To not understand what the 'woke' brigade is?

[Ayla182]

Really confused about what it is

@Mysterian

"Woke" is just the new "politically correct".

People who like to say racist/homophobic/sexist/etc things use it when they're upset about being called out on being racist/homophobic/sexist/etc.

This is true!

When I’ve called out family members for sexist and racist comments I vaguely recall them saying that to me, which I laughed off as I’m as unwoke as they come, whatever being woke actually is I just don’t like racist, sexist name calling twats

Woke is just another insult said when someone has run out of argument.

Most people, when challenged as to what they mean by using "woke" have no idea what they mean by the word.
Bit like when they call someone "Snowflake"

ime the only people using the word Woke, are racist/sexist/tory/thick.

Disagree with the above, I think woke in it's original form was a good thing not it's become a bit of a parody of itself, it's performative.

*Woke" is just the new "politically correct".

People who like to say racist/homophobic/sexist/etc things use it when they're upset about being called out on being racist/homophobic/sexist/etc.*

I agree with this too. I don’t understand why they can’t just use the phrase ‘politically correct’? I suspect they think they sound clever but they don’t.

So a prime example of "wokeness" imo is one of my neighbours who is very active on our street whatsapp group & was very into preaching to the street about BLM etc, he ended up calling my direct neighbour racist. My direct neighbour is a wonderful black man (no identifying whatsapp photo) who grew up here and the other guy is a privately educated lawyer who paid 1m for his home. Who do we think knows more about racism? 🤔 He left the group 🤣

It's funny how after lots of people explain what is meant by woke when used negatively, the thread has dozens of excellent examples of the very attitude that's being described:
We are the right ones who are inclusive and anyone who says otherwise or challenges our very limited range of 'correct' opinions must be right wing / thick / racist / sexist / a Tory / a homophobe/ a bigot

The arrogance is both impressive and depressing at the same time.

I think it’s people who have a particular script and if anyone deviates from the acceptable script, they aren’t able to discuss their differences rationally (maybe even persuasively) but become very angry, lurch to extremes such as “no contact” or “cancelling” even where the other person is willing to have a sensible discussion. This is particularly but not exclusively seen on social media. It feels nice to be in the ‘in group’ so they are vitriolic to the ‘outgroup’.

I share many (not all) opinions with what might be labelled the ‘woke bridgade’ but I think the way in which some people go about expressing those views is totally counter productive and doesn’t lead to reasoned debate or the nuance that is usually needed for any matters of weight.

@wotchhha

So a prime example of "wokeness" imo is one of my neighbours who is very active on our street whatsapp group & was very into preaching to the street about BLM etc, he ended up calling my direct neighbour racist. My direct neighbour is a wonderful black man (no identifying whatsapp photo) who grew up here and the other guy is a privately educated lawyer who paid 1m for his home. Who do we think knows more about racism? 🤔 He left the group 🤣

I think this sums it up perfectly.

surfschool The Daily Mail use it and so do their readers. They also like calling people snowflakes for not getting their racist/sexist jokes.

I tend to agree with this. I've been called 'woke' and 'woke leftist' on our local facebook page. The first time was for objecting to an anti-Semitic 'joke' and the second time was for objecting to a cartoon about women smelling of fish. IMO calling someone 'woke' is a way of trying to make them STFU and is in the same category as 'boomer', 'snowflake', 'Karen' etc.

He also once said to me at a street party about loving immigrants (my parents are). They only things he asked me about was my experience as a 2nd gen immigrant, that was all he cared about. I reckon he went home & made badges or something!

Hmm ok so it seems people call themselves woke and label others
But woke people love labels...

It's the new name for the terminally offended, I believe.

BaileysforBreakfast
I think the issue is that people have a different threshold for using the insult, just like any insult.

For every daily mail reader who thinks it's political correctness gone mad, golliwog are just a cute characteer, all these woke kids hate their country, there's a huge number of reasonable centre ground people who want to have a progressive discussion of social issues without the extreme radical fringes yelling no debate, no platforming, being professionally offended and generally being obnoxiously arrogant and self-righteous, or as someone else said "so open minded their brains have fallen out".

As far as I can see, anyone who refuses to see the second point and confuses bigotry with differing opinions is probably exactly exactly type of person the second point point refers to.

LolaSmiles* For every daily mail reader ... there's a huge number of reasonable centre ground people who want to have a progressive discussion of social issues without the extreme radical fringes yelling no debate, no platforming, being professionally offended and generally being obnoxiously arrogant and self-righteous, or as someone else said "so open minded their brains have fallen out".
But the point is, the term 'woke' is not just used against the 'extreme radical fringes' who want to 'no platform' people etc. It's used an insult against anyone who calls out sexism/racism/ disagrees with Piers Morgan etc. I would be very much up for 'progressive discussions of social issues', but IMO the 'anti-woke' seem just as determined to stifle debate, using words like 'woke' to do so.

Well, it seems different people use it differently.

Some people use "woke" to shut others down.
Some people use "woke" to refer to others who like to shut others down.
Some people use "woke" to mean being aware of injustice and it isn't about anyone being shut down.

I mean, they're all true and can all exist simultaneously.

@BrumBoo

It a person who so 'right on' with social issues, they've lost all ability to use critical thinking skills. Have no ability to have an opinion beyond their very narrow viewpoint, and will shut down discussion if you make any valid point they cannot reasonably argue with.

A woke person tends to be in no way related to their cause, but are a faithful 'ally' (so usually straight and/or white, sad eyes about their privilege which they otherwiseuse to their full advantage). Often found to be causing more harm to a social cause than good. Usually a virtue signaller as well.

This! It’s the guy on Twitter who got the train conductor into trouble for saying ‘good morning, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls’ because the complainant was non-binary and didn’t feel the conductor was being inclusive. Even though they had written the same ‘ladies and gentlemen’ on their own tweets. Or Harry and Meghan lecturing us on how to live despite being utterly drenched in privilege and tone deaf.

but IMO the 'anti-woke' seem just as determined to stifle debate, using words like 'woke' to do so.

Again, I disagree. The term #NoDebate is from those considered 'woke'. They're also the ones who will shut down any opinions they disagree with by labeling a person a bigot or a racist without any evidence that person is so. It's already been shown on this thread. The quicker you throw out these heavy and damaging words, the quicker people disengage rather than face the consequences of being labelled prejudice. People are losing their jobs and more over these words being thrown out without justification, so who is stifling whom, exactly?

Think Puritan in the English civil war. Zealot but of a non and often anti religious mindset. Always right, but left leaning usually.

For those running a protest, they are useful idiots who will go out and get agitated and pay the price. Cannon fodder.

A woke person tends to be in no way related to their cause, but are a faithful 'ally' (so usually straight and/or white, sad eyes about their privilege which they otherwiseuse to their full advantage). Often found to be causing more harm to a social cause than good. Usually a virtue signaller as well.

Exactly!

@Ayla182

Can I ask what is politicall corectness :) I hope I am not being annoying!

You are being annoying with your faux naivety. Political Correctness is a term from the 80s was when casual racism and sexism were being challenged. Political Correctness 'gone mad' was when some thought others were taking it too far, eg positive discrimination.

'woke' is an American term which means to awake to micro and macro racial aggression. The 'woke brigade' are those who are bending over backwards to avoid any and all kinds of infractions and are leading a Stalineque type of purge on those they don't deem progressive enough. Eg no platforming those with different perspectives or viewpoints to their own.

See also 'snowflake'

@maskface212

If you’d read all the OP’s posts, you would have realised that English isn’t her first language, she comes from Turkey. Non native speakers would be very unlikely to know terms like ‘woke’ and politically correct’ .

[quote LizzieW1969]@maskface212

If you’d read all the OP’s posts, you would have realised that English isn’t her first language, she comes from Turkey. Non native speakers would be very unlikely to know terms like ‘woke’ and politically correct’ .[/quote]
If you were woke enough to the internet, you'd know that she can google these terms and find out for herself.

But what is wrong about asking on here? I honestly don’t get why it’s annoying or why it’s necessarily ‘faux-naivety’?

I didn’t know what ‘woke’ meant until last year when I saw it on MN.

For someone whose English is limited, reading explanations on Google is not necessarily all that easy. And if you look up ‘woke’ in a Turkish-English dictionary, you’d probably only find it translated as the past tense of ‘wake’.

@LizzieW1969

For someone whose English is limited, reading explanations on Google is not necessarily all that easy. And if you look up ‘woke’ in a Turkish-English dictionary, you’d probably only find it translated as the past tense of ‘wake’.

Stop trying to derail the thread.