rape online when it happens?

[quote joanneg36]@GoingOnABarHunt - and same to you. Do you have any, literally any, idea just how upsetting and offensive it is to tell a random Jewish woman from the UK that she is in the pay of the Israeli government? Reported.[/quote]
I haven’t? I said that there are paid students out there defending the actions of the Israeli government and provided a BBC source.

@Blackberrycream nope we’re not back to goodies and baddies, we were always at oppressed and oppressors.

@DeepThinkingGirl @GoingOnABarHunt I shared it upthread but I’m sharing again here the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism so you can see how problematic and offensive some of what you are saying on this thread is. It is perfectly possible to stand up for the rights of Palestinians without lapsing into offensive cliches about the ‘Jewish lobby’.

www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism

@GoingOnABarHunt and I’m sure many institutions and governments pay students (and others) to champion them on social media? How is this relevant to any posters on this thread, what they are saying or what we are discussing? Please please try to understand the sensitivity here.

[quote joanneg36]@GoingOnABarHunt - and same to you. Do you have any, literally any, idea just how upsetting and offensive it is to tell a random Jewish woman from the UK that she is in the pay of the Israeli government? Reported.[/quote]
Surely you didn’t try to insinuate it is antisemitic...
/sarcasm

@GoingOnABarHunt Why on earth would you assume that just because some people disagree with you, they are in the pay of the Israeli govt? It is literally not something anyone would say about any other global conflict and the reason it isn’t is because it’s a massive anti Semitic cliche.

joanneg36

@DeepThinkingGirl @GoingOnABarHunt I shared it upthread but I’m sharing again here the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism so you can see how problematic and offensive some of what you are saying on this thread is. It is perfectly possible to stand up for the rights of Palestinians without lapsing into offensive cliches about the ‘Jewish lobby’.

www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism

Absolutely no one has used the word Jewish lobby. We quoted a Bbc article, and made a generic mention of students being paid to suppress the voice of Palestinian campaigns on social media. And therefore, posters do need to keep in mind to not fall for it.

Quit pigeon holing. Israelis can be Arabs, Muslims and Christians and Jews and most often atheists. Being Jewish or not is between you and god. I’m here to talk about a government breaking human rights and international law, and raising awareness that it follows strategies on social platforms to suppress voices and distract any topic to do with tackling their human rights violations amongst international communities. As reported by the BBC.

I could report you for defaming the BBC if you’re stating theyre anti Semitic.

I hope the rest of us can use this opportunity to help mumsnet define talk guidelines on this topic to navigate this level of putting words in other peoples mouths in order to subvert attention .

@DeepThinkingGirl I am not saying that the BBC is lying, I am saying that you are accusing random Jewish posters on this thread of being paid by the Israeli government. If you can’t see that that this is anti-Semitic, British Jews are in even more trouble than I thought.

joanneg36

@GoingOnABarHunt Why on earth would you assume that just because some people disagree with you, they are in the pay of the Israeli govt? It is literally not something anyone would say about any other global conflict and the reason it isn’t is because it’s a massive anti Semitic cliche.

Actually? It’s claims I’ve also maid against the Saudi Arabian government, Egyptian government, Syrian government and every other dictatorship during the Arab uprise on Arab forums.

I’m not an islamophobe. I’m just not into nationalism and patriotic attitudes that are extreme to the level of blinding human rights accountability.

I wouldn’t assume someone specifically is the one being paid? But I’m aware of it being a phenomena. Regardless of faith. . And the best way to combat it, is usually to ensure that the thread stays on topic.

And right now is to expose the oppression Palestinians face, and therefore, raising awareness of how their voices are suppressed is entirely appropriate.

@DeepThinkingGirl

joanneg36

@GoingOnABarHunt Why on earth would you assume that just because some people disagree with you, they are in the pay of the Israeli govt? It is literally not something anyone would say about any other global conflict and the reason it isn’t is because it’s a massive anti Semitic cliche.

Actually? It’s claims I’ve also maid against the Saudi Arabian government, Egyptian government, Syrian government and every other dictatorship during the Arab uprise on Arab forums.

I’m not an islamophobe. I’m just not into nationalism and patriotic attitudes that are extreme to the level of blinding human rights accountability.

I wouldn’t assume someone specifically is the one being paid? But I’m aware of it being a phenomena. Regardless of faith. . And the best way to combat it, is usually to ensure that the thread stays on topic.

And right now is to expose the oppression Palestinians face, and therefore, raising awareness of how their voices are suppressed is entirely appropriate.

So agree with everything you say or it’s a bot. Absolutely fucking chilling.

What I really wish is that the Israeli government had grown out of taking Psalm 137:9 as instructional.

@Blackberrycream

DeepThinkingGirl didn’t say that, did she? Direct quote:

“I’m just not into nationalism and patriotic attitudes that are extreme to the level of blinding human rights accountability”

When it gets to a point where extensive human rights abuses are minimised or there are attempts to justify them, you do wonder whether all humanity has gone down the pan or if you’re talking to someone paid to defend abhorrent actions because sometimes you just don’t want to believe a human being is able of feeling so little empathy.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

What I really wish is that the Israeli government had grown out of taking Psalm 137:9 as instructional.

There is certainly some dehumanising going on on this thread.Anyone who doubts it should look at the above post.

Dehumanising? This thread is full of posts talking about Palestinians as if they’re disobedient animals!

And there you go, my post gets deleted. While every other post that has been minimising Abd mocking this human tragedy stands.

Thank you mumsnet, you demonstrate my point about why the world need more humanitarians speaking up because selective morality leads to loss of interest in upholding any of it.

@DeepThinkingGirl Your post got deleted because it was anti-semitism 101. You literally accused some random British Jews of being in the pay of the Israeli government.

@joanneg36 every time I see you on this thread you are trying to somehow make it about you.

And yes the Israeli government uses troll farms for sure. Not the only ones either.

@GoingOnABarHunt You have been on this thread for a while now - if there are any posts you think are Islamophobic, report them. There are certainly none from me.

I have said from the beginning that I support a Palestinian state alongside an Israeli one. And the response was that perhaps I, and other posters, were paid by Israel.

I wonder if any of those so keen on defending Israel would like to comment on the current civilian death rate?
Or too busy deflecting with accusations of anti-Semitism?

I wonder whether that was the same strategy? When my grandad and his entire narrative was omitted from history.. and silenced.

And then the world got the blanks of history filled up by the “only democratic country in the Middle East” and its narrative.

I wonder what he and the rest of Palestinians had to endure for 70 years, in order for such silence to remain in order to enable the blinding of international community.

Could you just, keep please demonstrating for me. How it all happened.

You are doing a grand job.