Discussing Palestinian Oppression part 2

[Faffandahalf]

Just starting another thread as the other one is full.

Please keep talking about Palestinian occupation and oppression.

Please follow Palestinian support groups like Friends of Al Aqsa and Mohammed el Kurd (an amazing Sheikh Jarrah citizen) on Twitter and Insta to get info from the ground. This will take you to other sources of infor coming out of Palestine.

Please keep Palestine part of the conversation and on social media so it’s not forgotten about.

Supporting Palestine is not anti Semitic
Criticising Israel is not anti Semitic.

As an aside I have not once seen the previous thread in active after page 1.
So MN have let the thread stand after numerous complaints of censorship but still odd that it never came up as active.

@BFrazzled

Where are the Palestinian women complaining of being raped by Israelis on Twitter?

Wtf This is sick.

@DeepThinkingGirl

“Disgusting” is using ordinary Gazans suffering as an argument in your ideological case against Israel instead of actually finding a way to help them.

No no. Rest assured. It’s not disgusting to use someone’s suffering to make their voices heard.

And the voices of every single Palestinian is to condemn Israel.

Every. Single. Child. Dying. And. Their. Bereaved. Parent. Wants. The. World. Condemning. Israel.

In your eyes it is not disgusting.

In my eyes it is.

You also don’t speak for every single Palestinian.

The map accurately depicts the land that has been forcibly taken from Palestinians since 1946, two years before Israel was established and the accompanying expulsion of between 750,000 and a million Palestinians to make way for a Jewish state.

During and immediately following the state's creation in 1948, Israel expropriated approximately 4,244,776 acres of Palestinian land. In the process, more than 400 Palestinian cities and towns were systematically destroyed by Israeli forces or repopulated with Jews.

Most Palestinian population centers, including homes, businesses, houses of worship, and vibrant urban centers, were demolished to prevent the return of their owners, now refugees outside of Israel's pre-1967 borders or internally displaced within them. (See here for interactive map of Palestinian population centers destroyed during Israel's creation.)

Israel’s systematic dispossession of Palestinians is ongoing today, both in the occupied territories and inside Israel’s internationally recognized pre-1967 borders, where Palestinian citizens of the state and those living under occupation continue to be pushed out of their homes and off their lands – including entire towns – to make way for Jewish citizens and settlers. Today, there are approximately 650,000 Jewish settlers living illegally on occupied Palestinian land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and Israel’s settlement enterprise covers approximately 42% of the West Bank.

@GoingOnABarHunt - good username but seriously, you had better not look too hard at JTwitter if you take it that literally.

Yes, there are lots of jokes about all the ridiculous things Jews are accused of, including baby murdering and Jewish space lasers.

No, Jewish Twitter users haven't actually murdered any babies and no, they don't actually have Jewish space lasers.

You must find life really tough if you take black humour that literally.

I can’t believe that a thread about the dispossession of the Palestinian people has come to the point where people can now just casually say well they just need to deal with it and go be refugees somewhere else and stop hassling the Israelis. They can just go live in the U.K. and the US. Why do they even want to stay in Gaza? This has happened now and they can’t do anything about it so stop whining Palestinians and off you fuck
That’s basically the attitude of some posters in these last few pages.
The dehumanisation these people and trivialisation of their suffering is so offensive.

@GoingOnABarHunt - sorry, think I confused your response to a previous poster with the previous poster!

Still a good username!

@Faffandahalf

I can’t believe that a thread about the dispossession of the Palestinian people has come to the point where people can now just casually say well they just need to deal with it and go be refugees somewhere else and stop hassling the Israelis. They can just go live in the U.K. and the US. Why do they even want to stay in Gaza? This has happened now and they can’t do anything about it so stop whining Palestinians and off you fuck That’s basically the attitude of some posters in these last few pages. The dehumanisation these people and trivialisation of their suffering is so offensive.

We are not trivializing Gazan’s suffering.

We want in fact to find real solutions for real people. The solution is to talk about how to end the real suffering and every single person who spends an hour reading about the conflict knows that the solution is not to reclaim the Palestinian lands lost in 1948.

Suffering doesn’t give one mandate to hurt others.

@Faffandahalf

I can’t believe that a thread about the dispossession of the Palestinian people has come to the point where people can now just casually say well they just need to deal with it and go be refugees somewhere else and stop hassling the Israelis. They can just go live in the U.K. and the US. Why do they even want to stay in Gaza? This has happened now and they can’t do anything about it so stop whining Palestinians and off you fuck That’s basically the attitude of some posters in these last few pages. The dehumanisation these people and trivialisation of their suffering is so offensive.

Swap the words Israelis and Palestinians in your post and that's exactly what you're saying.

You want the Israelis who live there to go away somewhere, away from the country that is legally theirs, and give up their homes to the Palestinians.

And then you are enough of a hypocrite to not even notice that you're doing this.

@anemona except it’s very obvious that Jews don’t have space lasers or frequently kill babies (so, erm, hilarious?) whereas IDF soldiers have been involved in a high number of rape enquiries. The fact that he could joke about it in such a blasé fashion says it all.

I would also like to ask the previous poster who tried to call me out why they are conflating IDF soldiers/the Israeli government with Judaism?

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline

A quick Google of hamas shoes them to be fundamentalaslist religious extremists.

Who were massively funded by Saudi who promotes that literature in schools about Jewish people.

So were hamas voted in, does Palestine have democracy?

It's seems to me as ever extremists ruin things for everyone, can hamas be voted out? When is Ben due to go?

Absolutely!

Suffering doesn’t give one mandate to hurt others

I’m glad your learning from my phrases on the other running thread about the Jewish lady who is suffering emotionally after the thugs starting calling for rape in London.

It got to you? That I think the rest of the posters are exploiting her suffering for an agenda that she didn’t affiliate herself with?

Yeh that’s not right.

But as for condemning Israel, and their violations of human rights.. that’s the agenda of every Palestinian suffering right now.

It’s the mission of every true human rights activist.

So try not to copy me out of context.

You need to change your username to ShallowThinkingGirl.

Sorry, but I am very real and don't take kindly to being accused of being a paid troll.

Maybe you're new here, but accusing fellow posters of bring trolls is against MN rules.

If you think that only pro-Palestinian voices are allowed on MN, you may have mistaken it for a Hamas propaganda channel. You may not be cut out for visits outside your echo chamber if you can't cope with the fact that not everyone agrees with you.

[quote GoingOnABarHunt]@anemona except it’s very obvious that Jews don’t have space lasers or frequently kill babies (so, erm, hilarious?) whereas IDF soldiers have been involved in a high number of rape enquiries. The fact that he could joke about it in such a blasé fashion says it all.

I would also like to ask the previous poster who tried to call me out why they are conflating IDF soldiers/the Israeli government with Judaism?[/quote]
Could you please substantiate this claim about IDF and rape?

I constantly come across accusations of Israeli soldier killing and harassing defenseless Palestinians (and some of these are true while some aren’t as with all media claims in this and other conflict)

I very rarely came across an accusation of rape...

[quote GoingOnABarHunt]@anemona except it’s very obvious that Jews don’t have space lasers or frequently kill babies (so, erm, hilarious?) whereas IDF soldiers have been involved in a high number of rape enquiries. The fact that he could joke about it in such a blasé fashion says it all.

I would also like to ask the previous poster who tried to call me out why they are conflating IDF soldiers/the Israeli government with Judaism?[/quote]
I'm really confused now.

You actually think that tweet was serious? You don't think the reference to following it up with drugs was a bit of a giveaway?

People who have actually just raped someone and taken drugs don't usually confess to it immediately on Twitter.

Also confused as you do appear to be the poster coming out with the weird stuff who lacks a black sense of humour.

OK.

The only thing we should do is try to expose them for the rest do the world to be convinced of what propaganda the Palestinian voice is up against

I do think it important to challenge the ignorance of indoctrinated people on here. Yes the 'The Israeli Government is taking your land, deal with it' hits a new low of stupidity and crassness.

If it lets one Palestinian know the injustice against them isn't going unnoticed that's a job well done.
It's important to confront the 'you are all anti- Semitic' brigade who want to shut down legitimate debate.
I imagine nothing that is said will get through to closed minds, but history will show it was said!

@DeepThinkingGirl

Suffering doesn’t give one mandate to hurt others

I’m glad your learning from my phrases on the other running thread about the Jewish lady who is suffering emotionally after the thugs starting calling for rape in London.

It got to you? That I think the rest of the posters are exploiting her suffering for an agenda that she didn’t affiliate herself with?

Yeh that’s not right.

But as for condemning Israel, and their violations of human rights.. that’s the agenda of every Palestinian suffering right now.

It’s the mission of every true human rights activist.

So try not to copy me out of context.

I am not on the “other thread”.

Do you actually think you coined this phrase? You must be very deluded.

We want in fact to find real solutions for real people. The solution is to talk about how to end the real suffering and every single person who spends an hour reading about the conflict knows that the solution is not to reclaim the Palestinian lands lost in 1948

Lands lost in 1948? It’s happening today. It’s an ever increasing occupation in suffocating blockades. The international community have recognised this is illegal but refuse to do anything about it. Turned the other cheek.

Further on this - suffering in my eyes had no agenda except being ended. And you don’t get to decide what is the agenda of another person’s suffering be it Palestinian or otherwise.

[quote Faffandahalf]@anemona
Your posts are so disingenuous and disgusting.
Palestinian land wasn’t just given to the Israelis in 1948 and that’s the end.
They have consistently and continuously been displaced for the last 70 years. It’s happening now right now.
The borders that were agreed upon mean nothing to the Israeli govt.
it’s not a question of ‘deal with it. It happened 70 years ago. Get over it and move’

ILLEGAL settlements continue to be built right now where Palestinians have been living for 70 years.
You seriously think that’s ok?? I mean wtf
People are constantly displaced from their homes to make way for Jewish settlements. It has been agreed that this is in fact a human rights violation and ILLEGAL and yet you don’t give a shit.

Your dumb BS about India and Pakistan (Im the granddaughter of Indians who were displaced during partition) is just to continually deflect from the oppression and displacement and ethnic cleansing that is occurring in 2021 not 70 years ago but right now.

If you were thrown out of your house today you damn well wouldn’t just roll over and go live on the streets.[/quote]
Actually, my family WERE thrown out of their house and lost every single they owned and yes, they did 'roll over' as you put it and begged to find any country that would take them in. And they were fucking glad to be alive because 6 million others were not so lucky.

Nowhere have I said I support the settlements, although you have leapt to that conclusion.

I also strongly support the existence of the State of Israel, however much you hate it.

Faffandahalf

I can’t believe that a thread about the dispossession of the Palestinian people has come to the point where people can now just casually say well they just need to deal with it and go be refugees somewhere else and stop hassling the Israelis. They can just go live in the U.K. and the US. Why do they even want to stay in Gaza?

The real prize was the suggestion the displaced Palestinians ought just to have moved to Gaza in the first place.

They would be so much better off there, wouldn't they.

Argh.