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My 16yo DS and his girlfriend (Part 3)

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workworkworkugh · 14/05/2021 22:24

Link to part 2:

My 16yo DS and his girlfriend (Part 2) http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4223467-my-16yo-ds-and-his-girlfriend-part-2

Someone recommended I start another thread. I was a bit hesitant to do so I will admit.
I truly thought this would have been over in January, but here we are Confused

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StaceysmomandIhavegotitgoinon · 19/10/2021 10:25

Batshit. She is batshit but the school should not be talking to her about him at all.

StoneMap · 19/10/2021 12:45

This is appalling and outrageous. Her recent message to you was absolutely disgusting, but this is up another level. Not sure what 'she wants the school to sort', but I wonder if this is a sign of her losing grip and crumbling. She controlled your DS by isolating him from his loved ones. Then a possibility that he may have to leave school and get a job/apprenticeship, which will inevitably be outside of her constant watch, wasn't part of her plan. She is probably unnerved by signs that your DS starting to see through her. A decent school would finally see the real picture, but the school's handling of the problem hasn't been below the expected standard. Hoping this nightmare ends soon...

DFOD · 19/10/2021 16:01

She might just be shooting herself in the foot right now with her delusional entitled boundary crossing.

The school should not be in correspondence with her and need pulling up on their (inadvertent?) collusion with an abusive relationship.

I would be accessing the senior management team for a breach of security / protocol. I would also be asking for a meeting around safeguarding - without your DS knowledge.

It’s time for the adults to get back in the room. I would prepare a document of a timeline of FACTs and incidents - outlining isolation and the corresponding deterioration in your DSs MH - alongside when this was brought to the school before.

You have already flagged your concerns - and they are now complicit in the situation by engaging in this correspondence.

They have made a serious error and failed in their duty of care to your DC here.

mumjustmum · 19/10/2021 20:56

EVERYTHING @DFOD said.
I wonder if the schools awful error could work in your favour as they will be more aware moving forwards (I know you told them but they have now done wrong too and will try to fix their error)

Unmerited · 19/10/2021 21:20

Is there a school counselor? Obviously her parents are not a helpful influence and you’re stuck from your side. I wonder if a separate trusted adult might be the way to go. Without it seeing to come from you.

FilthyforFirth · 19/10/2021 21:30

I think I would also let her parents know. This is a further example lf her inappropriate and batshit behaviour.

Imagine if a male sent that email about his gf? Do we think the school would copy him in to the response?

workworkworkugh · 19/10/2021 21:53

We're still waiting for the school to respond (it's only morning here).

There is a school counsellor, she was the one that suggested to me and DH that maybe the school should include the GF in discussions about DS future Confused

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Notimeforaname · 20/10/2021 00:22

Wow op, she really is obsessed with controlling everything!!

What was the email reply from the school like? Did they mention her in it, or were they just speaking to your son?
Is he in any way changing his mind about going back to school?

Unmerited · 20/10/2021 02:43

@workworkworkugh

We're still waiting for the school to respond (it's only morning here).

There is a school counsellor, she was the one that suggested to me and DH that maybe the school should include the GF in discussions about DS future Confused

Oh god, not her then!
workworkworkugh · 20/10/2021 10:16

So the school has contacted me and apologised profusely for what's happened.

I've spoken to the teacher that we've had the most contact with and who has been helping DS with a few other things (one part of the email was directed at her and was quite rude).
She has told me that she actually had a meeting with GF (before this email was sent) and did ask her a question about DS, apparently GF became hysterical and angry and basically said how dare the teacher even ask her anything to do with DS Confused

The teacher pointed out to me that she wondered if it was because she was another female/mother figure in DS life who he was turning to for support instead of GF and she's feeling threatened.
Spot on if you ask me. Probably why she targeted this teacher in the email.

The school is going to be speaking to GF about the email and the inappropriateness and also talk about boundaries.

She's starting to come undone and it's all her own doing. There's no one else to blame. She's scrambling to keep control. God help us all when she realises how much control she's losing.

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ForAFriend123 · 20/10/2021 10:35

@workworkworkugh

So the school has contacted me and apologised profusely for what's happened.

I've spoken to the teacher that we've had the most contact with and who has been helping DS with a few other things (one part of the email was directed at her and was quite rude).
She has told me that she actually had a meeting with GF (before this email was sent) and did ask her a question about DS, apparently GF became hysterical and angry and basically said how dare the teacher even ask her anything to do with DS Confused

The teacher pointed out to me that she wondered if it was because she was another female/mother figure in DS life who he was turning to for support instead of GF and she's feeling threatened.
Spot on if you ask me. Probably why she targeted this teacher in the email.

The school is going to be speaking to GF about the email and the inappropriateness and also talk about boundaries.

She's starting to come undone and it's all her own doing. There's no one else to blame. She's scrambling to keep control. God help us all when she realises how much control she's losing.

This is an excellent development @workworkworkugh. The more "outsiders" know what's going on and the more they call her out, the more she will become undone. DS can ignore what you are saying but it's becoming harder to block out what others (especially objective professionals) have to offer.

I have been following your story from the beginning and my heart goes out to you. As I've previously mentioned my DB is your DS in 20 years time if he stays with this very damaged girl.
He ended up marrying his GF after she systematically isolated him from his family.
Two children later he finally found the courage to leave (taking the DC with him). I had no idea just how horrendous the psychological and sometimes physical abuse was but always prayed he would one day put an end to it.
Wishing you all the very best

sillysmiles · 20/10/2021 10:44

While I sincerely hope your son gets free of her and gets his head and life back on straight, and that he eventually recognises his role in this. However, I feel sorry for her too. As a 16yr to be this ....unhinged? controlling? I'm not sure what the word is.

dapsnotplimsolls · 20/10/2021 13:13

I'm glad the school have responded positively and it's good to see that others are witnessing her unreasonable behaviour - makes it harder for her to push the line that you're the evil monster who hates her and is determined to make her life miserable.

DipItAgain · 20/10/2021 13:57

My word. I have been watching this from afar to date, but I am truly stunned that she emailed the school and they actually engaged with her. As another poster rightly pointed out, if it had been a boyfriend about a female pupil there is no way they'd have replied.

FrenchBoule · 20/10/2021 14:12

Good reply from the school OP.

I would still go the way @DFOD wrote.
Demand exclusion of school counsellor as she is NOT acting in your DS’s best interests and colluding with his abuser who happens to be his gf.
Your DS is at the verge of adolescence where decisions about future education/profession choice are being made. How the heck hysterical and abusive gf is going to help him to make right choice in life?
I can’t see ONE positive thing she brings to his life.

So sorry OP you have to deal with it.It’s every parent’s nighmare. Wishing you strength 💐

DFOD · 20/10/2021 16:37

@workworkworkugh

So the school has contacted me and apologised profusely for what's happened.

I've spoken to the teacher that we've had the most contact with and who has been helping DS with a few other things (one part of the email was directed at her and was quite rude).
She has told me that she actually had a meeting with GF (before this email was sent) and did ask her a question about DS, apparently GF became hysterical and angry and basically said how dare the teacher even ask her anything to do with DS Confused

The teacher pointed out to me that she wondered if it was because she was another female/mother figure in DS life who he was turning to for support instead of GF and she's feeling threatened.
Spot on if you ask me. Probably why she targeted this teacher in the email.

The school is going to be speaking to GF about the email and the inappropriateness and also talk about boundaries.

She's starting to come undone and it's all her own doing. There's no one else to blame. She's scrambling to keep control. God help us all when she realises how much control she's losing.

That’s not good enough from the school - an apology and talking to the GF about boundaries?

They are keeping this at a v low key level for their own self interest and not in the interests of your DS trapper in an emotionally abusive relationship.

This is a specific moment where if you escalate this by stealth you can potentially have a very significant shift in dynamics for your DS.

This needs to go to Sr Management - it’s a serious breach of protocol and a huge safeguarding risk. They are minimising it for their own ends. They need to call in safeguarding experts in on this - it’s above the pay grade of the class teacher and counsellor.

Your DS should never know that you are behind this but this blows open the whole dynamic to be exposed in another setting.

As PP have said this could give him the ladder to climb down to save face as it’s other “neutral” voices who could talk him.

They need to be involved to see the trajectory of how he has failed / stalled / regressed academically, socially, in sport, with family relationships through the abusive, controlling and isolating threats of this girl.

The school need to be fully aware of what he has endured and offer a safe and supportive space for him to find himself again.

Don’t go near the dysfunctional parents of the GF - they cannot see it - their permissive, unboundaried, indulgent, lazy parenting is what has enabled her entitled, deluded and malicious behaviours.

I think that you are v astute and correct that the flip out at the teacher is a pattern of feeling under threat from another female of influence - and that’s exactly why this needs escalating above this teacher to someone with skill and insight because the GF will do exactly as she has done before and alienate your DS from his teacher.

Keep calm. Escalate with facts.

lorca · 21/10/2021 09:20

DFOD is absolutely right - the school now need to be involved at a safeguarding level, not 'just' counselling.
The GF has now blown this open herself, by involving herself in between DS and the school - without the slightest authority. She can now be seen as overstepping and bullying, and should be treated as such.

I would expect the suitable 'authorities' (school, safeguarding, counselling and child protection services) to now need to be involved.

She has absolutely NO RIGHT to be treated as his mother/responsible adult, however much she want to be (to control him) - she's a child, and needs to be treated like one.

YOU, op as mother and responsible adult, need to escalate this as much as you possibly can - don't let this opportunity slip by.

CrisisManagement · 22/10/2021 05:54

I am gobsmacked at the audacity of this girl speaking to you like that. She really needs taking down a peg or two. And when that happens I hope you get to witness it OP.

I'm so sorry this is happening in your family. It must be enormously stressful. Sadly I think she is probably enjoying the drama.

CoraPirbright · 22/10/2021 08:58

DFOD has it spot on. Escalate all the way. This could be the hour of the GF’s undoing!! Then both your ds and she can get the help they need. It sounds almost like she is starting to unravel - goodness only knows how on earth she has got to the pin where she thinks this kind of behaviour is ok!!

DFOD · 22/10/2021 16:07

Sunlight is the best disinfectant

DeireadhFomhair · 23/10/2021 10:23

It's good others are starting to see her for what she is, your poor son - I think he's terrified of her!

workworkworkugh · 24/10/2021 09:51

Ok, this is a long one (when isn’t it!)
And I can hand on heart say this is all true. It’s honestly exhausting, it feels like we never get a break.

The day after I spoke to the school, the GF went to hospital for something or other (nothing major, she's fine), and it has since been listed as an exposure site so she now needs to isolate for 14 days (🙊)
I was empathetic and said I understood he’d be disappointed not seeing her on his birthday etc, but he now has two weeks to go out and have fun and she can’t do anything about it.

•DS went to best mates house Saturday night and of course shit hit the fan with GF. DS came home a bit tipsy which makes him chatty and we found out a few things.
•GF’s friend saw DS with his mates and one of their girlfriends, so they told GF.
GF has accused of him of cheating, said she knew he would do that and threatened to dump him then ignored him for the whole night.
•GF’s been talking to another boy about DS and her relationship and said she’d give all DS’s presents to this boy instead.
• DS is mad at her for accusing him. Like really mad.
He offered to speak to her friends to clarify but she threatened to dump him if he spoke to them.
•He admits no one, and he repeated NO ONE, likes her.
•DS said besides trying to clarify with GF he didn’t continue to message her but her DAD messaged DS and told him to ‘give GF space’ and ‘tomorrow’s a new day’ 🙄
•Her Dad apparently knows about the birthday messages and told DS ‘he understands where GF is coming from, of course she wants to see DS for his birthday’ (we weren’t trying to stop her).
The Dad also said maybe in the future me and GF could sit down together and work things out (not fucking likely)
•The Dad told DS that GF shouldn’t take things out on DS but basically has told DS to just let her go and give her space when she does and she’ll get over it.
DS said he really wanted to tell the Dad that he said that 8 months ago and nothing’s changed, she’s still doing it.
(I wish he had said that but I can understand why he felt uncomfortable doing so)
•DS admits that even though the DAD knows about the birthday messages and some other things, he wouldn’t actually know the whole truth as GF would have lied.

We’re hoping to god she isn’t allowed out of isolation early/before his birthday.
If not, DS has been invited to a party on Saturday night and he seems really excited about it.
We’ve been told we’re not allowed to say anything to the Mum/Dad as that makes his life harder.
We mentioned that the parents are complicit in the abuse of him.
He also said that she’d be a nightmare to him all week after this and we said the sad thing is, he’ll forgive her yet again.
We said, he’ll find his anger eventually and realise he doesn’t deserve to be treated like this.
You can see the wheels turning, he KNOWS, that’s the frustrating thing, but then he lets it blow over.

Phew, sorry for the essay.
I have missed out some details.

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Peridot1 · 24/10/2021 10:01

I’ve been following all of your threads.

She is one spoilt madam isn’t she?

Completely and utterly indulged by her useless parents. I can’t believe the parents get involved to the extent they do.

I’d be very tempted to contact the father and tell him to stay out of it and to stop putting additional pressure on DS. He has no right to do that. She is out of line and the parents piling in the pressure is ridiculous. I’d point out that she is abusing your DS and imagine the shoe was in the other foot. They really are unbelievable.

I wonder if your DS could look at this as a two week break? Fingers crossed she sticks to the isolation rules. I can imagine her parents giving in to her demands sadly.

thepiratequeen · 24/10/2021 10:18

OP stressful and all as it all must be for you. it does sound like he might be starting to see the light.
Hopefully he gets a few more nights out with his friends and he sees that he can be happy without her 🤞.

Toasty280 · 24/10/2021 11:02

I hope this is the being of the end for them and your son chooses to go his own way separate to her.

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