You just cannot talk about Palestine on this forum

[Faffandahalf]

Why has the last thread been taken down with a ‘goady op’ message?
What’s so goady about asking why we can’t criticise the actions of Israel?
Don’t even give a shit this is a TAAT and will get zapped.

Palestine exists. Ethnic cleansing is happening. And every single thread gets taken down.

Only one person on that thread shouted anti semitism. Every one else was mostly in agreement about what is happening and it still gets zapped.

I’ll once again direct people to friends of al Aqsa on Instagram and Twitter in the hopes people see this and would like some real information.

Israel is an occupying oppressor committing genocide and the Palestinians are an oppressed people. There is no comparison in the force power and might of these two groups esp when one has the backing and funding of the US.

Seriously pissed at MN for refusing to allow truths to be told about the situation

I recently learned that ultra-orthodox Jews do not believe in Zionism or the establishment of the state of Israel, and oppose it.

Ok, but isn’t a big part of the problem the important Islamic and Jewish religious sites within Jerusalem? I thought it was.

And yet no criticism about China for human rights abuses in Tibet and destroying their entire culture. Are the Chinese not Jewish enough?
So many human rights abuses in the world and yet OP and others always focus on Israel.
So yes, it does feel anti Semitic.

Thanks for this post. Been praying for the Palestinian people for years that this would be over. Ashamed to live in a world that this is still happening.

Shame on you mumsnet for giving into the lobbying.

I think there has been a lot of criticism about human rights abuses around the world, it’s just that this thread is about a specific region.

@MyOctopusFeature.

Wow, what an insightful and original take on the situation. The UN should hire you, 👏 👏 👏

Sorry but I refuse to not describe things as they are because people don’t like it
Ethnic cleansing
Occupation
Slow suffocation genocide

I agree. One of Trumps last acts as President was to interfere too in Israel's' favour. Nobody is holding Israel to account.

I've been over there and the difference in lifestyle between Palestine and Israel is immense - the entitlement that the Israeli government has to control the whole area and 'cleanse' Palestinians out is diabolical. Shame on them.

@Sadsiblingatsea so should people not criticise Israel for their abuses of human rights because they happen to be Jewish? Do you not see how dangerous that rhetoric is?

'God' gave them the land??
Sounds like Manifest Destiny thinking that allowed settlers in America to eradicate native tribes.

Trouble is when people take literal meaning from ancient texts - scary fundamentalism whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim - where people think their 'rights' trumps everybody else's. Simple Fascism.

Sadsibling there has been plenty of criticism of China. I myself try to boycott Chinese products as much as possible because of the genocide against Uighurs. This is a thread about Israel and Palestine I suggest you go start one about China if you want to discuss it. You don't get to decide who cares about what.

And yet no criticism about China for human rights abuses in Tibet and destroying their entire culture. Are the Chinese not Jewish enough?

There is and has been plenty of that, plenty about injustices committed by British Empire, of British forces in NI, Brits in Australia, of Myanmar etc etc

Today we are talking about the Israeli Government - it's not and should not be immune from criticism. It should not be immune from prosecution either.

I can't believe this is happening again. I've still got the images of the blown up children in my head from 2014.

@Sadsiblingatsea
There are awful atrocities across the world, and they are being talked about- that is the point. I can criticise Chinese treatment of the Uighur muslims and their atrocities in Tibet and know I won't be blocked here. In fact I can pretty much guarantee that the govt and us as people are allowed to voice concern over many other government's poor policies and breaches of human rights without being silenced or gaslit or called anti-anything. So it is not about anyone being Jewish enough. Conflict is conflict, but my point is when someone like Netanyahu and Macron say that criticism of one govt means you hate an entire race you're putting people in a very very awkward position- you are providing one govt special treatment and in my opinion public figures and govt, no matter where in the world, cannot get special treatment if they breach human rights. All are accountable.

The Israeli govt gets a free pass for some reason and to some extent Saudi Arabia. The govt will not condemn any violence from these two countries. So social media is the only other platform people get to voice their concerns, and having posts deleted or accounts blocked make people even more angry so they'll focus on it more.

Seeing as this thread is about Israeli treatment of Palestinians I will hold back on the Saudi criticism.

www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

And yet no criticism about China for human rights abuses in Tibet and destroying their entire culture. Are the Chinese not Jewish enough?
So many human rights abuses in the world and yet OP and others always focus on Israel.
So yes, it does feel anti Semitic
Criticism of the Israeli state does not equal antisemitic.
The whataboutery here is strong.

@Sadsiblingatsea

And yet no criticism about China for human rights abuses in Tibet and destroying their entire culture. Are the Chinese not Jewish enough? So many human rights abuses in the world and yet OP and others always focus on Israel. So yes, it does feel anti Semitic.

Where in the world have you been, that you’ve missed all the muttering and criticisms and protests against the Chinese invasion of Tibet?? It’s been a mainstay of human rights campaigners for years.

As for the ‘god gave them the land’ arguments: @Greenmarmalade is right. If you read the religious texts from this region as historical artefacts, you realise that there is a long-standing general cultural habit in the Middle East of casting politics and disputes in religious terms. When did we in the west become so frightened of dealing with disputes? Britain used to have a solid reputation for diplomacy, once.

I am sick of the conflation of antisemitism with anti Israeli. One is a religion the other a government

Totally.
It's a well worn strategy to shut opposition up.

The Israeli Palestinian conflict is one of the most, if not the most, high profile outcome of the nasty fuck up that was the British Empire.

I don’t know what the answer is, but the British Empire has left a trail of utter chaos and destruction and should take responsibility for trying to fix it.

Apartheid, discrimination and crimes against humanity. The Israeli government wants maximum land with minimum Palestinians.

@Faffandahalf I 110% agree with you. What is happening over there is an absolute bloody disgrace.

Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the direct consequence of the nasty fuck up that was World War 2 and the Nazi Holocaust, combined with the earlier gradual decline into decadence and senescence of the Ottoman Empire. The British Empire is not the only power that has ever existed in that region, and IMO you insult all the peoples there in claiming so.

@Greenmarmalade

I recently learned that ultra-orthodox Jews do not believe in Zionism or the establishment of the state of Israel, and oppose it.

This is true. The protests that my OH has attended, there have been very brave orthodox Jewish men marching alongside him and speaking out.

The British empire decided it knew best and has its fingers in that particular pie after WWI.

The fallout from WWII domestically meant that the British did not pay enough attention to what was happening in Palestine and were slapdash in what followed.

@MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes

Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the direct consequence of the nasty fuck up that was World War 2 and the Nazi Holocaust, combined with the earlier gradual decline into decadence and senescence of the Ottoman Empire. The British Empire is not the only power that has ever existed in that region, and IMO you insult all the peoples there in claiming so.

Oh come on. The Brits fucked up royally and ran. It didn't have to be this way.

(See also: Kashmir)

So the multiple peoples of Palestine, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, the Kurdish territories, Iran, Turkey etc etc and all the big players of the region all have no autonomy or capability for decisions? Not to mention Israeli politicking itself. It has been 75 years since WW2 (think you’ll find American involvement). A lot has changed here on this isolated wet rock. At the centre of the world much changes every day.